New York: This is What “I’m Personally Opposed to Abortion, But” Gets You

 

From the New York State Catholic Conference Action Center:

In his recent Executive Budget proposal, Governor Andrew Cuomo included a radical bill that would expand late-term abortions in New York State. The language of this proposal is similar to past attempts, but goes even further by legalizing infanticide when a baby is born alive during an attempted abortion. The bill also would eliminate New York’s ban on late-term abortions, empower non-doctors to perform abortions, and remove protections against unwanted or coerced abortions.

This is horrific.

I would hope that any Ricochet members from New York will send a letter to your State Senator to oppose this horrific bill.

Mr. Cuomo claims to be a Catholic. That he not only supports abortion, but now infanticide, is incomprehensible. Where is his bishop on this? A “strongly worded statement” will not do. Disciplinary action by the bishop is the only way to start to turn the tide on these heretical catholic politicians.

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  1. RufusRJones Member
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    @columbo that video has not very much to do with what I’m talking about. I’m talking about taking political power away from planned Parenthood and the Democrats–they have tons of money and fixed operating expenses riding on that power.

    I’m also talking about the actual psychological consequences, which frequently turn into social consequences, of outlawing abortion. That’s why I like that heritage podcast, she’s talking about the individual and social consequences of the sexual revolution. That’s a far better way to analyze it if you ask me.

    ***edit***

    Planned Parenthood literally has abortion quotas. They can’t make it unless people screw up with birth control or promiscuity or whatever you want to call it. That is a problem.

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  2. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    The decision to abort past 24 weeks (which was already the law – 2nd trimester) can only be made when 1. there is a risk to the mother’s life

    Any reason your friend dropped “or health” from the explanation of the law?

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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    @columbo that video has not very much to do with what I’m talking about. I’m talking about taking political power away from planned Parenthood and the Democrats–they have tons of money and fixed operating expenses riding on that power.

    I’m also talking about the actual psychological consequences, which frequently turn into social consequences, of outlawing abortion. That’s why I like that heritage podcast, she’s talking about the individual and social consequences of the sexual revolution. That’s a far better way to analyze it if you ask me.

    ***edit***

    Planned Parenthood literally has abortion quotas. They can’t make it unless people screw up with birth control or promiscuity or whatever you want to call it. That is a problem.

    True. I responded to the wrong comment. Mine is more related to the subject of the OP and changing hearts and minds with persuasion, not coercion.

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  4. RufusRJones Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    @columbo that video has not very much to do with what I’m talking about. I’m talking about taking political power away from planned Parenthood and the Democrats–they have tons of money and fixed operating expenses riding on that power.

    I’m also talking about the actual psychological consequences, which frequently turn into social consequences, of outlawing abortion. That’s why I like that heritage podcast, she’s talking about the individual and social consequences of the sexual revolution. That’s a far better way to analyze it if you ask me.

    ***edit***

    Planned Parenthood literally has abortion quotas. They can’t make it unless people screw up with birth control or promiscuity or whatever you want to call it. That is a problem.

    True. I responded to the wrong comment. Mine is more related to the subject of the OP and changes hearts and minds with persuasion, not coercion.

    The way this needs to be done is, basically that video and a very frank discussion of how being irresponsible with sex and / or children really harms individuals and causes all kinds of social problems. It’s terrible. 

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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    The decision to abort past 24 weeks (which was already the law – 2nd trimester) can only be made when 1. there is a risk to the mother’s life

    Any reason your friend dropped “or health” from the explanation of the law?

    I noticed that too.

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    I must have posted that Heritage foundation thing on a different thread. It’s a recent Daily Signal podcast. That woman knows what she’s talking about.

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  7. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    I’ll add that the solution to this is always what it was: persuasion not coercion.

    Should we have said the same with slavery – just rely on persuasion to rid ourselves of that injustice?

    Persuading people who use terms like uterine passenger and fetus and reproductive health to try to mask the horror that abortion is has been tried for 46 years and we still face the holocaust of abortion. To say that a fetus is never the patient is absurd. My daughter is newly pregnant and she is making her first trip to a doctor this morning – because of the baby – it is both she and the baby who need proper healthcare. What is the reproduction in this case – a baby – and that baby needs healthcare.

    A Catholic politician like Cuomo is prime example number one of how the persuasion alone argument is futile. We’ve heard for years from the likes of Cardinal Dolan that priests and bishops have spoken to him to try to persuade him but that has not worked. He needs coercing by his bishops to see the error of his ways – unfortunately they seem to be too weak to do anything. I would love to see either Cardinal Dolan or Bishop Scharfenberger publicly denounce Cuomo, publicly state why he is threatening his salvation, and announce publicly the sacramental disciplines and canonical penalties (if any) that they will impose on him until he publicly repents.

    We were coerced into abortion with the dreadful Roe v. Wade decision. Abortion is the killing of a human being and I think it is time we start coercing abortion providers (not the mother) by putting strong legal penalties against them.

    I’m all for persuading hearts and mind, but in this battle against Satan and his minions, stronger tactics are needed.

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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):
    A Catholic politician like Cuomo is prime example number one of how the persuasion alone argument is futile. We’ve heard for years from the likes of Cardinal Dolan that priests and bishops have spoken to him to try to persuade him but that has not worked. He needs coercing by his bishops to see the error of his ways

    I doubt that Cuomo is a very devout Catholic.  If coercion were tried, he’d probably just leave the church.

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  9. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    I doubt that Cuomo is a very devout Catholic

    As James Delingpole often says: Obviously.

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  10. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):
    A Catholic politician like Cuomo is prime example number one of how the persuasion alone argument is futile. We’ve heard for years from the likes of Cardinal Dolan that priests and bishops have spoken to him to try to persuade him but that has not worked. He needs coercing by his bishops to see the error of his ways

    I doubt that Cuomo is a very devout Catholic. If coercion were tried, he’d probably just leave the church.

    He already has.

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  11. RufusRJones Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):
    A Catholic politician like Cuomo is prime example number one of how the persuasion alone argument is futile. We’ve heard for years from the likes of Cardinal Dolan that priests and bishops have spoken to him to try to persuade him but that has not worked. He needs coercing by his bishops to see the error of his ways

    I doubt that Cuomo is a very devout Catholic. If coercion were tried, he’d probably just leave the church.

     Thinking through the dynamics is an advantage. 

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):
    He already has.

    The dude is a freak. He’s clearly the politician the most resembles Mussolini. Zillions of Americans agree with that observation. NY is only about power dynamics. 

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