New York: This is What “I’m Personally Opposed to Abortion, But” Gets You

 

From the New York State Catholic Conference Action Center:

In his recent Executive Budget proposal, Governor Andrew Cuomo included a radical bill that would expand late-term abortions in New York State. The language of this proposal is similar to past attempts, but goes even further by legalizing infanticide when a baby is born alive during an attempted abortion. The bill also would eliminate New York’s ban on late-term abortions, empower non-doctors to perform abortions, and remove protections against unwanted or coerced abortions.

This is horrific.

I would hope that any Ricochet members from New York will send a letter to your State Senator to oppose this horrific bill.

Mr. Cuomo claims to be a Catholic. That he not only supports abortion, but now infanticide, is incomprehensible. Where is his bishop on this? A “strongly worded statement” will not do. Disciplinary action by the bishop is the only way to start to turn the tide on these heretical catholic politicians.

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  1. Spin Inactive
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    Seems like a bunch of mullarkey to me.

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  2. TheSockMonkey Inactive
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    Bloodthirsty.

    “A woman’s right to kill,” eh? I’d like to see a source for that. At least it’s more honest than a “right to choose.”

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  3. Larry3435 Inactive
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    Who knew that you could legalize infanticide with a budget proposal?  Or is there maybe something a little bit unlikely about this whole story?

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  4. Mate De Inactive
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    The abortion position is becoming more and more depraved. Remember safe, legal and rare.  Is this because the pro-life movement is gaining power? I would say that the vast majority of Americans are not for allowing a baby that has been born after a botched abortion to die. Although I know Obama voted for this when he was a state senator in Illinois. Also, most Americans are not for late term abortions, but why this radical push for infanticide? Has this always been the case for the pro-abortionist, or is the mask finally off?

     

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    If you don’t like infanticide, don’t kill your child.

    If you don’t like school shootings, don’t go shooting up your kids’ school.

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  6. Ralphie Inactive
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    Abortion does not seem like a right, but an option. It can be legal or illegal, but I don’t think a right is the proper term, myself.

    Getting an abortion is the only time in your life you can get rid of someone because they are not wanted.

    I don’t know why the church is afraid to bounce politicians that wear the mantle of the church, then betray her.  If people want this, they can vote for polticians that are affiliated with a religion, or without one, that embrace abortion.

    This is an example of Hayek’s why the worse get to the top. They don’t see a problem compromising values.

     

     

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  7. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Larry3435 (View Comment):
    Who knew that you could legalize infanticide with a budget proposal? Or is there maybe something a little bit unlikely about this whole story?

    You can read more about it here. There doesn’t seem to be anything unlikely about it at all to me.

    http://www.nyscatholic.org/2018/01/budget-bill-s-7511-a-9511-in-relation-to-late-term-abortion-expansion-part-b-in-the-womens-agenda-article-vii-bill/

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  8. TheSockMonkey Inactive
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    Ralphie (View Comment):
    Getting an abortion is the only time in your life you can get rid of someone because they are not wanted.

    Yes. If I am attacked by an illegal alien Islamic terrorist with a sword, who has “kill the infidel” tattooed across his chest, I still have to answer to John Law for why I shot him to death, in a split-second of fear and panic.

    But if you’re a woman that has a few months to debate whether to kill your own kid, who poses no threat to you – no questions asked.

    Makes sense, right?

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  9. Larry3435 Inactive
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Larry3435 (View Comment):
    Who knew that you could legalize infanticide with a budget proposal? Or is there maybe something a little bit unlikely about this whole story?

    You can read more about it here. There doesn’t seem to be anything unlikely about it at all to me.

    http://www.nyscatholic.org/2018/01/budget-bill-s-7511-a-9511-in-relation-to-late-term-abortion-expansion-part-b-in-the-womens-agenda-article-vii-bill/

    I took a quick look at the bill.  It is pretty dense, and it repealed a lot of statutes which I did not track down to find out what they said.  But it did not seem to do any of the things that the Catholic account claimed.  For example, it did not authorize non-doctors to “perform abortions.”  It did authorize clinical nurses and midwives to prescribe the “morning after” pill.  I guess if you’re the Catholic church there is no difference there, but it is different to my mind and I think to call giving that prescription “performing abortions” is pretty misleading.

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  10. Columbo Inactive
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    democrats boo God and truly are the Party of the Culture of Death.

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  11. Larry Koler Inactive
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    This is an expression of contempt for people in this country, isn’t it? The left loves to flex its muscles and they do run this country. Mark Steyn says that the totalitarian impulse is so insidious that it makes Chinese family members pay for the bullet that was used to end their loved one’s life. And the Kangaroo courts of all types like to lord it over you by making you confess (by threatening your family, usually) publicly to something you didn’t do. It is to drive home who is in charge. This is what is meant by power corrupting absolutely.

    Let’s face it: this is not a country run by the people who live here. We are subjects to the leftists who hold all the high ground in our country.

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  12. Henry Racette Member
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    I can’t speak to the veracity of this particular set of tweets (incidentally, I kind of hate tweets), but it seems worth pointing out that ex-President Obama (and incidentally, I kind of love typing that) made a name for himself — or would have, if the press had actually reported it — while an Illinois state senator, by opposing (repeatedly) legislation that would have protected the life of a child who accidentally survived an abortion attempt. As I recall, he stood alone in his opposition to it, though I could be mistaken on that detail; certainly, he was conspicuous in defending the “right” of the accidentally-born to die.

    Anyway. Ex-president. Ex.

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    Larry3435 (View Comment):
    the “morning after” pill

    This is not an abortifacient, BTW.

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  14. CarolJoy Coolidge
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    Mate De (View Comment):
    The abortion position is becoming more and more depraved. Remember safe, legal and rare. Is this because the pro-life movement is gaining power? I would say that the vast majority of Americans are NOT for allowing a baby that has been born after a botched abortion to die. Although I know Obama voted for this when he was a state senator in Illinois. Also, most Americans are NOT for late term abortions, but why this radical push for infanticide? Has this always been the case for the pro-abortionist, or is the mask finally off?

    Over about a span of 10 to 12 years, I talked to 15 women who had late term abortions. All of them had been through such pressure by doctors that they felt they had no choice. None of those late term abortions were about a baby that was already dead in the womb. What it came down to was that it was more convenient and less expensive for America’s doctors and hospitals to do a late term abortion than to allow the deformed babe to make its way into the arms of its parents and then die later on. (Be that a week or two weeks later.)

    One couple I knew actually got a midwife and had their baby delivered by her. The baby boy was hydroencephaletic. I am forgetting the reason, but they had to keep his head covered in little baby knit caps. They took many photos of the baby, and he had this wonderful smile on his face. Pure love. He didn’t live past day 20 or so, but the whole family felt his birth had been a blessing.

    The women who underwent the late term abortions all had an element of repressed grief in their personal energy. They all had been told that what they did was for the best. But you could tell it had not been for the best.

    This is on the doctors and hospitals, it really is. One friend of my husband’s, she was a devout Catholic and she had been told to terminate her pregnancy at the four month mark. There were “massive abnormalities” indicated  in the ultra sound. She was finally totally convinced that the doctors knew best, that her health would be impaired if she didn’t do this, etc.

    Long story short, a relative got sick. She went back to So America to care for them. She forgot all about the abortion dilemma, until the day her labor pains began. The baby was born, alive and in perfect condition. Her third son. An absolute joy to her family every single minute. And the “abnormalities” were apparently uterine scar tissue the machine had registered, even though nothing was wrong with the fetus. (No doctor ever asked her if she had had uterine surgery prior to the pregnancy, which was what caused the scars the machine read as birth defects.)

     

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  15. RufusRJones Member
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    We pay to abort FICA slaves that pay for Democrat stupidity like Medicare and Social Security. Great system.

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  16. Scott Wilmot Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Larry3435 (View Comment):
    the “morning after” pill

    This is not an abortifacient, BTW.

    I beg to differ.

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  17. Columbo Inactive
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I can’t speak to the veracity of this particular set of tweets (incidentally, I kind of hate tweets), but it seems worth pointing out that ex-President Obama (and incidentally, I kind of love typing that) made a name for himself — or would have, if the press had actually reported it — while an Illinois state senator, by opposing (repeatedly) legislation that would have protected the life of a child who accidentally survived an abortion attempt. As I recall, he stood alone in his opposition to it, though I could be mistaken on that detail; certainly, he was conspicuous in defending the “right” of the accidentally-born to die.

    Anyway. Ex-president. Ex.

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  18. Fred Cole Inactive
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    There’s push back against this already. I’ve seen billboards in Albany about it already.

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  19. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    There’s push back against this already. I’ve seen billboards in Albany about it already.

    Praise God.

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  20. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Larry3435 (View Comment):
    but it is different to my mind and I think to call giving that prescription “performing abortions” is pretty misleading.

    Is it also misleading to call doctors who prescribe lethal drugs to the terminally ill as “performing euthanasia”?

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  21. RufusRJones Member
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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Larry3435 (View Comment):
    but it is different to my mind and I think to call giving that prescription “performing abortions” is pretty misleading.

    Is it also misleading to call doctors who prescribe lethal drugs to the terminally ill as “performing euthanasia”?

    So you say the Plan B Pill is an abortifacient?

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  22. RufusRJones Member
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    Personally I think all of the GOP legal threats about abortion just drive all of it to Planned Parenthood. This drives up their fixed overhead. Swell. Now they have to do more abortions. Then they have more money to give to K Street. Just my opinion.

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  23. Judithann Campbell Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Personally I think all of the GOP legal threats about abortion just drive all of it to Planned Parenthood. This drives up their fixed overhead. Swell. Now they have to do more abortions. Then they have more money to give to K Street. Just my opinion.

    If it weren’t for pro-lifers, things would be much worse; the abortion industry would like to force all doctors and nurses to take part in abortions, for instance, and they would were it not for pro-life republicans standing in their way. That is just one example; the fact that it is even still a debate in America, and pro-lifers seem to be gaining ground, is a sign of success. In most of Europe, abortion isn’t even debated. It is just accepted without question.

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  24. Basil Fawlty Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Larry3435 (View Comment):
    but it is different to my mind and I think to call giving that prescription “performing abortions” is pretty misleading.

    Is it also misleading to call doctors who prescribe lethal drugs to the terminally ill as “performing euthanasia”?

    So you say the Plan B Pill is an abortifacient?

    It can be. See the link at #16.

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  25. RufusRJones Member
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    Judithann Campbell (View Comment):
    the abortion industry

    Who is this, or who has this ever been, besides PP? I seriously don’t know anything about this.

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  26. Judithann Campbell Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Judithann Campbell (View Comment):
    the abortion industry

    Who is this, or who has this ever been, besides PP? I seriously don’t know anything about this.

    Well, it’s anybody who makes money off of abortion, but yes, it’s mostly planned parenthood.

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  27. RufusRJones Member
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    Judithann Campbell (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Judithann Campbell (View Comment):
    the abortion industry

    Who is this, or who has this ever been, besides PP? I seriously don’t know anything about this.

    Well, it’s anybody who makes money off of abortion, but yes, it’s mostly planned parenthood.

    See, if its was just done by OBGYNs and not a place dedicated (face it that is the real, bottom line problem with PP) to abortion, they don’t have to drive abortion business to cover their costs. They don’t have the power to hijack the Democrat party and concentrate that power with K Street.

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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Judithann Campbell (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Judithann Campbell (View Comment):
    the abortion industry

    Who is this, or who has this ever been, besides PP? I seriously don’t know anything about this.

    Well, it’s anybody who makes money off of abortion, but yes, it’s mostly planned parenthood.

    See, if its was just done by OBGYNs and not a place dedicated (face it that is the real, bottom line problem with PP) to abortion, they don’t have to drive abortion business to cover their costs. They don’t have the power to hijack the Democrat party and concentrate that power with K Street.

    Most OBGYNs want nothing to do with abortion; there is actually a real “problem” in that a lot of abortionists are aging out, and they aren’t being replaced. Younger doctors are even less likely to want to do abortions than older ones were.

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  29. Basil Fawlty Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Judithann Campbell (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Judithann Campbell (View Comment):
    the abortion industry

    Who is this, or who has this ever been, besides PP? I seriously don’t know anything about this.

    Well, it’s anybody who makes money off of abortion, but yes, it’s mostly planned parenthood.

    See, if its was just done by OBGYNs and not a place dedicated (face it that is the real, bottom line problem with PP) to abortion, they don’t have to drive abortion business to cover their costs. They don’t have the power to hijack the Democrat party and concentrate that power with K Street.

    Abortion is wrong, whether it’s performed in a PP abortion mill or in the office of a private Ob-Gyn. And it makes money for both.

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  30. RufusRJones Member
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    Judithann Campbell (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Judithann Campbell (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Judithann Campbell (View Comment):
    the abortion industry

    Who is this, or who has this ever been, besides PP? I seriously don’t know anything about this.

    Well, it’s anybody who makes money off of abortion, but yes, it’s mostly planned parenthood.

    See, if its was just done by OBGYNs and not a place dedicated (face it that is the real, bottom line problem with PP) to abortion, they don’t have to drive abortion business to cover their costs. They don’t have the power to hijack the Democrat party and concentrate that power with K Street.

    Most OBGYNs want nothing to do with abortion; there is actually a real “problem” in that a lot of abortionists are aging out, and they aren’t being replaced. Younger doctors are even less likely to want to do abortions than older ones were.

    Fine, I don’t think that disproves my point, and believe me I’m open to it. The salaries they take out of PP are crazy. Think of the K Street bills.

     

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