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New York: This is What “I’m Personally Opposed to Abortion, But” Gets You
Gov. Cuomo's Executive Budget Proposal expands abortion coverage to legalize infanticide if an infant survives the abortion attempt. (Catherine MacKinnon posited women's "right to kill" as crucial for equality.) https://t.co/Ab8KW3tt2m
— Maureen Mullarkey (@mmletters) March 16, 2018
From the New York State Catholic Conference Action Center:
In his recent Executive Budget proposal, Governor Andrew Cuomo included a radical bill that would expand late-term abortions in New York State. The language of this proposal is similar to past attempts, but goes even further by legalizing infanticide when a baby is born alive during an attempted abortion. The bill also would eliminate New York’s ban on late-term abortions, empower non-doctors to perform abortions, and remove protections against unwanted or coerced abortions.
This is horrific.
I would hope that any Ricochet members from New York will send a letter to your State Senator to oppose this horrific bill.
Mr. Cuomo claims to be a Catholic. That he not only supports abortion, but now infanticide, is incomprehensible. Where is his bishop on this? A “strongly worded statement” will not do. Disciplinary action by the bishop is the only way to start to turn the tide on these heretical catholic politicians.
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That is 100% true.
A banana republic is the natural order of things, I’m convinced now.
It takes a lot of work to avoid it, and we ain’t working very hard.
Cuomo needs to be ex-communicated – His Italian ancestors are probably rolling in their graves – There is something wrong with him, and it is seriously sad that his church is not calling him out on this, and at the very least, counseling him on his grave errors, for his soul’s sake – he has further opened a door to evil.
I think it was Andrew Klavan who said that anything before “but” doesn’t count.
I hate it when ^ that ^ happens….
Sidenote: home many people do you know who said to you after Obama was elected “I can’t believe he is so bad on abortion!” It’s been a half a dozen or so for me. I say “That was his only legislative record prior to running….
There is something to be said for thinking for yourself.
This is what removed my blinders on Obama. How much must he have cared to fail to maintain his empty slate by voting for *this*?
Look what has happened to the culture and social behavior in the last 50 years, as legislatures and the culture-drivers on the left continue to chip away, bit by bit.
Mario Cuomo’s “personally opposed” ethical principles are a far cry from Andrew Cuomo’s principles of political self-preservation.
From what I’ve read, New York law still says that you can’t do an abortion after 24 weeks unless the mother’s life is in danger–which is why Jennifer Morbelli (also catholic) went to LeRoy Carhart in Maryland for the 33-week abortion that cost her and her daughter their lives. Cuomo is couching this as bringing NY law into line with Federal law. He’s been trying to do this legisatively since at least 2013.
I don’t understand. She didn’t go to Mexico, she went to a US liberal state.
How would NY having this law save her life? Because only NY cares about NYers?
Scott,
It is hard to imagine the amoral ideologue lunatic that would suggest this. Much less a senior politician of a major political party that would endorse it.
I am not Catholic. I am an Orthodox Jew. My reading of Orthodox Halachah requires me to posit a period of 40 days after conception when the possible pregnancy can be ended. This is viewed as an indeterminate period. After that, it is clear that Jewish Orthodox Law recognizes an existing human life and does not support any form of abortion other than in the literal case when the woman would die as a result of the continued pregnancy. This has always been justified only by the principle of “self-defense”.
From my perspective, the difference between Jewish Orthodox Law and Catholic Doctrine is much smaller than the huge area of agreement. How we could have reached the point at which the above amoral (really anti-moral) legal remedies could be even suggested, I don’t know. I am sure you understand the internal politics of Catholicism better than I. I can only tell you that both the content and the attitude of this “suggestion” from Cuomo is repulsive.
Regards,
Jim
It doesn’t have anything to do with her life, but solely with the fact that due to her inability to have the abortion in New York State, she traveled to Carhart, who allegedly was a safe, experienced practitioner, a few notches above a Kermit Gosnell.
Still doesn’t compute. It’s legal in MA, right?
The morning-after pill does not prevent conception, as by definition conception has already occured. According to the AHFS reference on medications, it is not known how high dose estrogens and progesterone analogs prevents pregnancy. It is not able to prevent pregnancy after a short window passes. The theory I have heard most is that it prevents implantation of the zygote.
If you hold that life begins at conception, as is Catholic teaching, the morning-after pill is equivalent to a very early abortion. I do not believe this, but it is useless to argue this when Catholic teaching is clear. Think of it like how you revere the words of von Mises.
Fair enough.
PP abortion quotas
Satan wins the battle.
Safe, legal, and rare was a lie.
Abortion is the Left’s (un)holiest sacrament.
The other thing that’s interesting about this is, you literally can’t pay for Medicare, socialized medicine, and social security with the birthrates we’ve had since the pill and abortion.
For a time period of around 20 years, I encountered 17 women who had had a late term abortion. All had been talked into it due to an ultrasound that revealed the fetus they were carrying would produce a child with hydroencelephapy (Spelling?) They were told that the baby would die soon after birth.
I can’t explain how tortured these women were. I have known women who had still births. Yes, there was grief that never went away. On no level did they believe with overwhelming intensity that they had caused the baby to die.
These poor women had a sense of guilt.
One woman stood out from this crowd. She had been raised Catholic in Argentina. She fully expected to have at least three children. By the time she was pregnant with her third child, she had lived here for ten years.
She got some bad news. Her doctor told her that she must submit to an abortion, as the fetus was not viable and that it would be wrong to bring such a hugely deformed baby into the world.
She was beside herself over this decision. In the midst of inner turmoil, she heard her grandmother in Argentina was ill and needed her there. She booked a plane ticket for her home country. She was so caught up in seeing to her grand mother that soon she lost track of time. One day she realized her delivery date was a week or two away.
On her due date, she went into labor. A healthy perfect baby boy was born. All his fingers and toes were there, and everything else as well.
Doctors in Argentina said that her uterus was surrounded by scar tissue, from an operation that had removed uterine fibroids years before. She at no time had an unhealthy child in her tummy. It made me wonder how many other women have been led into a late term abortion, by unrelenting doctors who are not guided by God’s law or imagination and concern.
However with the many factors causing people to die earlier and earlier of cancer and immune disorders like ALS, it might not matter. You don’t need Social Security when you are dead.
Researchers whose work has been suppressed have tried to show us that constantly being bombarded with microwave frequencies so we can use cell phones or watch movies will induce wide spread infertility a generation from now.
Shades of the doctor (can’t remember his name) in Heinlein’s Waldo.
This goes with my comment #78 for those that are interested.
When these guys say “inflation” they mean asset inflation as well.
The decline of the family from these bad polices puts more stress on the welfare state both from not producing enough productive taxpayers to fund it, and shoving more people into it. It’s insane. If you don’t look at it this way, everything will just get worse.
Eight years after they started Medicare they knew screwed up, but they never adjusted at all. Then we vote for more of the same, over and over.
Your mention of Heinlein’s Waldo works in two ways – one, Waldo Farthingwaite-Jones was born a weakling, and the doctor who delivered him did so despite the fact that it was known that this baby was deformed. (IIRC, the society Heinlein created for the tale was not into having such a baby actually being allowed to live. But it has been a while, so that may be wrong.)
Then there is the fact that radiation, although not non ionizing from microwaves but rather thermal, ionizing radiation as from atomic testing, also comes into play.
Won’t say more than that, as my memory of the tale is not that fresh and also I hate spoilers.
And yet the debt accumulating Ponzi scheme aspect of the various social programs like MediCare and Social Security can, the experts assure us, be mitigated by societies allowing in massive numbers of new immigrants, who being so much younger than the other members of society, will then prop up the system.
This was supposed to be why during the 1990’s, we were to accept the economic refugees from south of the border after Bill Clinton’s inflationary 20 billion dollar hand over to Mexican bankers and also NAFTA propelled Mexican workers to come here. Alas, they consume roughly 30% more in social costs than they pay in taxes. Then many eventually bring their parents over, who are usually soon after their arrival the new recipients of MediCare and Social Security programs themselves. (MediCare merely stipulates that a person must have been in this country for ten years, and worked and paid into MediCare for five, in order for any individual to become a recipient of M/C benefits.)
Since the NY ruling, a FB friend of mine put up this very concerning post to the effect that the organs of a fetus terminated at five months do not hold half the monetary value to the medical establishment as the organs of an almost fully developed 8 or 9 month old fetus.
Word limit on posts didn’t allow me to express how even the woman mentioned as turning away from the doctor’s insistence she abort her supposed deformed fetus has never blamed women who choose otherwise. Rather she blames the doctors. She was raised Catholic, and she wanted this baby badly, but her ob/gyn guy was continually calling her at night to insist that she not carry the baby to term. She is positive if not for the somewhat miraculous intervention posed by her grandmother needing her to return to Argentina and away from American doctors, that her doctor would have pressured her to go the same route as other women did. And instead of having a child she cherishes, she would be carrying the grief and guilt that the other women do carry. (Though they hide it well, till the subject is brought up.)
This comes from a friend of mine:
The emphasis is mine.
I’ll add that the solution to this is always what it was: persuasion not coercion. We’re talking about New York here, not Oklahoma. There’s a long history of liberal abortion laws.
If you want to prevent abortion in New York, the way to do that is not through legislative attempts to ban things. The way to do that is to persuade people not get abortions and present them with alternatives.
Yes, I know this already happens. I just want to reemphasize once again that the way to achieve your goals is, as always, through persuasion, not government coercion.
I have explained in detail on this forum, twice, why this is comprehensively true. That is just the nature of what has happened since Roe versus Wade. The politics and the power around all of this stuff has changed too much.
Having said that I’ve heard this law just gives discretion to doctors for any reason they want. I’m not going to get into a big argument about it.
This is true, and there is science to back it up. They know that attachment issues are an issue in the third trimester. If the mother resents the pregnancy the kid could end up with big psychological problems. The time from the third trimester to age 3 frequently makes or breaks this babies life in that sense. Stability and love during that time is just huge.
I posted a discussion that covers this stuff on Heritage Foundation podcast above. She covers it from a different angle, but it’s the same thing and she’s right. Everyone always leaves this out of the equation and it’s a huge mistake.
The Left doesn’t listen. They put their fingers in their ears and they yell la, la, la to drown out reason.
They say that they love “Science” and that the neanderthal conservatives hate it. Nah, baby nah.
Let’s have some of that science on this subject. Here is a NASA scientist to literally visualize it for us …