This Will Not End Well

 

Julius Malema, leader of South Africa’s Economic Freedom Fighters party.

Do you pay much attention to events in Africa? Me neither. It appears, however, that South Africa is determined to head down the same bloody path as Zimbabwe – that of radical Land Reform and racial retribution.

On February 27, the South African parliament voted 243-81 to begin the process of amending the country’s constitution to allow for confiscation of white-owned land without compensation. The motion was put forward by the Marxist party — the Economic Freedom Fighters — and supported by the ruling African National Congress (ANC) party and the new president Cyril Ramaphosa (who just took office on February 18). This is bad news, not just for the white landowners but also for ordinary South African citizens and especially the poor (of which there will be more if this policy is implemented). It is also bad news for the entire African continent as South Africa is one of the few African nations with anything resembling a modern economy.

Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia) gained its independence in 1980 and, to date, that first day of independence was probably the high-water mark for the nation. It quickly became a one-party nation run by the far-left Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU) and its demagogic leader Robert Mugabe. Early on, he implemented a toxic blend of statist economic policies, racial resentment and retribution, and government corruption, culminating in the confiscation of white-owned property.

In 1973, the per capita GDP of Rhodesia was $1,432 which has fallen to $1,081 as of 2017. I’ve included a couple of graphs which illustrate this economic decline but economic statistics tell only part of the story. In recent years, Zimbabwe has experienced epidemics of diseases such as cholera (not to mention malaria and plague) which have long since been brought under control in the developed world.

This 2005 article by New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof describes how ordinary black Zimbabweans wish they could get back the white, racist government that had oppressed them prior to 1980 in order that they and their families might have enough food to live and survive. Life expectancy in Zimbabwe, which peaked shortly after the 1980 independence at 60.97 years (men & women combined) fell precipitously to a low of 44.06 years in 2002, although thankfully it has begun to rise in the last few years.

The first graph shows the GDP per capita for South Africa, Zimbabwe, and several other African nations from 1960 to 2012 as a percentage of the world average GDP per capita. The second graph compares the GDP per capita of Zimbabwe to other sub-Saharan countries from 1980-2014 with certain recent eras of Zimbabwe color-coded (pink = Land Reform, grey = Hyperinflation, light blue = government of national unity).

It seems that South Africa, under the leadership of Nelson Mandela, has been able to avoid the sort of racial acrimony experienced in Zimbabwe upon the end of the archaic and evil apartheid system and the start of majority rule. Unfortunately, it looks as if that will not remain the case. There are few worse policies any nation can pursue than to murder and/or run off its most productive citizens but that appears to be the path that South Africa is set to embark upon. This article provides a much more knowledgeable take on the situation than I could.

I came across this story on the Instapundit website a couple of days ago and since then I’ve been searching without much success for articles about this in the US press. That is disturbing to me because this seems like a very big deal.

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  1. Kozak Member
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Al Sparks (View Comment):
    If I had been a white man in South Africa, I would have picked up and left a long time ago. A good ten years ago.

    I know some South Africans. You basically have to decide to leave everything behind . My wife’s friend goes back periodically and tries to convert her remaining assets in SA to jewelry that she then wears out of the country.

    Jews leaving Nazi Germany had a similar problem.

    Yeah. And look at how many didn’t leave.  People just won’t believe it’s happening until too late…

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  2. Kozak Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    In all seriousness, should we grant white farmers status as refugees? They speak English, understand democracy and will advocate for robust property rights. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of downside to letting them in.

    They aren’t likely to vote Democratic, so they are a no go…

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  3. Cato Rand Inactive
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    Sad, but probably inevitable.  The Achilles Heel of democracy is the fact that the majority can vote itself the property of the minority.  That can work ok for a while under the right conditions, but it’s got an inherent instability built into it and it tends to be a one way ratchet such that, even if it starts out modest enough to not be totally dysfunctional, it will tend to become very destructive over time.

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  4. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    I posted this to my personal FB feed and had several friends say it was ok, cause of Colonialism.

    I replied I am sure that will be great comfort to them, when they are starving to death and freezing in the dark.

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  5. La Tapada Member
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    I read an article that concluded that the South African government is doing this to distract people from how badly the government has been managing the country. That’s probably exactly the case.

    And it’s not just taking property away from people; it’s putting the farms into the hands of people who don’t have a business or farming mindset, so the farms stop producing well or at all.

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  6. Mike LaRoche Inactive
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    This is the end of the only remaining modern civilization in Africa south of the Sahara.

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  7. tigerlily Member
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    La Tapada (View Comment):
    I read an article that concluded that the South African government is doing this to distract people from how badly the government has been managing the country. That’s probably exactly the case.

    Yes, I think there’s a lot of truth to that assertion, at least on the part of the ANC. The Economic Freedom Fighter party is a different story – they’re all hardcore marxists. I’ve read that the ANC is extremely unpopular with the typical black South African for at least two reasons – 1) the economy sucks, and 2) it’s also a one-party state (the ANC) and every ANC president since Mandela has been a perpetual  scandal machine – mostly involving various forms of personal enrichment and public corruption.

     

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  8. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    I hate to say this, lest I be accused of defending an unjust system, but fear of exactly this sort of thing is why Apartheid lasted as long as it did. The end of Apartheid came about not because of an awakening on the part of whites, but on the part of blacks. It was Nelson Mandela’s renunciation of his (and, by proxy, his party’s) revolutionary past, and his credible assurance that a majority black government would not pose a threat to the safety of whites that allowed integration to gain support among the white population. That this is happening approximately five years after his death is probably not a coincidence.

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  9. Larry3435 Inactive
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):
    If I had been a white man in South Africa, I would have picked up and left a long time ago. A good ten years ago. I can feel sorry for the whites in South Africa, but in the end, they let events overtake them. It’s their foolishness.

    I had some South African friends in the mid-1980’s.  They had come to the US, leaving everything they owned behind.  Those were the rules back then.  The government would not let people take their belongings and flee.  If you left, you did it as a pretend-tourist, and you did it with the clothes on your back.  I don’t know how things were ten years ago, but it is hard to believe they had gotten any better.

    That doesn’t make your suggestion any less sensible, Al.  When my grandfather fled Germany for Paris in 1930, I think similar sacrifice was involved.  And, perhaps, again when he fled France for Palestine a few years later.  And then again to make his way to Chicago.  All in all, those sacrifices seem pretty much preferable to staying around for the holocaust.  Most of my family didn’t make the same sacrifices, and they mostly died.  But I recognize that it takes real courage to leave everything you know and everything you have earned and built, and run for your life.  I have great admiration for anyone with that kind of courage.  And, thanks Gramps!

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  10. Mike H Inactive
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    Democracy can be a bitch. Even in the US, both sides of the spectrum are taking anti-market/unethical action.

    It’s interesting how when you’re looking at a much lower income country far away like South Africa, suddenly the elites can look like they have a point.

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  11. Israel P. Inactive
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Maybe Wakanda can grant the white farmers vibranium.

    In all seriousness, should we grant white farmers status as refugees? They speak English, understand democracy and will advocate for robust property rights. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of downside to letting them in.

    And they are Africans!

    When the left says that they are not real Africans, it will (again) show the left as the racists they are. (Color of their skin, content of their character, etc etc)

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  12. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Mike LaRoche (View Comment):
    This is the end of the only remaining modern civilization in Africa south of the Sahara.

    I hear Namibia is still doing well.

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  13. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):
    I hate to say this, lest I be accused of defending an unjust system, but fear of exactly this sort of thing is why Apartheid lasted as long as it did. The end of Apartheid came about not because of an awakening on the part of whites, but on the part of blacks. It was Nelson Mandela’s renunciation of his (and, by proxy, his party’s) revolutionary past, and his credible assurance that a majority black government would not pose a threat to the safety of whites that allowed integration to gain support among the white population. That this is happening approximately five years after his death is probably not a coincidence.

    It’s war the war is so brutal in Syria. The Alawites rightly fear being slaughtered in masse if they give up their domination. In tribal societies it is usually dominate or be dominated.

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  14. Judge Mental Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    In all seriousness, should we grant white farmers status as refugees? They speak English, understand democracy and will advocate for robust property rights. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of downside to letting them in.

    There are 400,000 white in camps right now because of other new laws that prevent them from working.  (White are 8% of the population, therefore no company can employ more then 8% white.)  In addition to killing off the people who grow the food, they’ve also fired the people who know how to keep things running, which is why Capetown is about to run out of fresh water.

    I would let them all in as refugees.  Not only for your reasons, but because it would drive the left insane and that’s always fun.

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  15. Judge Mental Member
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    But here’s what this really makes me think about:

    Bill Clinton, ~1993: “By 2050 white people will no longer be a majority in this country.  Isn’t that great.”

    Listen to the black students at Evergreen, or their professors advocating for white genocide and tell me why to expect anything different here.

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  16. Al Sparks Coolidge
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):
    But here’s what this really makes me think about:

    Bill Clinton, ~1993: “By 2050 white people will no longer be a majority in this country. Isn’t that great.”

    Listen to the black students at Evergreen, or their professors advocating for white genocide and tell me why to expect anything different here.

    A couple of points.  Even as whites become a plurality, it’s very doubtful that whites will consist of 8 percent of the country.  Also, it’s doubtful that blacks will dominate, as there are lots of hispanics in the country as well.

    But, and I’m looking at a future of maybe 75 to 100 years from now, if there is as much racial animous towards whites that you’re predicting, and who knows how much mixed racial marriages will play into all this, then the country, which is much larger than South Africa will break up.

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  17. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Here’s part of an excellent article on the SA situation by SA expat (former combat soldier, former anti-apartheid militant) and now U.S. citizen Peter Grant. He blogs at Bayou Renaissance Man, and in general is well worth reading.

    …commenters here in the USA… appear to regard this as a simple black-versus-white issue.  They exhibit little or no knowledge of the history of land confiscation in South Africa – particularly the fact that most white-owned farmland in that country was, in fact, confiscated from the black tribes who formerly lived there.

    • In some (but by no means all) cases, those tribes had already been driven from their homes by intertribal conflict (particularly the period of the Mfecane, the genocidal tribal wars from about 1815 to 1840 that depopulated large parts of southern Africa).  However, the survivors always regarded their tribal territories as their own.  Unfortunately, when they returned, they often found that Boer “Voortrekkers” had moved into the area and now claimed it for themselves.  The tribes became, in Boer eyes, “squatters“;  but to the tribes, it was the Boers who were squatters.
    • In other cases, black tribes were physically driven from their land by armed conflict with Boers and other settlers.  The so-called “Kaffir Wars” (now euphemistically called the “Xhosa Wars” in these politically correct times) are well-known examples.

    In essence, the colonial era ended with the colonial power(s) regarding all the territory in their possession as being, essentially, the property of the colonizers.  The local inhabitants were to be exploited as a labor resource.  That was their only value, their only asset.  The British Empire was just as bad as the later apartheid government in that regard;  in fact, many apartheid laws had their genesis in colonial legislation (e.g. the Natives Land Act of 1913, which initially allocated just 7.5% of the total land area to “natives”;  the punitive “hut taxes“, aimed at forcing black tribesmen to work on white-owned mines and farms in order to earn money to pay them;  etc.).

    Mandela kept the crazies down, but he’s gone. The white farmers often didn’t want to sell up and move, and the government didn’t really allot funds to buy them out. When they leave, food production will probably drop precipitously; no doubt the Chinese will be happy to provide expertise. For a price. IIUC they already dominate agriculture in Ethiopia.

    I have a feeling that the Chinese in Africa will make the Belgians look like Mother Teresa.

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  18. Judge Mental Member
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):
    But here’s what this really makes me think about:

    Bill Clinton, ~1993: “By 2050 white people will no longer be a majority in this country. Isn’t that great.”

    Listen to the black students at Evergreen, or their professors advocating for white genocide and tell me why to expect anything different here.

    A couple of points. Even as whites become a plurality, it’s very doubtful that whites will consist of 8 percent of the country. Also, it’s doubtful that blacks will dominate, as there are lots of hispanics in the country as well.

    But, and I’m looking at a future of maybe 75 to 100 years from now, if there is as much racial animous towards whites that you’re predicting, and who knows how much mixed racial marriages will play into all this, then the country, which is much larger than South Africa will break up.

    At that point white people will still be the largest group.  But all the others have and are being indoctrinated into believing that all their problems are due to white oppression.  If you really believe that, isn’t creating laws to reverse that oppression the just response?  Like, for example, a privilege tax?  When that doesn’t ‘fix’ things, what comes after?  There is no reason to expect the same thing can’t happen here.

    The new minority majority doesn’t have to be all one race.  Have you noticed how references to black and Hispanic are being replaced by the new term ‘people of color’?  What does that term mean, if not everyone but white people?

    I’m not suggesting there will be immediate genocide or even at all.  But I do expect things to get very ugly along racial lines.

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  19. Weeping Inactive
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):
    But here’s what this really makes me think about:

    Bill Clinton, ~1993: “By 2050 white people will no longer be a majority in this country. Isn’t that great.”

    Listen to the black students at Evergreen, or their professors advocating for white genocide and tell me why to expect anything different here.

    A couple of points. Even as whites become a plurality, it’s very doubtful that whites will consist of 8 percent of the country. Also, it’s doubtful that blacks will dominate, as there are lots of hispanics in the country as well.

    But, and I’m looking at a future of maybe 75 to 100 years from now, if there is as much racial animous towards whites that you’re predicting, and who knows how much mixed racial marriages will play into all this, then the country, which is much larger than South Africa will break up.

    I suspect this is going to happen at some point anyway – racial animus or not. If political tensions continue to ratchet up, I don’t see how it can be avoided. A breaking point will surely occur. I don’t see how it can be any other way.

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  20. Mim526 Inactive
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    tigerlily (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):
    How many white farmers will defend their land with firearms? How many blacks will die trying to confiscate white farmers’ land? How many white farmers will salt the earth of their farms before leaving?

    Whole series of videos on this topic…

    Thanks for posting this Kozak.

    @matede posted a thread in February on Lauren Southern’s reporting.  With increasing references white supremacy, etc. in US, you’d think it a topic for our press but they remain silent.  Doesn’t fit the agenda or myopic obsession with our current POTUS, I suppose.

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  21. John Hendrix Thatcher
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    tigerlily:

    I came across this story on the Instapundit website a couple of days ago and since then I’ve been searching without much success for articles about this in the US press. That is disturbing to me because this seems like a very big deal.

    The primary reason the MSM is trying not to report on a real-world case of genuine racism is because it would be too politically inconvenient for their preferred narrative of “Trump’s a racist”.

    The secondary reason is that because of their multiculturalist world-view they will never get as excited by crimes committed by members of what they regard as an “oppressed class” against those they regard as members of an “oppressor class”. I am old enough to recall the MSM’s editorial behavior during the 1970’s when Africans of African descent conducted genocide against Africans of African descent–plus Asians–in Uganda while–at the same time–Africans of European descent were denying English common-law rights to Africans of African descent in South Africa.

    You get one guess as to which one of these cases excited the MSM.

    As much as practical the MSM will ignore South Africa until somebody white does something wrong to somebody who is black–because multiculturalism.

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  22. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    Larry3435 (View Comment):

    Al Sparks (View Comment):
    If I had been a white man in South Africa, I would have picked up and left a long time ago. A good ten years ago. I can feel sorry for the whites in South Africa, but in the end, they let events overtake them. It’s their foolishness.

    I had some South African friends in the mid-1980’s. They had come to the US, leaving everything they owned behind. Those were the rules back then. The government would not let people take their belongings and flee. If you left, you did it as a pretend-tourist, and you did it with the clothes on your back. I don’t know how things were ten years ago, but it is hard to believe they had gotten any better.

    That doesn’t make your suggestion any less sensible, Al. When my grandfather fled Germany for Paris in 1930, I think similar sacrifice was involved. And, perhaps, again when he fled France for Palestine a few years later. And then again to make his way to Chicago. All in all, those sacrifices seem pretty much preferable to staying around for the holocaust. Most of my family didn’t make the same sacrifices, and they mostly died. But I recognize that it takes real courage to leave everything you know and everything you have earned and built, and run for your life. I have great admiration for anyone with that kind of courage. And, thanks Gramps!

    Its not just material assets; My Great-Aunt Charlotte had to retake Medical School and become a doctor all over again.

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  23. Zafar Member
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    From wiki, ANC headed municipalities (green) after 2011 elections:

    And then after the 2016 elections (blue is Democratic Alliance):

    Noticeable change:  Gauteng goes DA.

    Hence the ANC adopting this political stance.

    From this article:

    It sounds like it should help people at the bottom – but it never has.

    It sounds like it should right historical wrongs – it never has.

    It sounds like it is empowering ordinary people – it never has.

    I expected Malema to come out with this. He has been testing the waters with this subject for the last 18 months – ever since the EFF failed to grow substantially in the 2016 elections. As a “stunt” politician he has been looking for something worthy of headlines. And this makes for great headlines.

    But for Cyril Rhamaposa to send the country down this road, in the second week of his presidency, means that the days of the ANC trying to help black South Africans are well and truly over. Because now they are just trying to win black South African votes…

    I don’t think it’ll be Zimbabwe 2.0 –  in that it won’t be land grabs.  What it will be is an electoral issue over which a number of parties will compete about how ‘pro’ they are – all while avoiding doing anything that puts their money where their mouths are and crashes the economy. (Though eventually, the time to pay the piper arrives.)

    From Moneyweb:

    The proposal would have to be approved by at least six of the nine National Council of Provinces. In addition, two thirds (about 67%) of the National Assembly would have to agree to change Section 25. Given that its majority has been on a steady decline, the ANC only holds 62% of the seats in the National Assembly. It has to look at joining forces with other opposition parties like the EFF (holding 6.4% of seats) to change the Constitution.

    It has been argued that if changes to Section 25 – which forms part of the Bill of Rights –  impinge on the founding values of the Constitution, then a 75% majority might be required. This might require taking the matter to the courts for a declaratory order…

    Bulelwa Mabasa, a director at Werksmans Attorneys, reckons it might take years as SA’s entire legal jurisprudence on property ownership is affected fundamentally.  She said expropriation of land without compensation impacts other pieces of legislation that have to be reviewed. These include the National Credit Act and Expropriation Act, which contemplates just and equitable compensation. “It is a complete philosophical shift on how SA has looked at property rights and ownership,” she commented.

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  24. tigerlily Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    From wiki, ANC headed municipalities (green) after 2011 elections:

    And then after the 2016 elections (blue is Democratic Alliance):

    Noticeable change: Gauteng goes DA.

    Hence the ANC adopting this political stance.

    From this article:

    It sounds like it should help people at the bottom – but it never has.

    It sounds like it should right historical wrongs – it never has.

    It sounds like it is empowering ordinary people – it never has.

    I expected Malema to come out with this. He has been testing the waters with this subject for the last 18 months – ever since the EFF failed to grow substantially in the 2016 elections. As a “stunt” politician he has been looking for something worthy of headlines. And this makes for great headlines.

    But for Cyril Rhamaposa to send the country down this road, in the second week of his presidency, means that the days of the ANC trying to help black South Africans are well and truly over. Because now they are just trying to win black South African votes…

    I don’t think it’ll be Zimbabwe 2.0 – in that it won’t be land grabs. What it will be is an electoral issue over which a number of parties will compete about how ‘pro’ they are – all while avoiding doing anything that puts their money where their mouths are and crashes the economy. (Though eventually, the time to pay the piper arrives.)

    From Moneyweb:

    The proposal would have to be approved by at least six of the nine National Council of Provinces. In addition, two thirds (about 67%) of the National Assembly would have to agree to change Section 25. Given that its majority has been on a steady decline, the ANC only holds 62% of the seats in the National Assembly. It has to look at joining forces with other opposition parties like the EFF (holding 6.4% of seats) to change the Constitution.

    It has been argued that if changes to Section 25 – which forms part of the Bill of Rights – impinge on the founding values of the Constitution, then a 75% majority might be required. This might require taking the matter to the courts for a declaratory order…

    Bulelwa Mabasa, a director at Werksmans Attorneys, reckons it might take years as SA’s entire legal jurisprudence on property ownership is affected fundamentally. She said expropriation of land without compensation impacts other pieces of legislation that have to be reviewed. These include the National Credit Act and Expropriation Act, which contemplates just and equitable compensation. “It is a complete philosophical shift on how SA has looked at property rights and ownership,” she commented.

    Thanks Zafar.

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  25. Instugator Thatcher
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    To my understanding, these issues were to be put to bed by the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission, established in 1996. The purpose of the commission was to

    The mandate of the commission was to bear witness to, record, and in some cases grant amnesty to the perpetrators of crimes relating to human rights violations, as well as reparation and rehabilitation. – Wikipedia

    I guess they forgot the reconciliation part.

    Zafar (View Comment):
    I don’t think it’ll be Zimbabwe 2.0 – in that it won’t be land grabs.

    This will not end well especially since the government just voted to seize private lands without compensation. (Sorry @zafar, but they did, in fact, vote to do what you said they wouldn’t)

    Just remember, there is no end to the grievance industry.

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  26. Zafar Member
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    Instugator (View Comment):
    To my understanding, these issues were to be put to bed by the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission, established in 1996.

    The TRC was really the first ‘thing’ of its kind – and perhaps unsurprisingly it failed at many things.  It wasn’t all Invictus and In My Country rah rah.

    Bluntly (emphasis added) albeit narrowly put:

    The classic failure of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission was its inability to achieve economic redress for the black majority of South Africans. The main focus and subsequent achievement was a superficial recount of atrocities and [to] pardon perpetrators who committed those heinous crimes.

    Or in a more measured way:

    The TRC explored reconciliation not through punishment, but through trying to build a story about gross crimes against humanity and political reform. As far as individuals went, the TRC sought to combat impunity and rebuild a culture of accountability. For victims of gross violence it aimed to uncover hidden truths of what happened and assist families in getting ‘closure’. As part of the process, commitments were made to victims of gross violence about reparations and, at least in recommendations towards the end, regarding broader reforms and changes.

    Yet because it could not bring itself to examine wider exploitation and systematic oppression, the TRC’s work was inadequate….the TRC’s bigger failure is that it failed to address the more collective loss of dignity, opportunities and systemic violence experienced by the oppressed. No hearings were held on land issues, on the education system, on the migrant labour system and on the role of companies that collaborated with, and made money from, the apartheid security system. As Mahmood Mamdani puts it:

    “The TRC held individual state officials criminally responsible, but for only those actions that would have been defined as crimes under apartheid law. It distinguished between the law-driven violence of the apartheid state – pass laws, forced removals, and so on – as legal if not legitimate, and the excess violence of its operatives, as illegal.”

    Essentially the TRC sidestepped access to resources and land ownership – which as it turn out are at the heart of people’s concerns.

    This will not end well especially since the government just voted to seize private lands without compensation. (Sorry @zafar, but they did, in fact, vote to do what you said they wouldn’t)

    Just remember, there is no end to the grievance industry.

    Absolutely, but it’s only the gift that keeps on giving until you concretely and directly address the grievance.

    The ANC doesn’t want to end up like Robert Mugabe (or to make SA like Zimbabwe – they are not stupid people, not to mention their healthy self interest) – but I think they do want to politically milk the issue for as long as they can without paying the piper. jmho.  (Which may prove to be harder to say than to do.)

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  27. Instugator Thatcher
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Absolutely, but it’s only the gift that keeps on giving until you concretely and directly address the grievance.

    Bovine excrement. The US addressed the grievance in the most concrete way possible – the American Civil War, never mind the Civil Rights upheaval – and it still has not ended the grievance industry.

    Heck we even redistributed $2.2B in the 2000s as part of the Pigford cases. It isn’t enough and it never will be – until individuals choose to ignore the grievance industry.

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  28. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Absolutely, but it’s only the gift that keeps on giving until you concretely and directly address the grievance.

    Bovine excrement. The US addressed the grievance in the most concrete way possible – the American Civil War, never mind the Civil Rights upheaval – and it still has not ended the grievance industry.

    Heck we even redistributed $2.2B in the 2000s as part of the Pigford cases. It isn’t enough and it never will be – until individuals choose to ignore the grievance industry.

    Exactly. The purpose of the Truth and Reconciliation Commissions was to give whites an opportunity to give up their dominance without fear of persecution. It looks like once Mandela was out of the way, the rest of the ANC had no intention of keeping that promise.

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  29. Zafar Member
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    But the point is the ‘whites’ didn’t give up their dominance where it mattered (the economy) – the TRC didn’t get into that – though reducing that to race and ignoring class really misses some relevant info.  Let’s just say that the people who were (even relatively) rich under Apartheid are still mostly rich, while the people who just had their whiteness have lost that advantage.  Also there are some rich black people now, but most blacks are still poor. It’s a solution with some inbuilt instability.

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  30. Kozak Member
    Kozak
    @Kozak

    Israel P. (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Maybe Wakanda can grant the white farmers vibranium.

    In all seriousness, should we grant white farmers status as refugees? They speak English, understand democracy and will advocate for robust property rights. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of downside to letting them in.

    And they are Africans!

    When the left says that they are not real Africans, it will (again) show the left as the racists they are. (Color of their skin, content of their character, etc etc)

    LOL.My daughter went to school in Wisconsin with a girl from South Africa. Nice little blond kid  smart, dad an engineer mom a nurse.  When college time rolled around she started getting unsolicited free rides at major universities, even a couple of Ivy’s.  It became apparent that they were salivating to get this smart “African” student to fill a quota.

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