Hyperbole at Its Finest

 

This showed up on my Facebook newsfeed this afternoon. I have probably lost a friend over my reply:

Stunning perhaps, but not accurate. In 1937, the German Jews who were detained were sent to work camps and death camps. That is the first difference. Neither of those happen to those detained by ICE. The German government turned on its own citizens. Their German citizenship counted for nothing. Every single country in the world has citizenship requirements, including Canada and Mexico—the two countries that border us.

Do we need immigration reform? Absolutely. Should have done that years ago. Would I have tried to gain entry into a better country to help my children any way possible? Certainly. That is a different question than killing, maiming, or enslaving people. As long as we are talking in hyperbole, nothing will be accomplished.

I felt badly (a little) because I rarely confront such but then I went to the original and I was kind. Where does this nonsense come from? What part of citizenship laws do people not understand?

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  1. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    Rodin (View Comment):
    And when you arrive at that wonderful day in which the state of America is such that whatever it is that the rest of the needy world wants, it isn’t available in America, what will the immigrant activists say then? “Mission Accomplished”

    The Project to Humble the United States began many years ago, and has employees everywhere.

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  2. La Tapada Member
    La Tapada
    @LaTapada

    For what it’s worth, I have a personal vow to never post about politics on Facebook. (Sometimes I type out a whole response to something I feel strongly about and then I delete it all and don’t post.) I have a good number of friends and relatives who I enjoy very much if we don’t get into politics. (I also have a number of conservative Facebook friends whose Facebook posts embarrass me.)

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  3. Nick Baldock Inactive
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    @NickBaldock

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Nick Baldock (View Comment):
    Forgive me for hijacking the thread, but: I’m teaching the interwar USA to another class and I put up on the board ‘Harding cut taxes and the economy recovered.’ Some of the brighter (13-14-yo) kids looked confused and pointed out that cutting taxes deprived the government of money, which could be used to build schools, hospitals, infrastructure etc. How would you explain this phenomenon to smart young teenagers who, this being the UK, naturally see public services as good and government as the motor of economic growth?

    In your particular example, I don’t believe that the government was deprived of money since the Harding Administration (well, the Andrew Mellon economy) was an instance where the Laffer Curve worked, and the tax cut increased revenues because of the draconian tax rates that preceded it. How’s that sound, teach?

    It sounds great, thank you, and in fact that’s more or less where next lesson will have to begin, although I’m not sure how much of a History lesson I can legitimately divert into Economics, especially when I’d have to revise marginal incentives and the multiplier effect, and then the Wall St Crash and Great Depression loom on the horizon to be explained…

    Perhaps I should just tender it out to the Ricochetti ?

     

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  4. TG Thatcher
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    @TG

    Nick Baldock (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Nick Baldock (View Comment):
    Forgive me for hijacking the thread, but: I’m teaching the interwar USA to another class and I put up on the board ‘Harding cut taxes and the economy recovered.’ Some of the brighter (13-14-yo) kids looked confused and pointed out that cutting taxes deprived the government of money, which could be used to build schools, hospitals, infrastructure etc. How would you explain this phenomenon to smart young teenagers who, this being the UK, naturally see public services as good and government as the motor of economic growth?

    In your particular example, I don’t believe that the government was deprived of money since the Harding Administration (well, the Andrew Mellon economy) was an instance where the Laffer Curve worked, and the tax cut increased revenues because of the draconian tax rates that preceded it. How’s that sound, teach?

    It sounds great, thank you, and in fact that’s more or less where next lesson will have to begin, although I’m not sure how much of a History lesson I can legitimately divert into Economics, especially when I’d have to revise marginal incentives and the multiplier effect, and then the Wall St Crash and Great Depression loom on the horizon to be explained…

    Perhaps I should just tender it out to the Ricochetti ?

    Note to American Ricochetti:  “Revise” is Edu-Brit-speak for “review.”

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  5. Chuckles Coolidge
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    @Chuckles

    cdor (View Comment):
    Unlimited immigration to a welfare state does not end well for anyone.

    Friedman said the same thing many years ago: “It’s just obvious you can’t have free immigration and a welfare state.”

    Clearly it is not obvious to some.

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  6. Hoyacon Member
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    @Hoyacon

    Nick Baldock (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Nick Baldock (View Comment):
    Forgive me for hijacking the thread, but: I’m teaching the interwar USA to another class and I put up on the board ‘Harding cut taxes and the economy recovered.’ Some of the brighter (13-14-yo) kids looked confused and pointed out that cutting taxes deprived the government of money, which could be used to build schools, hospitals, infrastructure etc. How would you explain this phenomenon to smart young teenagers who, this being the UK, naturally see public services as good and government as the motor of economic growth?

    In your particular example, I don’t believe that the government was deprived of money since the Harding Administration (well, the Andrew Mellon economy) was an instance where the Laffer Curve worked, and the tax cut increased revenues because of the draconian tax rates that preceded it. How’s that sound, teach?

    It sounds great, thank you, and in fact that’s more or less where next lesson will have to begin, although I’m not sure how much of a History lesson I can legitimately divert into Economics, especially when I’d have to revise marginal incentives and the multiplier effect, and then the Wall St Crash and Great Depression loom on the horizon to be explained…

    Perhaps I should just tender it out to the Ricochetti ?

    I hope it goes well.  Mellon is a fascinating historical figure in the study of the 20’s (and too much forgotten) since he was Treasury Secretary for a decade (three presidents!).  As you may know, he finally stepped down to become Ambassador to the UK after Democrats tried to impeach him.

     

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  7. Kate Braestrup Member
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    @GrannyDude

    Can I just slip in a bit of seriously not-PC gratitude that I live in the country that’s going to be Hispanic (perhaps Catholic/Evangelical) rather than Muslim?

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  8. Songwriter Inactive
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    Rodin (View Comment):
    Tucker Carlson has been asking the same provocative question over and over to progressive immigration activists with no answer: “How many people should America allow to immigrate?” Activists never set a ceiling.

    That is because, as Thomas Sowell teaches, Leftists have no limiting principles. There is no “enough,” only “more.”

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  9. RightAngles Member
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    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):
    Can I just slip in a bit of seriously not-PC gratitude that I live in the country that’s going to be Hispanic (perhaps Catholic/Evangelical) rather than Muslim?

    Also perhaps conservative!

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  10. Trink Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    I don’t Facebook because I don’t want to know the stupid things my friends (and, sadly, some family) are posting.

    Oh my gosh.  If you could see what our bro-in-law posted a couple nights ago .  .

    I wouldn’t have seen it, but a close relative texted it and I couldn’t resist.

    Oy.

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  11. The Reticulator Member
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    @TheReticulator

    Songwriter (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):
    Tucker Carlson has been asking the same provocative question over and over to progressive immigration activists with no answer: “How many people should America allow to immigrate?” Activists never set a ceiling.

    That is because, as Thomas Sowell teaches, Leftists have no limiting principles. There is no “enough,” only “more.”

    Sowell said that? Very good.

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  12. CarolJoy Coolidge
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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):
    A little bit of VDH may help.

    http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/mythologies-of-illegal-immigration/

    That is an extremely worthwhile read.

    I do wish Hanson had expanded on the term “melting pot” as that term is now utilized and appropriated by the pro-rampant immigration forces. Their idea of a melting pot is quite different than what many of us learned about our  society being a “melting pot” some 40 years ago.

    Their version of the current day melting pot situation is one wherein Americans and other immigrants all must learn Spanish.

    Where born in America citizens must assimilate to the demands of the newly arrived. Where exceptions to rules and regulations are common, but only for Mexican and other Spanish speaking foreigners who enter our nation. The rest of us must play by the rule and regs, and must also curb any natural impulses that arise while watching part of the population be allowed and encouraged to do what they want. (After all, you and I understand that simple indignation over unfairness is simply that. But the liberals view even indignation over unfairness as “racism.”)

    Kate Stenle’s family paid the ultimate price for this newly modified version of “melting pot.”

    What radicalized me on the immigration situation was not only twenty years of watching the  hospitals, nursing homes and schools disintegrate as more and more folks from south of the border came here. And while officials and owners and managers of these institutions sell us all out.

    What flipped me was the day I was out with a fellow Bernie supporter. We were leafletting a neighborhood. And in the middle of a lengthy conversation about Alex Padilla, Ca’s Secretary of State, whom neither of us liked, I forgot to correctly pronounce the double “L'”s.

    Never mind that it was about 98 degrees out, that I am neurologically impaired, or that I had already pronounced the man’s name correctly four times. This “progressive” woman tried to tear me anew one for my mispronouncing his name.

    And that moment was the end of all attempts in my heart and mind to understand the “liberal” version of how immigration needs to be handled. If the progressive movement is this fanatical, that venom and spit is hurled at someone for simple mispronunciation of a surname, I for one am done.

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  13. cdor Member
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    @cdor

    CarolJoy (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):
    A little bit of VDH may help.

    http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/mythologies-of-illegal-immigration/

    That is an extremely worthwhile read.

    I do wish Hanson had expanded on the term “melting pot” as that term is now utilized and appropriated by the pro-rampant immigration forces. Their idea of a melting pot is quite different than what many of us learned about our society being a “melting pot” some 40 years ago.

    Their version of as current day melting pot is one wherein Americans and other immigrants all must learn Spanish. Where exceptions to rules and regulations are common, but only for Mexican and other Spanish speaking foreigners who enter our nation. The rest of us must play by the rule and regs, and must also curb any natural impulses that arise while watching part of the population be allowed and encouraged to do what they want. (After all, you and I understand that simple indignation over unfairness is simply that. But the liberals view even indignation over unfairness as “racism.”)

    Kate Stenle’s family paid the ultimate price for this newly modified version of “melting pot.”

    What radicalized me on the immigration situation was not only twenty years of watching the hospitals, nursing homes and schools disintegrate as more and more folks from south of the border came here. And while officials and owners and managers of these institutions sell us all out.

    What flipped me was the day I was out with a fellow Bernie supporter. We were leafletting a neighborhood. And in the middle of a lengthy conversation about Alex Padilla, Ca’s Secretary of State, whom neither of us liked, I forgot to correctly pronounce the double “L’”s.

    Never mind that it was about 98 degrees out, that I am neurologically impaired, or that I had already pronounced the man’s name correctly four times. This “progressive” woman tried to tear me anew one for my mispronouncing his name.

    And that moment was the end of all attempts in my heart and mind to understand the “liberal” version of how immigration needs to be handled. If the progressive movement is this fanatical, that venom and spit is hurled at someone for simple mispronunciation of a surname, I for one am done.

    The phrase I have heard that makes sense is that we used to have a melting pot. Now we have a salad bowl. The emphases isn’t on the American part of the hyphenated individual. It is on the African or Mexican or Latino part. I feel a similar disgust with the anti border crowd as you, the lawbreakers encouraged while we citizens must cross every tee. Our government knows everything about us citizens…where we live, how much we earn, where our money is and how we spend it. We can’t deposit or withdraw sums approaching $10K without filling out forms.  Meanwhile 10’s of millions of illegals live in the shadows unwatched and unknown.

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  14. Kate Braestrup Member
    Kate Braestrup
    @GrannyDude

    The melting pot is great. That’s the model wherein we bring  some interesting cuisine, some useful new words to add to the expressive richness of American English (hygge, tamale, schmuck, guru) and some fresh genes… and within a generation or two, English is the primary language and there is plenty of intermarriage with persons of other ethnic origins.

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  15. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):
    The melting pot is great. That’s the model wherein we bring some interesting cuisine, some useful new words to add to the expressive richness of American English (hygge, tamale, schmuck, guru) and some fresh genes… and within a generation or two, English is the primary language and there is plenty of intermarriage with persons of other ethnic origins.

    In earlier generations, a lot of ethnic and religious immigrant groups (and other identity groups) had their own mutual aid societies to provide various types of insurance. One reason some of those have gone away is the loss of ethnic and religious identity due to intermarriage and all the other things you mention that have erased the distinct identities. However, another is that the Great Society put them out of business by funding competitive alternatives with printed money, which also helped the various social identity groups to go away, too. I don’t look at that loss as a good thing.

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  16. TheSockMonkey Inactive
    TheSockMonkey
    @TheSockMonkey

    CarolJoy (View Comment):
    What flipped me was the day I was out with a fellow Bernie supporter. We were leafletting a neighborhood. And in the middle of a lengthy conversation about Alex Padilla, Ca’s Secretary of State, whom neither of us liked, I forgot to correctly pronounce the double “L’”s.

    Never mind that it was about 98 degrees out, that I am neurologically impaired, or that I had already pronounced the man’s name correctly four times. This “progressive” woman tried to tear me anew one for my mispronouncing his name.

    Did you tell her to go make herself a dang quesadilla?

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