Las Vegas Shooting: What We Know Now

 

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At least 58 people were killed and more than 500 hurt in the largest mass shooting in US history. The gunman, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, fired from his 32nd-floor room at the Mandalay Bay hotel onto the Route 91 Harvest country music festival.

When confronted by police, Paddock killed himself. No motive is known at this time. He was a retired accountant from Mesquite, NV. His brother said “he was a wealthy guy playing video poker… on cruises,” adding that he could afford anything he wanted. Paddock’s father, now deceased, was a bank robber who was on the FBI’s 10 most wanted list.

The shooter had no criminal record. Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said, “We had no knowledge of this individual. I don’t know how it could have been prevented.”

President Donald Trump called the attack “an act of pure evil” and praised the Las Vegas police. The President and the First Lady will lead a moment of silence at 2:45 pm ET/11:45 PT to honor those killed.

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  1. Stina Member
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    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):

    MJBubba (View Comment):
    And the polite society of Ricochet finds it unacceptable to comment that this man should be “publicly flogged,” on account of that is somehow the exact equivalent of AntiFa gathering up a masked, armed mob and gathering to disrupt a permitted demonstration.

    Is it not enough to say that his tweet was disgusting and uncouth?

    MJBubba (View Comment):

    I am thinking you must agree with Richard Dawkins.

    Sure, MJ. Sure.

    Just, Stop. Please. You disagree with his form of expression. Please stop policing the way people express themselves.

    First, Sal tried to make everyone stop talking about this because he doesn’t like speculation. Fine. Then he doesn’t need to speculate. It is unnecessary for him to carry on for 5 more comments about how everyone should agree with him.

    And then this. If Sal had let it go, it wouldn’t be a subject in this thread that completely overshadowed a member’s sister being in the thick of it.

    Give it up, please. You think MJ’s comment is embarrassing? Sal’s responses are more so and your involvement is, as well.

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  2. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Member
    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen
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    Stina (View Comment):
    You think MJ’s comment is embarrassing? Sal’s responses are more so and your involvement is, as well.

    My problem is with MJBubba and JtC’s assertions that those who agreed with Sal are endorsing Dawkins’s disgusting comments and/or support gun-grabbing.

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  3. JcTPatriot Member
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    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):
    You think MJ’s comment is embarrassing? Sal’s responses are more so and your involvement is, as well.

    My problem is with MJBubba and JtC’s assertions that those who agreed with Sal are endorsing Dawkins’s disgusting comments and/or support gun-grabbing.

    No sir. My wondering about it is not the same as asserting it, sir. I was only stating the thoughts that went through my mind as I read the thread, sir.

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  4. Stina Member
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    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):
    You think MJ’s comment is embarrassing? Sal’s responses are more so and your involvement is, as well.

    My problem is with MJBubba and JtC’s assertions that those who agreed with Sal are endorsing Dawkins’s disgusting comments and/or support gun-grabbing.

    Sal is a big boy and doesn’t need your help. He got in it on his own, by blowing stuff up that was inconsequential, detracting from far more worthy comments. He can get himself out of it.

    But I’m tired of this. There is a worthy conversation trying to happen and all of you can’t stop harping on stuff unrelated to it.

    I want to know what we can do to help our communities stop devolving into anxious depression. Are you? Good. Now lets talk about that and ignore Sal trolling and his targets’ responses.

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  5. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Member
    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen
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    JcTPatriot (View Comment):

    No sir. My wondering about it is not the same as asserting it, sir. I was only stating the thoughts that went through my mind as I read the thread, sir.

    So, to recap, your thinking included the ideas that we were:

    1. “[D]efending that creep.”
    2. Feeling “the same way about the Constitution [as Dawkins]?”
    3. Gun grabbers; or
    4. “[J]ust hijacking the thread for the fun of it?”

    … and then gave-out.

    Got it.

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  6. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Member
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    Stina (View Comment):
    But I’m tired of this. There is a worthy conversation trying to happen and all of you can’t stop harping on stuff unrelated to it.

    It’s funny you say that because I’d assumed the Sal/LaRoche tussle had passed when I came back here to discover several comments “harping” on it from just yesterday.

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  7. JcTPatriot Member
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    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):

    JcTPatriot (View Comment):

    No sir. My wondering about it is not the same as asserting it, sir. I was only stating the thoughts that went through my mind as I read the thread, sir.

    So, to recap, your thinking included the ideas that we were:

    1. “[D]efending that creep.”
    2. Feeling “the same way about the Constitution [as Dawkins]?”
    3. Gun grabbers; or
    4. “[J]ust hijacking the thread for the fun of it?”

    … and then gave-out.

    Got it.

    Let’s put back in the parts you excised:

    Were they? Do they? Are they? Or were they?

    That’s “wondering” not “asserting” – just expressing what I was wondering while I read the thread. I accuse nobody of anything.

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  8. MJBubba Member
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    Moderator Note:

    Please presume good faith and avoid the appearance of conspiracy-theorizing.

    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):
    You think MJ’s comment is embarrassing? Sal’s responses are more so and your involvement is, as well.

    My problem is with MJBubba and JtC’s assertions that those who agreed with Sal are endorsing Dawkins’s disgusting comments and/or support gun-grabbing.

    That is actually the best construction to put on this thread.

    The other option is that Sal is baiting M. LaRoche by taking him Literally and disingenuously, and is getting backed up by the staff for his efforts.

    This thread has provided clarifications, but about Ricochet and not about the shooting.

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  9. Bob W Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Bob W (View Comment):
    I was waiting for this:

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-prescribed-anti-anxiety-drug-in-june/

    This is the common denominator in most mass shootings.

    @bobw, do you think its anxiety or the actual medication?

    Do other countries have a similar issue with anxiety and medication? If not, why do we have this issue?

    Obviously in most  other countries there is a dearth of guns. I think the drugs are a necessary but not sufficient condition. The German Wings Pilot was on lorazepam, similar to valium. Charles Whitman was on dexadrine and valium at some point, not sure if it was when he did the shooting.

    The drugs are given out like candy. The suicide warning is on them, but I don’t think doctors really talk about this with patients and make sure they understand they could start getting  really weird feelings and to stop if they do.

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  10. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):
    It’s funny you say that because I’d assumed the Sal/LaRoche tussle had passed when I came back here to discover several comments “harping” on it from just yesterday.

    For Heaven’s sake Tom, just let it go.

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  11. MJBubba Member
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    Bob W (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Bob W (View Comment):
    I was waiting for this:

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-prescribed-anti-anxiety-drug-in-june/

    This is the common denominator in most mass shootings.

    @bobw, do you think its anxiety or the actual medication?

    Do other countries have a similar issue with anxiety and medication? If not, why do we have this issue?

    Obviously in most other countries there is a dearth of guns. I think the drugs are a necessary but not sufficient condition. The German Wings Pilot was on lorazepam, similar to valium. Charles Whitman was on dexadrine and valium at some point, not sure if it was when he did the shooting.

    The drugs are given out like candy. The suicide warning is on them, but I don’t think doctors really talk about this with patients and make sure they understand they could start getting really weird feelings and to stop if they do.

    Sometimes they don’t like those weird feelings and stop their meds.  Then they suffer their original depression.

    Or, sometimes they stop their meds and self-medicate with mystery pills they buy from blackmarket Asian vendors on the internet.

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  12. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    JcTPatriot (View Comment):
    That’s “wondering” not “asserting” – just expressing what I was wondering while I read the thread. I accuse nobody of anything.

    Please, just let this go and get back on subject.

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  13. JcTPatriot Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    JcTPatriot (View Comment):
    That’s “wondering” not “asserting” – just expressing what I was wondering while I read the thread. I accuse nobody of anything.

    Please, just let this go and get back on subject.

    [Bows respectfully to Goldwaterwoman] My heart to you, ma’am.

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  14. Stina Member
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    MJBubba (View Comment):
    Sometimes they don’t like those weird feelings and stop their meds. Then they suffer their original depression.

    Sometimes, stopping the medication has a “jump off a cliff” effect.

    There is some drug out there that is an Amplifier to whatever anti-depressent you are on… it makes the effect stronger. Imagine coming off that and crashing like you are coming off a high. The crash frequently takes you lower than your baseline before stabilizing.

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  15. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    JcTPatriot (View Comment):
    [Bows respectfully to Goldwaterwoman] My heart to you, ma’am.

    Love you JcTPatriot!!

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  16. Salvatore Padula Inactive
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    MJBubba (View Comment):
    Y’all are becoming caricatures of yourselves. I am thinking you must agree with Richard Dawkins.

    Yep, I’m such a gun grabber that I co-authored this piece arguing that the Second Amendment protects the individual right to own automatic weapons.

    http://ricochet.com/archives/may-group-writing-firearms-bad-facts-make-bad-law-and-bad-law-makes-more-bad-law-us-v-miller/

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  17. Kay of MT Inactive
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    Salvatore Padula (View Comment):
    Yep, I’m such a gun grabber that I co-authored this piece arguing that the Second Amendment protects the individual right to own automatic weapons.

    http://ricochet.com/archives/may-group-writing-firearms-bad-facts-make-bad-law-and-bad-law-makes-more-bad-law-us-v-miller/

    That was a very interesting article, I don’t know how I missed it last year.

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  18. livingthehighlife Inactive
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    Salvatore Padula (View Comment):

    MJBubba (View Comment):
    Y’all are becoming caricatures of yourselves. I am thinking you must agree with Richard Dawkins.

    Yep, I’m such a gun grabber that I co-authored this piece arguing that the Second Amendment protects the individual right to own automatic weapons.

    http://ricochet.com/archives/may-group-writing-firearms-bad-facts-make-bad-law-and-bad-law-makes-more-bad-law-us-v-miller/

    Good cover!

    ;-)

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