Breaking: US Navy Fires More Than 50 Tomahawk Missiles into Syria

 

Full story from the Washington Post:

The U.S. military launched approximately 50 cruise missiles at a Syrian military airfield late on Thursday, in the first direct American assault on the government of President Bashar al-Assad since that country’s civil war began six years ago.

The operation, which the Trump administration authorized in retaliation for a chemical attack killing scores of civilians this week, dramatically expands U.S. military involvement in Syria and exposes the United States to heightened risk of direct confrontation with Russia and Iran, both backing Assad in his attempt to crush his opposition.

The attack may put hundreds of American troops now stationed in Syria in greater danger. They are advising local forces in advance of a major assault on the Syrian city of Raqqa, the Islamic State’s de facto capital.

The decision to strike follows 48 hours of intense deliberations by U.S. officials, and represents a significant break with the previous administration’s reluctance to wade militarily into the Syrian civil war and shift any focus from the campaign against the Islamic State.

Senior White House officials met on the issue of Syria Wednesday evening in a session that lasted into early Thursday, and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser, have communicated repeatedly since Tuesday’s chemical attack, the officials said.

President Donald Trump is scheduled to make a statement tonight.

Update:

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  1. Columbo Inactive
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    Joe P (View Comment):

    JLock (View Comment):

    I wonder how Israel will view this, seeing that Tomahawks use inertial guidance that depends on a gyroscopic balance of either gimbals or fluid that are often difficult to maintain or inspect — leaving the weapon to wildly miss it’s target about every 1/100 times.

    Israel made a statement expressing approval of the strike. A military spokesman also said they were tipped off beforehand.

    @jlock … see their statement and link at comment #86 …

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  2. Roberto Inactive
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    Moderator Note:

    Personal attack. Please stick to the merits of the argument.

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Funny, dead children and war crimes didn’t seem to matter when we were talking about refugees, but now that we have the opportunity to blow stuff up….Murica!!!

    You know you can always go back home if you do not care for how we conduct our business.

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  3. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):

    Joe P (View Comment):
    So he went from “weird, pro-Russia isolationist” to “quasi-Neocon who made the Russians blink” in about 70 days.

    Who would have predicted that?

    I wouldn’t have. But I approve.

    A standing ovation for Donald Trump. From me. Strange times …

    Strange times indeed. President Trump did not do this unilaterally. The plan came from his generals. It was telegraphed clearly to the Russians (and world) by his Ambassador to the U.N. It was supported by leaders around the world. It has seriously hacked off a chunk of his base who think “neocons” have taken over his Administration.

    I think he did this for the right reason. It certainly wasn’t ‘political’. Much of his base at places like breitbart and freerepublic are livid with him. To me, the primary point in his statement explaining the missile strike was this … No child of God should ever suffer such horror.

    He made sure that the provocation wouldn’t force the Russians to escalate. But he also most certainly wanted to send a message that America is no longer “leading from behind”.

    If that’s the case there are another couple dozen countries we need to lob cruise missiles at.

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  4. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Funny, dead children and war crimes didn’t seem to matter when we were talking about refugees, but now that we have the opportunity to blow stuff up….Murica!!!

    The answer to the refugee crisis is to prevent refugees from being created.

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  5. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Roberto (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Funny, dead children and war crimes didn’t seem to matter when we were talking about refugees, but now that we have the opportunity to blow stuff up….Murica!!!

    You know you can always go back home if you do not care for how we conduct our business.

    I am home.

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  6. outlaws6688 Member
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):
    I wouldn’t have. But I approve.

    A standing ovation for Donald Trump. From me. Strange times …

    Put another way: As long as it is America spending her (possible) blood and fortune in some far away land, I’m happy!

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  7. Topher Inactive
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    Why not target Assad himself? He doesn’t give a rat’s rear end about his cannon fodder. But if all of his palaces were reduced to deep holes in the ground, that would have an affect. Particularly if I was in one of them.

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  8. Front Seat Cat Member
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    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    This is justified. You’re not allowed to use chemical weapons in war, especially against civilians. Also, does anyone really think ceding the Middle East to Iran and Russia is a good idea? We have vital interests in the Middle East. President Trump represents more than just the isolationists in his core base of support. I would like to know what the objectives are though.

    Assad has been doing this for years with no consequences, and the world community did little. Also, Russia needs to decide who it wants to side with, the thugs of the world or the civilized international community – it can’t be both. I think this attack is also a request for them to decide.

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  9. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Topher (View Comment):
    Why not target Assad himself? He doesn’t give a rat’s rear end about his cannon fodder. But if all of his palaces were reduced to deep holes in the ground, that would have an affect. Particularly if I was in one of them.

    Regime change hasn’t worked well for us in the past but it would be nice in his case. Syrians have no country, no leader. They just want their country back and to return to their homes and heritage. They have suffered for a long time.

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  10. Columbo Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):

    Joe P (View Comment):
    So he went from “weird, pro-Russia isolationist” to “quasi-Neocon who made the Russians blink” in about 70 days.

    Who would have predicted that?

    I wouldn’t have. But I approve.

    A standing ovation for Donald Trump. From me. Strange times …

    Strange times indeed. President Trump did not do this unilaterally. The plan came from his generals. It was telegraphed clearly to the Russians (and world) by his Ambassador to the U.N. It was supported by leaders around the world. It has seriously hacked off a chunk of his base who think “neocons” have taken over his Administration.

    I think he did this for the right reason. It certainly wasn’t ‘political’. Much of his base at places like breitbart and freerepublic are livid with him. To me, the primary point in his statement explaining the missile strike was this … No child of God should ever suffer such horror.

    He made sure that the provocation wouldn’t force the Russians to escalate. But he also most certainly wanted to send a message that America is no longer “leading from behind”.

    If that’s the case there are another couple dozen countries we need to lob cruise missiles at.

    A couple dozen countries have used chemical weapons on their own people, including children?

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  11. JLock Inactive
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    Joe P (View Comment):

    JLock (View Comment):

    I wonder how Israel will view this, seeing that Tomahawks use inertial guidance that depends on a gyroscopic balance of either gimbals or fluid that are often difficult to maintain or inspect — leaving the weapon to wildly miss it’s target about every 1/100 times.

    Israel made a statement expressing approval of the strike. A military spokesman also said they were tipped off beforehand.

    Yeah I saw that. I meant the people not Bibi.

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  12. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Funny, dead children and war crimes didn’t seem to matter when we were talking about refugees, but now that we have the opportunity to blow stuff up….Murica!!!

    They matter very much to me. Which is why I’m 100 percent in favor — in this case — of blowing stuff up. If Trump’s heart was changed by the appalling, nauseating sight of children who’ve been gassed to death, who knows — maybe it can be changed about refugees, too.

    And if his heart had nothing to do with it — if this was an entirely cynical exercise in wagging the dog — I’m still thrilled that there’s one less airbase from which Syrian civilians can be tortured and killed.

    Well done, President Trump. MAGA.

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  13. JLock Inactive
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    I’ll hand it to Trump — he criticized Obama on something we all agree was a **** up, and followed through on a threat. We all wait with baited breath, hoping to see it has a positive outcome that doesn’t result in boots-on-the-ground.

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  14. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):

    Joe P (View Comment):
    So he went from “weird, pro-Russia isolationist” to “quasi-Neocon who made the Russians blink” in about 70 days.

    Who would have predicted that?

    I wouldn’t have. But I approve.

    A standing ovation for Donald Trump. From me. Strange times …

    Strange times indeed. President Trump did not do this unilaterally. The plan came from his generals. It was telegraphed clearly to the Russians (and world) by his Ambassador to the U.N. It was supported by leaders around the world. It has seriously hacked off a chunk of his base who think “neocons” have taken over his Administration.

    I think he did this for the right reason. It certainly wasn’t ‘political’. Much of his base at places like breitbart and freerepublic are livid with him. To me, the primary point in his statement explaining the missile strike was this … No child of God should ever suffer such horror.

    He made sure that the provocation wouldn’t force the Russians to escalate. But he also most certainly wanted to send a message that America is no longer “leading from behind”.

    If that’s the case there are another couple dozen countries we need to lob cruise missiles at.

    A couple dozen countries have used chemical weapons on their own people, including children?

    That is the only horror we must not allow children of God to suffer?

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  15. JLock Inactive
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    And from the looks of the comments here and on my FB feed filled with a spectrum of liberals — I will say the upside to any of this is that its still very good to know that the loud overture of war, whether it happens or not, still is the place where Liberals and Conservatives come together for America and her ideals.

    Let’s pray we made the right move, for all those who suffer Assad’s demented wrath — and if we did hope it stymies at least a tenth of this partisan-BS political culture we have now.

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  16. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    I think a smarter move would have been to determine where Assad sleeps and drop 50 cruise missiles on him.  Sort of make the point a little more personal.

     

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  17. Zafar Member
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    It came to me – what, now he’s suddenly moved by Syrian deaths?

    What else has happened this week that he wants to draw (your) attention away from?

    Of course that’s why. So what. If he winds up doing the right thing only because everyone’s riding his ass about doing the wrong thing, it’s still the right thing.

    I’m not seeing it Claire.

    ‘You can kill as many civilians as you want using barrel bombs and starvation, but not with sarin gas because that frightens the horses’ seems lacking in the hearts and minds department (ie the moral dimension of US foreign policy) – and is pretty (unflatteringly) revealing, without actually changing who controls what on the ground in Syria.

    If Assad has plenty of other bases to fly barrel bomb missions from (he does) what’s the positive outcome?

     

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  18. JLock Inactive
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    It came to me – what, now he’s suddenly moved by Syrian deaths?

    What else has happened this week that he wants to draw (your) attention away from?

    Of course that’s why. So what. If he winds up doing the right thing only because everyone’s riding his ass about doing the wrong thing, it’s still the right thing.

    I’m not seeing it Claire.

    ‘You can kill as many civilians as you want using barrel bombs and starvation, but not with sarin gas because that frightens the horses’ seems lacking in the hearts and minds department (ie the moral dimension of US foreign policy) – and is pretty (unflatteringly) revealing, without actually changing who controls what on the ground in Syria.

    If Assad has plenty of other bases to fly barrel bomb missions from (he does) what’s the positive outcome?

    Zafar here just perfectly summarized the anxious barking in the negative part of my head.

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  19. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    If you really want to make America great again, part of that is reclaiming our leadership role in the world, arguably the single worst thing Obama did while in office.

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  20. Zafar Member
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Topher (View Comment):
    Why not target Assad himself? He doesn’t give a rat’s rear end about his cannon fodder. But if all of his palaces were reduced to deep holes in the ground, that would have an affect. Particularly if I was in one of them.

    Regime change hasn’t worked well for us in the past but it would be nice in his case.

    Is there any reason to think it would result in something better than in Iraq?

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  21. JLock Inactive
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    I have work to do so turning off all this news for a bit — and knowing that I can do that — I’ll pray for all those innocent in Syria and our siblings and children who lace their boots for America.

    God Bless.

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  22. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Percival (View Comment):

    And stop already with the “false flags.” You can’t run down to the garden supply store and pick up a canister of sarin. It is complicated to make, difficult to store and move, and problematic to deploy. Aum Shinrikyo made crude, impure sarin for their 1995 subway attack in Tokyo. Aum Shinrikyo had 40,000 members and about $1 billion in assets. The rebels have nothing like that.

    I’m not endorsing the theory here, but don’t forget that the rebels here include ISIS. I wouldn’t be surprised if they could pull it off.

    On the other hand, they’d be just as likely to take credit for it…

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  23. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):
    If you really want to make America great again, part of that is reclaiming our leadership role in the world, arguably the single worst thing Obama did while in office.

    I agree. Part of that is getting authorization for war as outlined in The Constitution.

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  24. Patrick McClure Coolidge
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    Hypatia (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    Well, I hope the intel agencies were accurate in blaming this on Assad, and those chemical weapons stores are really there.

    Yeah, I know what you mean. We’re all gun shy after Bush’s debacle with Saddam’s non-existent WMDs. But at least this strike didn’t kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.

    Umm, which of President Bush’s strikes killed “hundreds of thousands”  of civilians?  I have no memory of this occurring under either President Bush, or in either Gulf War.

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  25. JLock Inactive
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    It came to me – what, now he’s suddenly moved by Syrian deaths?

    What else has happened this week that he wants to draw (your) attention away from?

    Of course that’s why. So what. If he winds up doing the right thing only because everyone’s riding his ass about doing the wrong thing, it’s still the right thing.

    I’m not seeing it Claire.

    Last thing, this stuck in my head — in Military History — of all the conflicts and strategy I learned about (from a Marine who went into Academia) the most celebrated and detailed are the tough calls made by those willing to make them despite the huge unpopularity it caused. And sometimes the positive outcome wasn’t seen for months, years, and even centuries.

    Arguing about this is where earnest prayer is necessary.

     

     

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  26. Ekosj Member
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    Hypatia (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    Well, I hope the intel agencies were accurate in blaming this on Assad, and those chemical weapons stores are really there.

    Yeah, I know what you mean. We’re all gun shy after Bush’s debacle with Saddam’s non-existent WMDs. But at least this strike didn’t kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.

    Re non existent WMD.    Correct me if I mis-recall this …. But my recollection is that there was some pretty good -if under reported – evidence that Saddam ‘warehoused’ his chemical stockpiles with Assad.    That that’s where Assad’s chemical weapons came from in the first place … Saddam never showed back up with his ‘hock’ ticket and they became Assad’s by default.

    No?

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  27. Jamie Lockett Member
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    If this strike was worth doing, and I think it was, then it was worth doing according to The Constitution.

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  28. Zafar Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Hypatia (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    Well, I hope the intel agencies were accurate in blaming this on Assad, and those chemical weapons stores are really there.

    Yeah, I know what you mean. We’re all gun shy after Bush’s debacle with Saddam’s non-existent WMDs. But at least this strike didn’t kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.

    Re non existent WMD. Correct me if I mis-recall this …. But my recollection is that there was some pretty good -if under reported – evidence that Saddam ‘warehoused’ his chemical stockpiles with Assad. That that’s where Assad’s chemical weapons came from in the first place … Saddam never showed back up with his ‘hock’ ticket and they became Assad’s by default.

    No?

    I know that’s a popular view in some quarters, but if Saddam had the weapons he’d have used them in extremis (when he was being invaded and overthrown and forced to hide in some underground bunker) – not stored them with a deadly untrusted rival ‘ just in case’.

    If he didn’t use them, it’s fairly convincing that he didn’t have them.

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  29. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    without actually changing who controls what on the ground in Syria.

    It’s a start.

    I spent an endless day today with the Bureaucracy (getting my French Green-Card equivalent up-to-date — the amount of paperwork involved is beyond belief)* so I’m absolutely exhausted and probably shouldn’t try to make a cogent argument right now. But after I get a bit of sleep, I’ll vigorously defend what Trump just did. Which will be a new thing for me. I’m looking forward to it.

    *Among other things, today I signed an affidavit, on my honor, that I will not practice polygamy on French soil. Seriously.

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  30. Mike H Inactive
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    Dad Dog (View Comment):
    I’m torn.

    Bastards deserved it.

    But . . .

    I don’t like being the world’s policeman.

    And . . . I thought Trump felt that way, too.

    I’d rather be the world’s policeman who acted more like domestic police rather than “police” who commit manslaughter on a regular basis by raining bombs down on complexes and shrugging our shoulders at the civilian casualties since apparently the rules of morality change when governments fight each other.

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