Thinking About Pence and O’Reilly

 

Last week, we spent six or seven days gawping at Vice President Mike Pence and his wife for their supposedly bizarre or retro marriage rules. Pence, as even villagers in Bora Bora doubtless know by now, does not attend one-on-one dinners with women not his wife, and does not drink alcohol in social settings when Karen is not with him.

Progressives were by turns confused and disgusted. They assumed that this conveyed a primitive view of relations between men and women. Does he imagine that all women are sirens, some wondered, prone to turn an innocent dinner into an opportunity for sexual adventure? What a caveman view! Or was he so vain as think himself an Adonis whom women would be unable to resist? Besides, this private rule between spouses represents a setback for women in the workplace. Don’t most deals take place over dinner? Wouldn’t women be the losers if all men had such rules?

Conservatives had a bracing time with rebuttal. Mike Pence’s lieutenant governor was a woman! Avoiding “occasions of sin” isn’t primitive; it’s actually kind of elevated. Each couple may draw the line in a different place, but drawing lines around marriage is a very healthy, not a weird impulse. In typically pithy fashion, Jonah Goldberg noted that “Elites say we have no right to judge adultery, but we have every right to judge couples who take steps to avoid it.”

My own take on the Pence brouhaha is that feminists who demand respect for women should never disdain the honor that good men show their wives by their constancy. Extremism in defense of fidelity is no vice.

So last week was an enjoyable culture war moment. It felt almost like 2012 again, when progressives were sneering about Mitt Romney’s five sons as somehow “creepy,” and we on the right marveled at what a corrupt view of the world you must entertain to come to that conclusion. Surely of all the things to dislike about Romney, the very last item on the list ought to have been his wholesome family.

This week is another cultural battle, but the troops are not as motivated because the lines are not as clear. We are the ones who uphold gentlemanly standards of behavior, right? So if a TV star many conservatives enjoy watching turns out to be a serial sexual harasser, that would violate our norms, yes?

Bill O’Reilly has settled no fewer than five lawsuits alleging gross misbehavior toward women. The payouts have totaled $13 million ($10 million paid by O’Reilly, $3 million by Fox). Those kinds of settlements are not what you pay to make nuisance claims go away.

Of course it’s possible that some of the (many) women who have complained or filed suits against O’Reilly are disappointed aspirants to TV stardom themselves. But surely not all. One was his producer. And yes, many of the hosts on Fox News are impeccably upright. No suits have been filed citing Bret Baier or Brit Hume.

But there’s an awful lot of smoke here. Megyn Kelly said it happened to her. Andrea Tantaros has also sued Fox, and there are credible reports of more. Fox News under Roger Ailes produced some great journalism and some low-rent behavior – especially for a network that a) pitched itself to conservatives, and b) took so many swipes at Bill Clinton and Anthony Weiner.

Gretchen Carlson was one of many women who’ve alleged harassment, but apparently the only one who recorded a private encounter with Ailes on her cellphone. She walked away with $20 million. That seems a bit steep to me, but you have to admire her moxie.

Julie Roginsky has filed a separate suit against Roger Ailes and Fox News alleging that Ailes pressured her for sex and then retaliated against her by withdrawing a contract offer when she rebuffed him. A telling detail, for those on all sides of the Pence imbroglio – Ailes allegedly intimated that he was interested in a sexual encounter with Roginsky by, among other things, saying that she ought to have sex with “older, married, conservative men,” and that “if it wouldn’t get us both into so much trouble” he would take her “out for a drink.” He suggested a private drink instead.

Wendy Walsh says she did have dinner with Bill O’Reilly to discuss becoming a paid contributor to his show. When she declined, after the meal, to go up to his room, the offer was allegedly withdrawn.

Wouldn’t everyone be better off following Mike Pence’s rules?

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  1. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    When cable news and CNN started, the news used to be about the news.  Fox seemed to want to brand everything with one-hour personalities who developed large paychecks and large egos.  Just spend some money to let us know about what is new and going on in the world.  Furthermore, there’s more to news that just politics.

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  2. MarciN Member
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    Hypatia (View Comment):
    This is the point: even an accusation destroys someone’s life. And if you’re convicted, or if you make the awful error of pleading guilty just to “put it behind you”, you’ll find there are a host of collateral civil consequences designed to ostracize you to a leper colony, both physically and metaphorically. (Your defense counsel, if you had one, is not obliged to tell you about these consequences, nor is anyone else, and the fact that your guilty plea was uninformed is not a legal basis for new trial. )

    So:

    these sexual-assault type crimes have the longest statutes of limitations : only murder is as long or longer, but see, with a murder, there at least has to be a dead body! Whereas 15 years after someone’s genitals have allegedly been stroked, there is NO physical evidence of any kind, and often not even any evidence of inclination and opportunity; and

    they are uniuqe in that the “evidence” almost always comes down solely to a swearing contest between the accuser and the accused; and, as @marcin points out

    a conviction or plea to any such offense is essentially a “civil death” sentence, which the accused won’t find out until after the case is closed.

    As a powerful politician who professes a faith, Pence is an even greater target for such accusations than other individuals in public life. . . .

    a new reign of terror

     

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  3. Ansonia Member
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    Re: 29 and 32

    Well, nothing works better than the sex scandals of high profile religious practitioners for turning regular, not overly bright folks against a faith elites know is a threat to the influence of certain beliefs promoted by elites. That’s for sure.

    So, yeah, I think that’s the real, consciously unrecognized, reason Pence’s conduct infuriates a lot of people on the left. They feel thwarted by it.

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  4. Songwriter Inactive
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    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):
    Furthermore, there’s more to news that just politics.

    Exactly. Fox News is really Fox Political News. Other than covering the occasional national disaster, the network is pretty much all politics all the time. This is why my wife still wants to watch NBC news – despite the fact that she knows they are biased. At least they talk about things other than politics from time to time.

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  5. BD1 Member
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    The Federalist: “7 Companies That Pulled O’Reilly Ads Gave Money To Bill Clinton’s Tax-Free Group.”

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  6. BD1 Member
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    In a related story: “Uber’s Only Female Director Vows to Change Its Culture.”

    That female director is Arianna Huffington.  She is “helping drive an investigation into allegations of sexual harassment at the company.”

    Back in 1994, Arianna Huffington was considered the driving force behind the senatorial candidacy of her then-husband, Michael Huffington.  Vanity Fair ran an article at the time which contained allegations that “Two young men in [Michael] Huffington’s office felt compelled to leave after he hugged them against their will.”  Arianna doesn’t appear to have taken any action in response to this behavior by her husband.

    The Vanity Fair article further relates that “one aide who left claims that Arianna told her, ‘You ever say anything about us and I’ll come back and try to pins thing on you.'”

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