In the Face of Evil

 

The word “evil” has become trivialized, particularly in this election season. Just like the words racist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, it is casually thrown around like a ragdoll: who gets to play with it next? When people don’t like other people, or dislike their positions or the way they comb their hair, they just call them evil. Who can argue with evil?

I was going to write on this topic later, but then Doug Watt posted on the horrific practice in China of stealing organs. And the question slapped me in the face: how do we act in the face of true evil? What about other evils, such as abortion and murder? How do we take back the word “evil” so that we demonstrate its power and resilience? Do we even recognize what evil is anymore? Is there anything we can do about the commission of evil in this country or elsewhere in the world? Or must we resign ourselves to wringing our hands, condemning the careless use of the word, and praying for clarity and a strategy for action?

What do you think?

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  1. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    It’s wrong and dangerous to relegate “evil” only to the most heinous acts and persons . That undermines the understanding that, as Dime pointed out, a habit of minor evils inclines a person toward greater evils. It also dismisses the constant call to self-improvement, without which moral apathy often takes hold. To love oneself or others is not to become blind or careless of failures.

    No, iWe, it is not Christian to downplay shame or need of atonement, as Jesus Himself regularly demonstrated while accosting people around Him (as did His first disciples). Of course, it is necessary to balance the two good values of justice and mercy. Likewise, balance is necessary when confronting evils — accosting and ruthlessly destroying the worst evils while remembering our own failures and respecting free will as we address the lesser evils which arise regularly in even the healthiest societies.

    We should be careful with the term, but not sparing. More caution is justified when labeling a person, rather than an act. But we label people as evil to identify them as toxic or dangerous persons who should be avoided or negotiated with wariness.

    I will continue to label as evil politicians who have spent decades habitually lying, disregarding the rights and words of their opponents, disregarding legal boundaries, and teaching people to hate what is good.

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  2. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Define good.  The definition of evil will follow.

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  3. Quinn the Eskimo Member
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    Susan Quinn: As a Buddhist, I had discussions with Buddhist friends (all on the left, of course). They objected to calling a person evil; they said it branded the person and made it more difficult to redeem him/herself. I said, isn’t that the point? If there’s any chance for redemption, shouldn’t they know how terrible the act was?

    I think the highest priority has to be stopping the evil act.  Whether the person is redeemed or not redeemed, it’s important to stop them from their actions.  We have plenty of time to debate whether a person is redeemable after we stop him from killing people to steal their organs.  Identifying this as “evil” helps to make this a priority, as opposed to simply labeling it “wrong.”  It has a practical value in addition to a moral value.

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  4. Mr. Conservative Inactive
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    iWe:

    10 cents:

    iWe:

    Probably another Jewish/Christian divide – emphasizing opportunities for growth rather than sinfullness and need for atonement.

    I am not sure what you mean. Would you clarify?

    In general, Christians start with the premise that man is fallen, sinful, and in need of atonement. That means that when evil is discovered, a pious Christian might well say, as your Russian does, “we are all sinners.”

    Jews don’t do that. We all make mistakes, and we all can improve, but that does not mean I have to start with the premise that we should be slow to label evil where we find it.

    Of course (and I am sure you didn’t mean to imply this), Christians do not believe that atonement is somehow inconsistent with moral growth or improvement.  Christianity teaches that once someone become a Christian, and is “redeemed” by the atonement of Christ, his behavior will begin to change-even if in fits and starts–two steps forward, one step back–never reaching perfection in this life.  The book of James tells us famously that , “faith without works is dead.”

    The struggle with sin is in fact evidence that you are a Christian, that your game-plan now is to please G-d, even if the execution is sometimes lacking.  (If you want to see someone without such a struggle, go here).StanleyHolloway

    Cont’d below

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  5. Mr. Conservative Inactive
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    Far from “now I have a blank check to sin” mentality, the motivation should be “now that I know this G-d who has done so much to rescue me from my sin and rebellion against him, even sending his own son to die in my place, I WANT to be different, I WANT to please him .”  Of course, according to Christian theology, the Christian is never alone again in this struggle, he has someone to “come along side”–a “very present help in time of need”–the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit whose task it is to remind us who (and whose) we are.

    The Apostle Paul described this struggle between what you want to do and your inability to execute the game plan (at times) in Romans 7:22-25.

    NETHERLANDS - CIRCA 2002: The apostle Paul, 1635, by Rembrandt (1606-1669), oil on canvas, 135x111 cm. (Photo by DeAgostini/Getty Images); Vienna, Kunsthistorisches Museum (Museum Of Fine Arts). (Photo by DeAgostini/Getty Images)

    Rembrant’s Paul

    “So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.”

    Blessings!

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  6. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Mountie: So the easiest way to protect your philosophical position is to label the other one “evil”. Once done, you don’t need to worry about people on your side finding philosophical holes in your position because everyone will be living in an echo chamber free from “evil” ideas.

    Very good comment, Mountie. How do you argue with evil? But when you see it, it’s not negotiable. One has to protect one’s values and one’s reputation.

    Mountie: Whenever I hear someone throw the word “evil” around I think of “The Stoning of Soraya M“. This was pure evil. Anything else is pale in comparison. I’ve only been able to watch the film once, in a theater here in Atlanta that specialized in independent movies. The audience was so stunned that for 5 minutes after the film finished, and the lights came back up in the theater, everyone sat in silence.

    I saw this film on DVd. It was heartbreaking, devastating. It takes the definition of evil directly, with no doubt. I can’t imagine watching it in the theater.

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  7. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Concretevol:

    10 cents:If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    I was just trying to recall this quote and here it is. I remember it blew me away when I first read it.

    Yes—it’s quite powerful. I found iWe’s comment in answer to it quite powerful, too. Thanks, C.

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  8. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Mr. Conservative:We can only know what evil is, if we know what good is. I think Dostoyevsky was getting at this when he wrote, “Without God everything is permitted.” Right and wrong must be objective. If not, then almost anything can be justified. If right and wrong are objective, then someone must define the terms and determine what is good and what is evil. That someone must be G-d. He is the only one qualified to make such determinations. No one else can be trusted to do so.

    I think the terms good and evil serve us best, rather than right and wrong, Mr. C. For example, the people who saved Jews during the Holocaust “did the wrong thing” in terms of German law. But they did the good thing. Maybe I’m being too picky.

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  9. 10 cents Member
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    Susan Quinn:

    Concretevol:

    10 cents:If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    I was just trying to recall this quote and here it is. I remember it blew me away when I first read it.

    Yes—it’s quite powerful. I found iWe’s comment in answer to it quite powerful, too. Thanks, C.

    What did you find iWe’s response that was powerful?

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  10. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    10 cents: What did you find iWe’s response that was powerful?

    The reminder that, in one way we are all connected. But we have choices independent of our connection to others to decide if we will commit evil or if we will choose good. We are not fighting an evil that already exists within us, we are making a choice between the evil inclination and the good inclination. It is the capacity to choose that unites us, not fighting an evil that already exists within us. (I expect a knowledgeable Jew out there will correct me if I’m wrong, although the Sabbath is around the corner.)

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  11. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil. — Isaiah 5:20

    The moral confusion caused primarily by those on the Left has taken us way beyond the inability to identify and define evil. We have prominent people who tell our graduating Coastguardsmen, for example, that their biggest, lifelong challenge will be combating climate change.

    That’s our president… inspiring young guardians of our shores… to battle against CO2 emissions. And it’s called “words of wisdom” by the suck-up media. He’s talking about one of the good and necessary components of our atmosphere which makes life possible! Plant food!

    You can’t make this stuff up.

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  12. Mr. Conservative Inactive
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    Susan Quinn:

    Mr. Conservative:We can only know what evil is, if we know what good is. … Right and wrong must be objective. If not, then almost anything can be justified…someone must define the terms and determine what is good and what is evil. That someone must be G-d. He is the only one qualified to make such determinations. No one else can be trusted to do so.

    I think the terms good and evil serve us best, rather than right and wrong, Mr. C. For example, the people who saved Jews during the Holocaust “did the wrong thing” in terms of German law. But they did the good thing. Maybe I’m being too picky.

    I get your point, but I was using them as synonyms. God defines good/right/righteousness.  To disobey God is wrong/evil.  I certainly agree that it can be right or good to disobey man’s unjust laws. “Peter and the apostles answered, ‘We must obey God rather than men.'” Acts 5:29.

    It was certainly right/good for those who disobeyed laws to hide the Jews during the holocaust. Many Christians did that of course (as did many others–all heroes to me). Corrie Ten Boom and her family hid Jews in Holland until they were found out.  Her father and sister died in the camps when they were discovered.  She survived and told her story.  Wiki here.  Do you know her story, Susan?  GREAT READ!  I highly recommend it.The Hiding Place

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  13. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Western Chauvinist:

    Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil. — Isaiah 5:20

    The moral confusion caused primarily by those on the Left has taken us way beyond the inability to identify and define evil. We have prominent people who tell our graduating Coastguardsmen, for example, that their biggest, lifelong challenge will be combating climate change.

    That’s our president… inspiring young guardians of our shores… to battle against CO2 emissions. And it’s called “words of wisdom” by the suck-up media. He’s talking about one of the good and necessary components of our atmosphere which makes life possible! Plant food!

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    It makes me nuts, too!!! Thanks, WC. Signing off for the Sabbath!

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  14. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Mr. Conservative: Do you know her story, Susan? GREAT READ! I highly recommend it.

    I do know it! But I haven’t read her book. I will order it forthwith!

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  15. 10 cents Member
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    Susan Quinn:

    10 cents: What did you find iWe’s response that was powerful?

    The reminder that, in one way we are all connected. But we have choices independent of our connection to others to decide if we will commit evil or if we will choose good. We are not fighting an evil that already exists within us, we are making a choice between the evil inclination and the good inclination. It is the capacity to choose that unites us, not fighting an evil that already exists within us. (I expect a knowledgeable Jew out there will correct me if I’m wrong, although the Sabbath is around the corner.)

    This is unclear to me. Are you saying the evil inclination in people is a learned behavior?

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  16. Doug Watt Member
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    The problem is that we cannot confront evil in the most egregious examples of evil, such as abortion, euthanasia, or the post I wrote on the forced harvesting of human organs in China. This filters down to confronting evil in much smaller instances.

    Evil is the absence of good. Good depends upon reason. Evil depends upon rationalization. When we treat people as objects it is much easier to turn a blind eye to evil. Whether it is to savage an individual in a news story or in the comments section of a post. Evil asks us to embrace the sin as well as the sinner. Evil is to use the word fetus rather than human being. God asks us to embrace the sinner and provide a path to redemption. That does not mean God asks us to embrace the act.

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  17. I Walton Member
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    Really poignant question and very good responses.  I never used the term, I was a modern, above that sort of thing but when I saw Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos up close and got to know the people around them I used it for the first time.  Since then I’ve seen it many times, but there is a difference between sinful people, all of us, our bad harmful actions which we have all committed, and real evil.  That doesn’t mean I could define it, design a check list, I couldn’t but we know it when we see it. Indifference to the consequences to others of our behavior is always there, so is power and it often comes in a collective form so that normal people can bury their accountability in the indifference of a mob. And the folks we come to call evil do not recognize that they are evil, they always think they are performing some service, benefiting some abstraction called man or the poor or el pueblo.

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  18. Zafar Member
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    Mountie:There was a Ricochet podcast a year or so ago, I forget which one, where a traditionalist who did not support Same Sex Marriage discussed the issue with someone who was gay. The traditionalist made the comment that he was tired of being branded as “evil” by his opposition because it was a device used to stop any free exchange of thoughts. To his point, “evil” is something that you confront and eradicate, you don’t negotiate with it. You don’t freely exchange ideas with it. So the easiest way to protect your philosophical position is to label the other one “evil”. Once done, you don’t need to worry about people on your side finding philosophical holes in your position because everyone will be living in an echo chamber free from “evil” ideas.

    Exactly.

    But you’ll notice we only do this to ‘evil’ that we can ignore and steamroll over to get our own way.

    A lot of people thought the Soviet Union was evil, but not many of them argued that this meant there was no point negotiating with it.

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  19. Larry3435 Inactive
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    I accept that we are all sinners.  I do not accept that this makes us all partially evil.  And in political discussions, I am very careful not to use the word evil lightly.  At the moment, it is reserved for Harry Reid and Maxine Waters.  I am open to other nominations, but those are the two about whom I am sure.

    Obama is not evil (to me) – merely stupid, narcissistic and deluded.  Hillary borders on evil.  If I knew for sure that she actually understands that the policies she pursues will cause poverty, misery, and civilizational degeneration, and she pursues them anyway out of her lust for power and money, then I would say she is evil.  But who can know what goes on in that mind?  Since nothing she says can be trusted, we never get a glimpse into her soul, so to condemn her as evil is speculative.  She might actually believe this nonsense, as so many Democrats do.

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  20. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Larry3435: I accept that we are all sinners. I do not accept that this makes us all partially evil.

    I think that makes you Catholic. ;-)

    Seriously, God made creation good — very good. But, sin came into the world.

    We are made to be saints; it’s our free choices which allow us to do good or evil.

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  21. Songwriter Inactive
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    For those interested in the subject, I recommend The People of the Lie, by the late Scott M. Peck, MD (psychiatry).  From his own case studies, he chronicles his observations of behaviors he could only describe as “evil” in certain individual.  He also covers the phenomenon of evil overtaking a group (Germany in WWII being a classic example).

    Just don’t read this book at night unless you can sleep with the lights on.

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  22. Larry3435 Inactive
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    Western Chauvinist:

    Larry3435: I accept that we are all sinners. I do not accept that this makes us all partially evil.

    I think that makes you Catholic. ?

    Nope.  Agnostic to the core.  But the same answers given by religion are pretty easy to derive from simple reasoning and observation.  Sometimes I almost think that religions might have been invented by people, who engaged in simple reasoning and observation, rather than by getting their beliefs from prophets and burning bushes.

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  23. Zafar Member
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    Larry3435:

    Sometimes I almost think that religions might have been invented by people, who engaged in simple reasoning and observation, rather than by getting their beliefs from prophets and burning bushes.

    Well where’s the fun in that?

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  24. Jim Riley Inactive
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    10 cents:If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Last year I was attending a Unitarian Universalist curch service (long story) and the minister discussed evil (this was after the Charleston Church shootings). He discussed Solzhenitsyn, but not this quote particularly. Somehow he managed to get Solz. exactly backwards. The minister’s point was that we “good people” (and this guy clearly sees himself as one of the good people) don’t do enough finger pointing at evil.

    Whatever is happening with the left, it seems to be getting past the moral relativism it held to so fervently in prior decades.

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  25. Quinn the Eskimo Member
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    Aaron Miller: It’s wrong and dangerous to relegate “evil” only to the most heinous acts and persons . That undermines the understanding that, as Dime pointed out, a habit of minor evils inclines a person toward greater evils. It also dismisses the constant call to self-improvement, without which moral apathy often takes hold.

    You have a point about self-improvement.  But I also think there is going to be a pull, at a minimum rhetorically, towards talking about the most evil.  If we call it “heinous,” then I suspect in public discourse it will replace the word evil and we’ll be having the same discussion with a different word.

    It’s part of the discussion here.  The OP was started in response to another thread, one about the Chinese removing the organs of living people against their will.  My failings are independent of those responsible for the Chinese program.  That kind of butchery doesn’t excuse my faults, but at the same time, it doesn’t prevent me from saying that what’s happening is appalling and vastly worse than my problems.  Surely, we can try to do what is righteous without being self-righteous.

    I think the fact that evil can be graded as major and minor weighs more heavily to me than who possesses evil, whether major or minor.

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  26. Chuckles Coolidge
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    There are thoughts, words and deeds  which spring from evil, but we ought not confuse the branch with the root.

    C.S. Lewis wrote what is known as his Space Trilogy:  The last of those, “That Hideous Strength”  was to me so clear a depiction of true evil it was most uncomfortable to read.

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  27. Matt White Member
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    Larry3435:I accept that we are all sinners. I do not accept that this makes us all partially evil.

    There’s a totality implied in “evil”.  The language used in theological discussions is a bit different, but it still hits pretty hard.

    This discussion reminds me of when we had the children at church answer some of the catechism questions.

    Q. Who made you?
    A. God.

    Q. What else did God make?
    A. God made all things.

    Oohs and aahs from the parents when they hear their children answer these questions. These are the easy parts of theology. Discussions of sin get more interesting.

    Q. How sinful are you by nature?
    A. I am corrupt in every part of my being.

    Silence.   The parents realize this is on a different level from the drawings going up on the refrigerator.

    We don’t stop there, of course.  It’s just that we must understand our sin in order to repent of it and receive redemption.

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  28. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Larry3435: Sometimes I almost think that religions might have been invented by people, who engaged in simple reasoning and observation, rather than by getting their beliefs from prophets and burning bushes.

    People need to tell stories to communicate. Job is now commonly accepted by devout Jews and Christians as the story made up by a clever Rabi to illustrate a point. It is read and still debated.

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  29. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Harry Jaffa: Well, the — what is the root of — the institutional root of evil in our — in the world in which we inhabit. There’s no question but that it’s in the universities. That’s where this teaching begins. That’s where the high school and grade school teachers — so they go to college, and they learn that morality is subjective, and they think that’s the sophisticated thing to say.

    The corruption from the colleges was most powerful in the writing and English departments. From there it has infected our pop culture. Now monsters are misunderstood instead of evil. Thank G-d for comic books villains.

    What happened

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  30. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Thus far, we have agnostics, Buddhism and Jews and Christians debating about evil. I find it fascinating that we all agree that there is evil and gravely harming another human being is evil. Most of the debate thus far is about shame and redemption rather than any real disagreement about evil actions.

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