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Trump Truce
We’ve reached a point in this cycle a lot like the end of the SSM debate. One side is currently ascendant and the other is acutely sensitive to anything that seems like gloating or punching down. We would encourage the former group to show a little sensitivity and the latter to grow a thicker skin.
For those who are now planning to vote for Trump, continuing to scold the Never Trump members is doing a disservice to the site and to the members themselves. It is one thing to work to try and persuade them to come over, it is another to morally castigate them. Trump is the nominee, that battle has been won. Psychoanalyzing, name calling, and gloating over Never Trump members will not bring them over, but it will poison the well for civil discussion after the election regardless of the outcome. It would be well to show some grace here.
For the Never Trump members, continuing to declare that Trump voters are somehow really progressives, pro big government, betrayers of the conservative movement, etc., is both reading intent into the actions of others and attempting to read such people out of the party / movement. You personally may feel it immoral to vote for Trump, you personally may believe that Trump is ruining the party or brand or future electoral chances, but to continue to insist that Trump supporters / voters on this site have betrayed conservative principles or that they are all advocates of an enlarged government is to engage with them in bad faith. It would be well to take them at their word when they say they believe a Trump victory would actually achieve conservative ends. No one is asking you to agree with them.
For both sides, a final word. Not every post disagreeable to you actually needs your disagreement. If you cannot engage with the post in a civil way then refrain from commenting. Not every disagreeable comment within a post needs your disagreement either. More than a fair number of flags of late are directed at one member or another claiming “bad faith” in some comment or line of argument, and most of this stems from from one side or another 1) reading intent where none was stated, 2) morally castigating the other’s position on Trump, or 3) some variation of “obviously you do not believe what you are saying.”
We are a little over a month out from the election and, as of this writing, the race is still competitive and we’re all more than a little bit tense. Arguing over whether we should or should not vote for Trump is, of course, still fair game, but continuing personal attacks on members for their stated positions is not. Further, it is in poor form to continue to assume ill intent or “bad faith” on each others’ comments and posts. Argue all you want over whether we should vote for Trump, but stop trying to morally condemn the other side.
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Did you know that e is not Euler’s constant? Instead it’s Euler’s number. I just stumbled upon that one two days ago!
@skipsul, Thanks for posting this. I have been so heartsick over the whole #NeverTrump / Trump support of varying degree squabbles that I have considered canceling my membership multiple times this election cycle. The arguments for and against Trump at this point don’t seem to be persuading people just building up bad blood.
Easily the cheapest, most emotionally empty moment in Cheers. Terrible ending, typical of the cheesy “Diane knows best” episodes.
And I’m something of an expert having seen Cheers waaaaay too much.
I am watching the series for the first time, and I’m really enjoying it. This scene caught me by surprise.
It was sweet, I thought.
Shelley Long has a beautiful voice. I was surprised.
The series gets better when they stop treating Diane as the moral center of the show and as another character in it.
Last night I watched the episode where they all went to the opera. I was laughing out loud at my computer screen.
I have big post I’m going to do when I’m done to ask Rob Long how is was that all of these writers, producers, and actors were from New York (except for Shelley Long, who is from Indiana)! Is this what they thought Boston was? I haven’t yet found anyone who even went to school here. And the entire show was shot in Los Angeles. Too funny. Yet, from what I’ve read, it was very popular in Boston. And they mention Boston and Cape Cod and Vermont all the time. You’d think they were actually here.
For all equivacators, for all who fear castigation, for all who retreat from challenge, and for all who abide this flavor of bilge, my message is: Bring it! I’m more sensitive and nuanced than you are! Crikey.
Join the future or worship Thunder Rodent Thighs. Choose, and quit wasting words.
I’d say more, but I’m in the woods with little connectivity, so give me a break and don’t unload on me, Jamie.
Hammer on the kneecap.
OK and here I am just after comment #98. What was the question? Where am I,what’s going on?
Hah, I like what you said, but I don’t quite get what it means.
I have no desire to join the future. The future is just relearning old lessons the hard way.
About two decades ago, I thought we had debated whether American Conservatism should adopt Pat Buchanan Republicanism. The result was overwhelming that we should not. Today, we are debating it once again. The primary difference in the environment is that Barack Obama has been president for almost eight years. However, I still come up with the same answer that I did then–American Conservatism should not adopt Pat Buchanan Republicanism.
It speaks for itself–literally it can talk. Oh, the horror. (Note: In the interest of not promoting madness and projectile vomiting, I have decided not to expand this thought any further. Even the internet has its limits.)
Your first mistake is thinking any political debate is ever over. Twenty years later, it is different people debating. That was a generation ago. Oh, and people seldom learn from anyone’s past but their own.
It’s true that no political debate is ever over. Although there are now different players, the arguments used two decades ago still hold against the arguments being used today. Only fools learn only from their own past.
Those are not mutually exclusive.
Yes, but we were speaking of humanity, which is 99% fool.
It’s true you could learn from other’s experience and still be a fool. But in my opinion if you learn only from your own past experiences, you’re more likely to draw the wrong conclusions.
As my dad used to say “I resemble that remark.” And shall henceforth turn my sword to the fight against the Left.
We defenders have before us dark forces sweeping across the land. With the wind at their backs they have overrun much that we once cherished. The dark lady’s forces outnumber us. It is a desperate and fateful time. Yet some of our most able fighters aim the tips of their swords with the wind. Alas, we are an army divided.
We hope at the day of the battle, that all defender’s arrows and swords are all aimed alike.
For example… http://ricochet.com/376858/the-donald-has-been-busy-this-morning/
I concur
Actually, a recent meta-analysis of the relevant literature determined the rate of foolishness is between 89.2% – 93.01%. I thought you of all people would have seen that in the Dolts United newsletter.
Oh, and by the way, the debate on SSM is not over.
Was thinking just this morning ….. about how there has been no discussion on Socon topics. Is it scheduled for one of the final two debates?
Truce, Herbert, truce.
. <–The point of the OP
:) <–Your head
Lex Luthor, The Joker and I say, bring it on, Justice League! Bwahahaha!
Guess that truce thing isn’t working out
I have an uncle who would have some words with those drivers. He is a retired EMT and fireman who also trained recruits. Traffic safety is a big deal to him for those drivers.
My father used to teach high-speed defensive driving for his police department. It was a fun course, but meant to avoid that sort of thing.