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Trump Truce
We’ve reached a point in this cycle a lot like the end of the SSM debate. One side is currently ascendant and the other is acutely sensitive to anything that seems like gloating or punching down. We would encourage the former group to show a little sensitivity and the latter to grow a thicker skin.
For those who are now planning to vote for Trump, continuing to scold the Never Trump members is doing a disservice to the site and to the members themselves. It is one thing to work to try and persuade them to come over, it is another to morally castigate them. Trump is the nominee, that battle has been won. Psychoanalyzing, name calling, and gloating over Never Trump members will not bring them over, but it will poison the well for civil discussion after the election regardless of the outcome. It would be well to show some grace here.
For the Never Trump members, continuing to declare that Trump voters are somehow really progressives, pro big government, betrayers of the conservative movement, etc., is both reading intent into the actions of others and attempting to read such people out of the party / movement. You personally may feel it immoral to vote for Trump, you personally may believe that Trump is ruining the party or brand or future electoral chances, but to continue to insist that Trump supporters / voters on this site have betrayed conservative principles or that they are all advocates of an enlarged government is to engage with them in bad faith. It would be well to take them at their word when they say they believe a Trump victory would actually achieve conservative ends. No one is asking you to agree with them.
For both sides, a final word. Not every post disagreeable to you actually needs your disagreement. If you cannot engage with the post in a civil way then refrain from commenting. Not every disagreeable comment within a post needs your disagreement either. More than a fair number of flags of late are directed at one member or another claiming “bad faith” in some comment or line of argument, and most of this stems from from one side or another 1) reading intent where none was stated, 2) morally castigating the other’s position on Trump, or 3) some variation of “obviously you do not believe what you are saying.”
We are a little over a month out from the election and, as of this writing, the race is still competitive and we’re all more than a little bit tense. Arguing over whether we should or should not vote for Trump is, of course, still fair game, but continuing personal attacks on members for their stated positions is not. Further, it is in poor form to continue to assume ill intent or “bad faith” on each others’ comments and posts. Argue all you want over whether we should vote for Trump, but stop trying to morally condemn the other side.
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Called it.
And will depend in no small part on how we treat each other now.
Wow, this is an interesting point, Bob. I concur. Then again, the editors can remove something that goes to the Main Feed, although they could get flak for doing it. But they’re all tough!
I thought they disabled that?
Okay, I’ll just stick to yours…
right… focus on Trump. There is an abundance of material.
I don’t disagree.
Blaming Midge will get you nowhere!
I’m not sure, but this post currently says only 8 more recommendations needed until promotion…which seems to indicate that they have not.
I think you two are talking about two different things. In the past, a post that gets X number of recommendations was automatically going to the Main Feed. An editor had the option of moving it back to the Member Feed for various reasons. I think Austin is saying they can’t do that now, but now I’m not sure what the heck he meant. Maybe @tomdmeyer will clarify.
I believe there will be something resembling a truce in early November. Until then, the conversation will likely stay its current course.
I thought they took auto-promote off due to, uh, “concerns” about certain auto-promoted posts and now it just goes into a queue or something to get approved to the Main Feed.
Which, in my opinion, works better since not every recommended posts wants or needs to be on the Main Feed. Except mine of course, which are all priceless gems for the ages.
Philistine! Etaoin shrdlu is an important part of history.
Promotions: A post gets X votes (I think it’s 13) it goes main feed unless the author or the eds don’t want it to do so. Prior to a post reaching that threshold, though we are notified so hopefully we have a chance to vet it if something is amiss.
However, a light touch is better here, and really there haven’t been that many totally inappropriate pieces.
as well it should, it’s an important election after all.
gesundheit again. Ragweed season?
Maybe, but it doesn’t hurt to remind people from time to time.
Appreciate the clarity. That seems reasonable enough.
I thought he was a dwarf in LOTR.
I admire your optimism.
Unless you’re on drugs in which case what are you on and how do I get some?
Another Philistine.
FIFY
Irish / Swedish / English / German actually.
Keep to the code!
ISWYDT
Hey Skip- good post. I do read a fair drop in the Trump-#Never posts although I expect they will not disappear.
Can we argue about the future? I just spent 24 hours arguing about trade and manufacturing with @ryanm and @jamielockett with no mention of that New York feller. It was fun, just like the old days. @tomdmeyer even dropped a Ron Burgundy on me. Good times.
Ricochet is best when we go at each other over the issues and not the personalities. Way too much of the argument has been on the personality of Trump and the GOPe, including by the contributors.
The media has decided the most important things to discuss in this election are a Venezuelan getaway driver with a tendency to eat a bit, Obama’s birth certificate and St Hillary’s holy genetalia.
Ricochet can do better than that.
The less said the better.
Etaoin Shrdlu? Or Ragweed?
Must… resist… urge… to… pun…
Why?