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Post Bastille Day Slump – France Outsources Clergy Murders
Well done @Pseudodionysius
It was a group effort. I just gave it a top and tail; you guys launched it. Thank you to everyone. And please say a prayer for the repose of the soul of that priest and Christian martyr.
He was martyred while saying Mass. If that’s not dying for the faith, I don’t know what is. Since he’s already at the Throne, I’ll be asking Fr. Jacques to pray for us.
I prefer to play it safe and do both. And pray for the conversion of his attackers. Which would send quite a message to the secular elites in Europe that they can run from Europe’s faith but they can’t hide.
Outsourcing indeed. The French have a bit of an anti-clerical history:
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/they-sang-all-the-way-to-the-guillotine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dechristianization_of_France_during_the_French_Revolution
The DeChristianization of revolutionary France reminds one of current American leftist policy, albeit of greater magnitude.
The French also have history of knowing how to get rid of religious minorities. St Bartholomew’s Day and their collaboration with the Final Solution come to mind.
Don’t understand the title. Are you asserting that the bloodletting of jihadists in France is part of the French state’s anti-clerical worldview? It seems somewhat perverse and very leftist to try to shoehorn jihadist murders into the history of French (and Spanish) Catholic pogroms. If so then present Muslim distempers in France (and Belgium, and Sweden, and Germany …) could be contained and the refugees integrated into an open and liberal Europe. No hope of that.
If the French state were permitting the targeting of Catholics while fending off attacks in nightclubs, on boulevards, in newsrooms and, naturally, in synagogues and kosher markets I’d see the point of the title. I’m afraid the parallel is with Vichy not Vendee.
As y’all know, I believe Islam itself is problematic and should be discouraged precisely because of Mohammed and Islam’s early history.
But to be fair, here’s an anti-ISIS protest by British muslims, with a hat tip to former Ricochet member Rachel Lu.
I think this gets to the point (h/t to Annika):
Willful blindness is the complaint.
Yes indeed,, my Daughters “acted” in the crowd scenes for both the execution of Louis XVI and the Carmelites while all of my black powder rifles (5) were carried unloaded by the lads in the battles. The Morlinos who produced the film are very good people and the families involved the best.
Very well said.
From Vatican Radio:
From Evangelii Gaudium:
They are “shocked” because they have their heads so deeply buried in the PC sand on the true nature of Islam. Have these people at the Holy See not been paying attention? This is willful ignorance. They need to pay more attention to the likes of Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke.
And the sad deep reality. But neither Robbespierre nor General Carrier were notable for willful blindness towards or indecisive weak-kneed responses to perceived threats. The French Government’s lethal politically correct attitudes have little to nothing to do with anti-Catholic sentiment. The charge of intentional outsourcing is somewhat nutty. It may have much to do with complete lack of confidence and love for their own religious, philosophical and civic traditions, but that doesn’t amount to outsourcing pogroms.
If this bloodthirsty attack were made in a Quaker meeting house in Boston, we’d see the same weak, correct response from city leaders and probably similar prayers for the killers. But I wouldn’t try to relate it to the murder of Mary Dyer.
Maybe I’m just misreading the title.
I wonder, were there similar statements with the atrocities perpetrated in Churches of northern Iraq or other parts of the Middle East?
It’s always the same PC nonsense of decrying senseless violence.
They have yet to realize that violence makes sense to Islam – it furthers their cause to have us submit.
I have not seen the Holy See directly call out Islam as the problem, although the Pope has on one or two occasions admitted to genocide against Christians in the ME.
Perfect distillation.
If only one of France’s great novelists would write on that submission theme…
Here’s the results page when you search for Houellebecq’s novel on Audible.
I guess it looks a little like Abu Ghraib.
As usual, Europe is a leading indicator. Expect similar incidents in the US in the future unless something changes. Can’t say we weren’t warned.
It is shocking, extremely sad, and scary – what is happening in this world – I had a hard time sleeping last night thinking about it then saw this story this morning.
Mike – they kill Muslims too – it’s like saying Hitler and the Nazis were Christians – ISIS, Bin Laden and all the radical groups like them all over the world killing and all the other hateful acts they perform want war with the west so they can be the saviors of their faith – but they have no faith – just like Hitler had none. It is born of evil –
So what exactly would a ‘wake up call’ have to be to get some real action?
This is a spectacle killing and it is be played down… again.
The church talks about- ‘our respect for true followers of Islam should lead us to avoid hateful generalisations’… how ‘general’ does it have to be to see a systemic wave of violent deaths in the name of Islam?
Mike – they kill Muslims too – it’s like saying Hitler and the Nazis were Christians – ISIS, Bin Laden and all the radical groups like them all over the world killing and all the other hateful acts they perform want war with the west so they can be the saviors of their faith – but they have no faith – just like Hitler had none. It is born of evil –
Wow, this is extreme equivocation. The Muslims all claim their religion, Hitler claimed none. Whether you want to associate religion with Nazism is an entirely different matter. The Muslim community is killing inside the Muslim community over purity of faith not over some sociological, political differences.
No one inside the Muslim faith is saying their differences aren’t based on their religion so why are we separating this? In the end cut throats are still cut throats.
The Church is not of this earth – if she succumbs to hate, the devil wins. Wish the book Father Elijah would become a movie.
Claire is going to get back to me regarding the French attitude towards their revolution, which seems to me to be a particularly sordid and unsuccessful episode.
Bastille Day is celebrated to this day, yet the actual day featured heads on pikes. And those were the heroes.
Ford Penney – the Church won’t take a stand with violence – even from the time Jesus was accused, He did not defend Himself – even on the cross when He was taunted by the devil that He could save himself, He would not. That’s the message. Isn’t it the job of the French officials to protect their churches and citizens – they are obviously not on a high enough alert or up to date in intelligence gathering – obviously the churches and synagogues need protection and a public plan announced to step up vigilance in all areas – that was a soft target. There is a bigger picture at work here –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-cPxNkrD9k
Voltaire had some remarkably stupid things to say about Islam.
Pseudo – that was a great video – thanks! I did not mean that Christians don’t fight back, I meant clergy. I think we have to defend ourselves, which means protect the churches, clergy, synagogues, do everything we can with all we have to fight the enemy. But in that video, the Moor leader said he was taking advantage of a country that was fighting with itself – it reminded me of ours and this election. God rises up leaders in the least expected – GWB was one – can you imagine Gore? He didn’t do some things right, but he knew how to fight back. The world faces formidable foes (not just radical Islam) and you are right, appeasement won’t work. Europe has been slow getting this message –
Not like the Catholic Church of yore. Jesuits. Crusades.
I just read this aloud to my husband and he said that, by this logic, the police should not have shot at the attackers.