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  1. Owen Findy Inactive
    Owen Findy
    @OwenFindy

    Whiskey Sam:It’s too late for a third party to materialize this cycle. The time to form one was two years ago to have a serious shot this time. Embrace the suck.

    Start or join a third party for the long haul.

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  2. Kozak Member
    Kozak
    @Kozak

    iWe:

    Owen Findy: I have yet to read one that suggests we all move to the Libertarian Party.

    I have said I am very likely to vote Libertarian this cycle.

    In keeping with Claires theme to start this…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAT_BuJAI70

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  3. Kozak Member
    Kozak
    @Kozak

    Front Seat Cat:

    ctlaw:

    Claire Berlinski, Ed.:

    Is there anyone who could step in now and save us from these hideous space reptiles?

    You really don’t get it. For a large number of people, that was why Trump got into the race. They don’t care that he may also have issues.

    I also worry that a third party candidate would hand Hillary the nomination on a silver plate

    I expect a ton of Soros cash will be out there encouraging just this…

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  4. Guruforhire Inactive
    Guruforhire
    @Guruforhire

    starnescl:

    Those things need a new coalition.

    I don’t disagree entirely.  The ties that bind were weak, but they did and do exist.  The problem looking back and forward is toxic culture and communication within the dominate faction.

    Lets say that a new coalition is necessary.  Toxic culture prevents attracting the mostly like minded.

    Social media puts toxic behavior front and center.  The coalition is melting down because people are more in touch with conservatives.

    Due to decreasing diversity after decades of reading any heterodoxy out of the movement, negative feedback is not being received or ignored.

    This is the death of most organizations.

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  5. Kozak Member
    Kozak
    @Kozak

    Merina Smith:

    Yes–this is quite brilliant. But what about Rick Perry? Do you think he’d take Texas? Unfortunately it doesn’t look like Rubio takes Florida, or I’d be all over a Perry/Rubio ticket. I’d hate to put Kasich in the bunch, and he might end up as Trump’s veep anyway, but what other large states would serve the purpose?

    Come on. Your third party splits conservative/GOP/ #NeverHillary

    votes between them even in those states. Clinton wins. End of story.

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  6. Owen Findy Inactive
    Owen Findy
    @OwenFindy

    starnescl:I don’t think about this as a third party, which seems diminutive.

    It will have to be a new primary party, able to secure majorities.

    This is exactly how Randy Barnett clarified, via Twitter, what he had meant in his USA Today piece.

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  7. Merina Smith Inactive
    Merina Smith
    @MerinaSmith

    Kozak:

    Merina Smith:

    Yes–this is quite brilliant. But what about Rick Perry? Do you think he’d take Texas? Unfortunately it doesn’t look like Rubio takes Florida, or I’d be all over a Perry/Rubio ticket. I’d hate to put Kasich in the bunch, and he might end up as Trump’s veep anyway, but what other large states would serve the purpose?

    Come on. Your third party splits conservative/GOP/ #NeverHillary

    votes between them even in those states. Clinton wins. End of story.

    Clinton wins a things now stand.  Let’s give people one sensible choice.

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  8. Kozak Member
    Kozak
    @Kozak

    Son of Spengler:Grab the ear of a large donor who can pick up the phone and say to Perry, “The country needs you — and I will back you.” As I wrote above, I think donor resources are the limiting factor.

    Contact these guys. I’m sure they are good for a couple of billion.

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  9. Owen Findy Inactive
    Owen Findy
    @OwenFindy

    CB Toder aka Mama Toad: Austin Petersen and Gary Johnson debate:

    I heard Petersen on Steven Crowder and liked him quite a bit.

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  10. MarciN Member
    MarciN
    @MarciN

    We need to be thinking strategically right now.

    Nixon enjoyed a landslide victory just months before the tide turned so quickly and decisively against him.

    I really see this scenario for Trump. He simply has too much out there simmering against him.

    I read somewhere that the Republicans knew these troubles were coming and they wanted to get rid of Agnew first.

    We really need to be thinking that way.

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  11. Kozak Member
    Kozak
    @Kozak

    Merina Smith:

    Kozak:

    Merina Smith:

    Yes–this is quite brilliant. But what about Rick Perry? Do you think he’d take Texas? Unfortunately it doesn’t look like Rubio takes Florida, or I’d be all over a Perry/Rubio ticket. I’d hate to put Kasich in the bunch, and he might end up as Trump’s veep anyway, but what other large states would serve the purpose?

    Come on. Your third party splits conservative/GOP/ #NeverHillary

    votes between them even in those states. Clinton wins. End of story.

    Clinton wins a things now stand. Let’s give people one sensible choice.

    Right. Surrender now. That’s the spirit.

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  12. Owen Findy Inactive
    Owen Findy
    @OwenFindy

    iWe: How about encouraging the Libertarian party to put Rand Paul or even Ted Cruz as their candidate???

    I’d like this; I imagine the L’s would … again … be intransigent, rather than move the ball a hair in right direction.

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  13. Guruforhire Inactive
    Guruforhire
    @Guruforhire

    MarciN:We need to be thinking strategically right now.

    Nixon enjoyed a landslide victory just months before the tide turned so quickly and decisively against him.

    I really see this scenario for Trump. He simply has too much out there simmering against him.

    I read somewhere that the Republicans knew these troubles were coming and they wanted to get rid of Agnew first.

    We really need to be thinking that way.

    I am inclined to agree.  The success could be spectacular, but he could easily derail equally spectacularly.

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  14. MoltoVivace Inactive
    MoltoVivace
    @MoltoVivace

    Good luck. No politician of any (political) worth is going to want to take the slaughter that comes with a third-party run.

    I was watching CNN yesterday and one of the “NeverTrumpers” said something along the lines of:

    “I’m going to leave breaking off and starting a third-party to… other people. I’ll just look forward to voting for whoever it is.”

    Translation:

    “I’m not a leader. I’m a follower. Someone else please stand up so I can follow you.”

    Yeah… good luck winning with that one. A movement without a leader is about as useful as an [REDACTED] on an elbow.

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  15. Mate De Inactive
    Mate De
    @MateDe

    anonymous:

    I’m aware some people here dislike Gary Johnson, but at this point does he look all that bad compared to the alternatives of Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?

    Yes, Gary Johnson is that bad. He said he would force Jewish bakers to make Nazi cakes, and supports mental health screening before being able to buy a gun.  I know some of you may think it is reasonable but can interpretation can be onerous and is ripe for abuse, also not Libertarian. If you must go Libertarian go Austin Petersen. Gary Johnson has more name reconition but isn’t that Libertarian (in my opinion) with those positions.

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  16. Whiskey Sam Inactive
    Whiskey Sam
    @WhiskeySam

    Mate De:

    anonymous:

    I’m aware some people here dislike Gary Johnson, but at this point does he look all that bad compared to the alternatives of Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?

    Yes, Gary Johnson is that bad. He said he would force Jewish bakers to make Nazi cakes, and supports mental health screening before being able to buy a gun. I know some of you may think it is reasonable but can interpretation can be onerous and is ripe for abuse, also not Libertarian. If you must go Libertarian go Austin Petersen. Gary Johnson has more name reconition but isn’t that Libertarian (in my opinion) with those positions.

    If you watch Johnson for more than five minutes when he’s on Red Eye, there’s also a good chance he’s bat crap crazy.

    • #106
  17. Mate De Inactive
    Mate De
    @MateDe

    Whiskey Sam:

    Mate De:

    anonymous:

    I’m aware some people here dislike Gary Johnson, but at this point does he look all that bad compared to the alternatives of Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?

    Yes, Gary Johnson is that bad. He said he would force Jewish bakers to make Nazi cakes, and supports mental health screening before being able to buy a gun. I know some of you may think it is reasonable but can interpretation can be onerous and is ripe for abuse, also not Libertarian. If you must go Libertarian go Austin Petersen. Gary Johnson has more name reconition but isn’t that Libertarian (in my opinion) with those positions.

    If you watch Johnson for more than five minutes when he’s on Red Eye, there’s also a good chance he’s bat crap crazy.

    I think he’s smoke a bit too much weed in his day.

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  18. Nick Stuart Inactive
    Nick Stuart
    @NickStuart

    Want a 3rd party, the time to get started is November 9, 2016.

    Start by electing some township trustees. If a 3rd party can’t elect a forest preserve commissioner or school board member, it sure as heck won’t be able to elect a president.

    Meanwhile, it’s Trump or Clinton. Pick one to support and own it.

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  19. Frank Soto Member
    Frank Soto
    @FrankSoto

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  20. Guruforhire Inactive
    Guruforhire
    @Guruforhire

    Nick Stuart:Want a 3rd party, the time to get started is November 9, 2016.

    Start by electing some township trustees. If a 3rd party can’t elect a forest preserve commissioner or school board member, it sure as heck won’t be able to elect a president.

    Meanwhile, it’s Trump or Clinton. Pick one to support and own it.

    This is probably the best strategy presented so far.

    • #110
  21. Jager Coolidge
    Jager
    @Jager

    Nick Stuart: Want a 3rd party, the time to get started is November 9, 2016

    Yeah, it is not enough to put forward someone, anyone, 6 months before the election and call them the “conservative” choice. What do they stand for besides not being Trump. Is their view closer to Ted Cruz, Rand Paul or Jeb Bush. People defended Jeb as being Conservative.

    The wrong choice for your 3rd party candidate could be worse than no 3rd choice for the future of conservatism. This is not something to work out on the fly in a short period.

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  22. Duane Oyen Member
    Duane Oyen
    @DuaneOyen

    No, there is no one who realistically can save us.  But we need to oppose Trump and Hillary as a matter of principle, even though it is a lost cause.

    Coburn or Romney, either one is fine.

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  23. Brad2971 Member
    Brad2971
    @

    Lucy Pevensie:Here’s a writer on Redstate making the case for Governor Perry.

    Does Rick Perry want a situation where his native Texas has no say in his election? The deadline for independent candidates to file for President is on Monday, May 9.

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  24. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
    CB Toder aka Mama Toad
    @CBToderakaMamaToad

    Owen Findy:

    CB Toder aka Mama Toad: Austin Petersen and Gary Johnson debate:

    I heard Petersen on Steven Crowder and liked him quite a bit.

    Petersen comes in at about 23:30

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  25. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
    CB Toder aka Mama Toad
    @CBToderakaMamaToad

    Mate De:

    anonymous:

    I’m aware some people here dislike Gary Johnson, but at this point does he look all that bad compared to the alternatives of Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?

    Yes, Gary Johnson is that bad. He said he would force Jewish bakers to make Nazi cakes, and supports mental health screening before being able to buy a gun. I know some of you may think it is reasonable but can interpretation can be onerous and is ripe for abuse, also not Libertarian. If you must go Libertarian go Austin Petersen. Gary Johnson has more name reconition but isn’t that Libertarian (in my opinion) with those positions.

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  26. James Gawron Inactive
    James Gawron
    @JamesGawron

    Frank Soto:

    Frank,

    Kodos has larger tentacles and drools less. He’s the obvious choice.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  27. Owen Findy Inactive
    Owen Findy
    @OwenFindy

    Mate De: Yes, Gary Johnson is that bad. He said he would force Jewish bakers to make Nazi cakes, and supports mental health screening before being able to buy a gun. I know some of you may think it is reasonable but can interpretation can be onerous and is ripe for abuse, also not Libertarian. If you must go Libertarian go Austin Petersen.

    I agree about Petersen.  The two points you make about Johnson were made on Crowder’s show.

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  28. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
    The Cloaked Gaijin
    @TheCloakedGaijin

    I Walton:Republicans destroyed Rubio…

    I wasn’t aware that Chuck Schumer was a Republican now.  Rubio destroyed himself.  He’s an adult.  He knew what he was doing.

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  29. Merina Smith Inactive
    Merina Smith
    @MerinaSmith

    Brad2971:

    Lucy Pevensie:Here’s a writer on Redstate making the case for Governor Perry.

    Does Rick Perry want a situation where his native Texas has no say in his election? The deadline for independent candidates to file for President is on Monday, May 9.

    It doesn’t matter.  People can write him in.

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  30. Lucy Pevensie Inactive
    Lucy Pevensie
    @LucyPevensie

    Merina Smith:

    Brad2971:

    Lucy Pevensie:Here’s a writer on Redstate making the case for Governor Perry.

    Does Rick Perry want a situation where his native Texas has no say in his election? The deadline for independent candidates to file for President is on Monday, May 9.

    It doesn’t matter. People can write him in.

    I said it a long time ago, and I’ll say it again: I see no reason why the people of Texas could not change their ballot rules for  this, exceptional situation.

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