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Please Save Us, Third Party Candidate
Is there anyone who could step in now and save us from these hideous space reptiles?
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I was in it for Gilmore, because I thought he could unite the factions and said so repeatedly.
Now, I am in favor of calling the queen to apologize for the tragic mistake, and seek her mercy.
Or most likely belligerent alienation.
Experience is giving us a re-education in factions and coalitions.
Guru, the camp you seem to be with only represents a slim majority, possibly only a plurality, of a “party” that is less than half of likely voters.
That camp, while more sizable at the moment, is equally powerless on it’s own and has no special claim to power or leadership.
Again, what is now obvious is that there are real, deal-breaker differences in the factions that made up the Republican coalition.
In and of itself, there is nothing un-natural or wrong about that. It’s not criminal. However, none of us have reckoned with the explicit loss of power that follows from it.
We’re about to see it first hand and will have to re-learn how to reform winning coalitions on different ties that bind.
Lack of power will provide enormous pressure to reform, but nothing says it has to or even can happen.
Check your premise: a large segment of Republicans are more interested in keeping Trump out of the White House, rather than Clinton. #never trump
Charming, to the last.
Very interesting. The most promising third-party strategy I’ve seen yet. Though I’d remove some names and insert others.
I will not stand idly by and see Dominos Pizza smeared in this manner
Those of us you derisively call “True Conservatives” have failed to persuade people that liberty is better than paternalism. But it looks as if you’re not even in the game. It’s hard to take your criticisms seriously when you’re just carping from the sidelines.
Sure, we all feel like retreating to our cabin in the woods and denouncing all other humans as fools once in awhile, but when I feel that way myself, I tend to think I am wanting to take the coward’s way out. Also, I have grandkids and I care very much about the future for their sakes.
Sigh!!!!
All I have ever said is that the smart move is to let the populist faction have their turn, and then run your guy in 2020.
It builds a culture of good faith within the party that is sorely needed after 20 years of internal communication boiling down to “Shut up and send money.” (especially in 2012, Ricochet was about nothing other) Now its your turn to shut up and send money.
Then in 2020 you will probably return to running the show.
I don’t believe the problems are so much ideological so much as a long standing toxic culture.
The wise move is to swallow your pride and play nice with the other children. Then go out for a pizza party later.
It’s too late for a third party to materialize this cycle. The time to form one was two years ago to have a serious shot this time. Embrace the suck.
Yes–this is quite brilliant. But what about Rick Perry? Do you think he’d take Texas? Unfortunately it doesn’t look like Rubio takes Florida, or I’d be all over a Perry/Rubio ticket. I’d hate to put Kasich in the bunch, and he might end up as Trump’s veep anyway, but what other large states would serve the purpose?
Claire,
If you are going to start a third party the first thing you need is a platform. Give it a catchy title. How about “To Serve Man”
Ahh…never mind.
Regards,
Jim
Not a whole party, just a candidate. Sasse is right that a WHOLE lot of people feel they have no one to vote for. Let’s give them someone to vote for.
Perry was low on my list at the start of the campaign, because of his condescension to border hawks and his decision to hire a staff of losing GOP establishmentarians. But for the purposes of a narrowly-targeted third-party run in this cycle, he might have the best shot. After all, he was among the first to come out as strongly anti-Trump.
I don’t think the running mate would make much difference as long as there were some diversity (demographic, ideological, and/or professional): Rubio? Cruz? Fiorina? What’s more important is that there is someone at the top who is prepared to fight smart and fight hard.
It would still be a longshot.
I know very little about Johnson, but I agree with anonymous that he is the only viable third-party option we have.
It would, but worth the effort. How do we get this underway? A twitter campaign? I’m a Luddite and do nothing more modern than email and face book. Who here has some idea how to get a grassroots idea underway?
Glad I said “seems to be with” when talking about your allegiance. I would have been making assumptions.
And, what you just said makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, I think we see the “establishment” types really did despise the “populist” types … and vice-versa.
The ties that held the coalition together were tenuous. Always hard to know until the break happens.
But, these breaks only happen every several decades or so. So, it’s always unexpected and unknown what’s going on and what to do.
I think these two groups simply have different platforms and are only now realizing it and it feels bitter. But, there is nothing abnormal at all about these two groups being separate. It’s just that they haven’t been that makes it so acrimonious.
Of course, it’s a blow to me because this is the coalition that was the effective protector of things I think are of great importance.
Those things need a new coalition.
Where’s the infrastructure going to magically appear from for this campaign? On the wildly improbable chance they win, how will they get anything accomplished when they will have to take on both political parties in Congress? The time to start talking new third party was two years ago. If people are serious about this, win or lose for the GOP in November, they should immediately start working on forming a new party after the election so they will be ready for the mid-terms in 2018.
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And I wasn’t trying to be profound with that last sentence.
I think it’s just the practical reality: the old coalition that in contrast stood for liberty has fractured – and was arguably already smaller than the rival, progressive coalition.
If this is true there WILL be a power vacuum and pressure to find a new coalition on new footing. I don’t think about this as a third party, which seems diminutive.
It will have to be a new primary party, able to secure majorities. Messy business, but that seems to be what’s in store. Of course, maybe not, but I believe that less-and-less every day.
Grab the ear of a large donor who can pick up the phone and say to Perry, “The country needs you — and I will back you.” As I wrote above, I think donor resources are the limiting factor.
Or start by writing a brief R> post, hope it gets promoted, then share it like mad.
This thread is why Ricochet will die if there are no closed groups. We have a large group of like-minded people here trying to have a serious discussion, and it is derailed by a small and obstreperous group of trolls.
Austin Petersen and Gary Johnson debate:
Put me in the Third Party Now camp.
It is not true that it is too late.
The Internet moves at the speed of light.
That is what Trump has maximized.
We can too. Use what we have learned from him about mass marketing and politics to save ourselves.
The times have changed. We have jets now. We don’t have to walk across the country anymore.
The biggest reason to do this and not wait one more second:
Trump is a highly volatile stick of dynamite. We have no idea what will happen over the next few months.
We really should be ready to move. Anything can happen. Trump was a surprise. We can be too.
This seems a bit much…
How about encouraging the Libertarian party to put Rand Paul or even Ted Cruz as their candidate???
You’re right. They left. I wrote this before I got to the last page. I should have said, “trying to derail the conversation,” fortunately unsuccessfully.
This happens, esp. when comments fly…
Here’s a writer on Redstate making the case for Governor Perry.
Rand Paul, I think (and I could be wrong), is too committed to the party. But who knows…