You Are Hereby Ordered …

 

shutterstock_403591747Imagine you’ve been convicted of no crime — in fact, imagine you’ve not even been charged with a crime — but have been incarcerated for nearly seven months. This is the current situation of a former Philadelphia police sergeant who has been housed at a federal detention center for refusing to comply with a court order to divulge information which could be used to charge and convict him of possessing child pornography. During an investigation into users of a secure file sharing network, he became a person of interest, and a warrant was served on his residence to collect evidence to support the government’s suspicions. Authorities sized two encrypted hard drives during the search, but lack the ability to view their contents unless unlocked by a password. When the man evoked his 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination at a grand jury, the presiding judge ruled that he could not be compelled to provide the encryption passcodes for the drives. Failing to secure an indictment through the normal process, prosecutors turned to federal courts.

On the affidavit of Homeland Security agent (what DHS has to do with a local child porn case is beyond my ken) a warrant was issued by the federal court for a search of the hard drives. “After obtaining the warrant, the government made an application pursuant to the All Writs Act, 28 U.S.C. § 1651, for an order compelling Mr. Doe to ‘produce’ the drives ‘in an unencrypted state’ … Magistrate Judge Thomas J. Rueter so ordered.” Upon instruction from the judge, the man entered several passcodes that failed to unlock the devices. When ordered to explain his inability to successfully unlock the devices he refused, was held in contempt, and has been jailed since, without conviction and without charges being brought against him. The case is now on appeal to the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

If some of this sounds familiar, it is because the FBI used the All Writs Act in an attempt to compel Apple to unlock the iPhone San Bernardino county had issued Syed Faroook before he murdered 14 of his co-workers in the name of the Islamic State. The difference here is the government is using the act in an attempt to compel a person of interest in a criminal investigation to provide information which could lead to his arrest and conviction of a very serious crime. It seems absolutely clear to me that using the All Writs Act in this manner is in direct violation of the 5th Amendment.

Has the government overreached in this? I’m no lawyer, but it seems overwhelmingly obvious to me that the prosecutors can’t simply lock a person up until he provides them enough evidence to get a conviction, especially when the person hasn’t even been charged with a crime.

Published in Domestic Policy, Law
Like this post? Want to comment? Join Ricochet’s community of conservatives and be part of the conversation. Join Ricochet for Free.

There are 170 comments.

Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.
  1. Klaatu Inactive
    Klaatu
    @Klaatu

    Lazy_Millennial:

    Klaatu:

    Lazy_Millennial:

    Klaatu:The issuance of a warrant has always carried with it an ability to use force if necessary to execute it.

    No, it hasn’t. A warrant gives the government agents the right to try. No guaranteed success.

    I’d compare the government’s position here to that of a man being ordered to translate his own writings that are in a language different than the government wants. Actually that’s exactly what’s happening here, since the hard drives have info encoded in a way that makes it gibberish without the password.

    This isn’t a “hard” legal issue. It’s just one where the government doesn’t get what it wants.

    The ability to try includes the use of force. No one is arguing there is any guarantee of success.

    I disagree. We have a search warrant system for a reason and the ability to hide evidence of a crime in a safe that cannot be opened presents a difficult problem.

    Again we disagree. Like papers written in code, this isn’t a difficult problem, just one where the government doesn’t get what it wants. The government gets a warrant to try to investigate, but they can’t force the defendant to help them. Your whole “difficult problem” is a case where the government’s “trying” can’t open a safe, aka where their success isn’t guaranteed.

    It is difficult because we have achieved a balance of sort with regard to the other situations (suspect won’t open door or safe) but we have not yet figured out a way to balance conflicting needs in this type of case.

    • #61
  2. David Knights Member
    David Knights
    @DavidKnights

    Frank Soto:Even if you grant that he should be punished in some manner for his obstruction of justice, then he should be charged with a crime. Holding him indefinitely is clearly unconstitutional.

    No, it clearly is not, at least when it comes to contempt.  Keep in mind, the defendant has two paths to freedom.  One, is to purge himself of the contempt. (i.e. testify as to why he didn’t enter the right code.) or two, get a higher court to say his behavior is not punishable as contempt.  He has chosen the second route.  He may not have chosen wisely.  If the Third Circuit says it is a valid use of the contempt power, and the Supremes don’t intervene, then he will sit in jail, indefinitely and quite constitutionally, until he purges himself of the contempt charge.

    • #62
  3. TomJedrz Member
    TomJedrz
    @TomJedrz

    David Knights:

    Frank Soto:Even if you grant that he should be punished in some manner for his obstruction of justice, then he should be charged with a crime. Holding him indefinitely is clearly unconstitutional.

    No, it clearly is not, at least when it comes to contempt. Keep in mind, the defendant has two paths to freedom. One, is to purge himself of the contempt. (i.e. testify as to why he didn’t enter the right code.) or two, get a higher court to say his behavior is not punishable as contempt. He has chosen the second route. He may not have chosen wisely. If the Third Circuit says it is a valid use of the contempt power, and the Supremes don’t intervene, then he will sit in jail, indefinitely and quite constitutionally, until he purges himself of the contempt charge.

    My understanding is that he did testify, stating that he has forgotten the codes.  The judge did not believe him, and threw him in jail.

    I disagree with that completely.  The judge can order him arrested for contempt, at which point it is a criminal charge, just like any other criminal charge, with an arraignment, bail, etc.  None of that has apparently happened, just a cycle of question, no answer, back to jail.

    IMO this is judicial tyranny.  The judge in question should be impeached.

    • #63
  4. Frank Soto Member
    Frank Soto
    @FrankSoto

    David Knights:

    Frank Soto:Even if you grant that he should be punished in some manner for his obstruction of justice, then he should be charged with a crime. Holding him indefinitely is clearly unconstitutional.

    No, it clearly is not, at least when it comes to contempt. Keep in mind, the defendant has two paths to freedom. One, is to purge himself of the contempt. (i.e. testify as to why he didn’t enter the right code.) or two, get a higher court to say his behavior is not punishable as contempt. He has chosen the second route. He may not have chosen wisely. If the Third Circuit says it is a valid use of the contempt power, and the Supremes don’t intervene, then he will sit in jail, indefinitely and quite constitutionally, until he purges himself of the contempt charge.

    No, contempt does not get to bypass the requirements of the constitution.  Disguising it as “Well, once we have his confession, we won’t need to jail him indefinitely any longer” does not improve the situation.

    • #64
  5. Mike H Inactive
    Mike H
    @MikeH

    Klaatu:

    Hypatia:

    And the bad news in my humble opinion: that we put people in prison for just looking at pictures. I don’t care WHAT pictures, although I recognize that child porn is the least appealing instance. I think I remember from law school ( and admittedly, criminal law hasn’t been my field of practice) that for criminal liability, there has to be some actual step, some action, however slight, in the direction of committing a crime. Whatever bad, destructive, seditious, perverse thing you’re thinking–or saying or writing–cannot be the subject of criminal prosecution unless you act on it or start at least preparing to act on it.

    Unless and until this Defendant inappropriately fondles some little relative or tries to arrange to meet a 12 yr old online, he shouldn’t even be under investigation.

    Here we must disagree. The recipient of child pornography is part of an enterprise that exploits and causes real harm to children. We not only have the right but the obligation to protect children.

    Does jailing consumers actually have an appreciable effect to reduce the production of the pornography, or does it just give society the feeling that they are “doing something” and signaling disapproval?

    • #65
  6. The King Prawn Inactive
    The King Prawn
    @TheKingPrawn

    My understanding of the steps so far are this:

    • Suspected due to file sharing
    • Search warrant executed, one computer, one cell phone, and two external hard drives collected
    • Computer decrypted using a backup key found on the cell phone — no illegal material discovered on the computer
    • Presiding judge at grand jury rules he cannot be compelled against his right against self-incrimination to provide the passcodes to the encrypted external drives
    • Prosecutors then make it a federal case in order to use the All Writs Act to compel him to unlock the drives
    • Federal court orders him to unlock the drives
    • Subject tries but fails to unlock the drives
    • Federal court orders him to testify against himself as to why he failed
    • Subject refuses to testify and is held in contempt

    For me this breaks down at the moment the prosecution starts jurisdiction shopping. The All Writs Act only grants authority to SCOTUS and courts created by Congress. I view both the order to act and the order to testify contrary to the 5th Amendment protections, All Writs Act be damned. No law can be used to override the rights detailed in the Constitution, and especially not just because the state really, really needs the law to do so.

    • #66
  7. The King Prawn Inactive
    The King Prawn
    @TheKingPrawn

    Mike H: Does jailing consumers actually have an appreciable effect to reduce the production of the pornography, or does it just give society the feeling that they are “doing something” and signaling disapproval?

    This is an aside and one I actually agree with, even though child porn is tricky. It’s not like one can claim he didn’t know the material was illegal.

    • #67
  8. Klaatu Inactive
    Klaatu
    @Klaatu

    Mike H:

    Klaatu:

    Hypatia:

    And the bad news in my humble opinion: that we put people in prison for just looking at pictures. I don’t care WHAT pictures, although I recognize that child porn is the least appealing instance. I think I remember from law school ( and admittedly, criminal law hasn’t been my field of practice) that for criminal liability, there has to be some actual step, some action, however slight, in the direction of committing a crime. Whatever bad, destructive, seditious, perverse thing you’re thinking–or saying or writing–cannot be the subject of criminal prosecution unless you act on it or start at least preparing to act on it.

    Unless and until this Defendant inappropriately fondles some little relative or tries to arrange to meet a 12 yr old online, he shouldn’t even be under investigation.

    Here we must disagree. The recipient of child pornography is part of an enterprise that exploits and causes real harm to children. We not only have the right but the obligation to protect children.

    Does jailing consumers actually have an appreciable effect to reduce the production of the pornography, or does it just give society the feeling that they are “doing something” and signaling disapproval?

    I do not know but I also have no problem with signaling disapproval.

    • #68
  9. Fritz Coolidge
    Fritz
    @Fritz

    A-Squared:Obstructing a lawful investigation is not.

    Unless the refusnik is the very object of the lawful investigation. In that case, the 5th Amt says the government cannot compel self-incrimination.

    • #69
  10. The King Prawn Inactive
    The King Prawn
    @TheKingPrawn

    Fritz:

    A-Squared:Obstructing a lawful investigation is not.

    Unless the refusnik is the very object of the lawful investigation. In that case, the 5th Amt says the government cannot compel self-incrimination.

    Exactly. There are two competing goods here, and the 5th predetermines which one preempts the other.

    • #70
  11. Mike H Inactive
    Mike H
    @MikeH

    The King Prawn:

    Mike H: Does jailing consumers actually have an appreciable effect to reduce the production of the pornography, or does it just give society the feeling that they are “doing something” and signaling disapproval?

    This is an aside and one I actually agree with, even though child porn is tricky. It’s not like one can claim he didn’t know the material was illegal.

    It depends. I think when we imagine “child pornography” we’re thinking about a 12 year old, not a 17 year old. The 17 year old is just as illegal. Maybe he has a lot of porn on his hard drives and he’s afraid someone, anyone, might be below 18.

    • #71
  12. The King Prawn Inactive
    The King Prawn
    @TheKingPrawn

    Mike H:

    The King Prawn:

    Mike H: Does jailing consumers actually have an appreciable effect to reduce the production of the pornography, or does it just give society the feeling that they are “doing something” and signaling disapproval?

    This is an aside and one I actually agree with, even though child porn is tricky. It’s not like one can claim he didn’t know the material was illegal.

    It depends. I think when we imagine “child pornography” we’re thinking about a 12 year old, not a 17 year old. The 17 year old is just as illegal.

    Indeed. And we start getting into the murky waters of consent where the ticking of a clock’s second hand can determine legality and illegality.

    • #72
  13. Mike H Inactive
    Mike H
    @MikeH

    Klaatu:

    Mike H:

    Klaatu:

    Hypatia:

    And the bad news in my humble opinion: that we put people in prison for just looking at pictures. I don’t care WHAT pictures, although I recognize that child porn is the least appealing instance. I think I remember from law school ( and admittedly, criminal law hasn’t been my field of practice) that for criminal liability, there has to be some actual step, some action, however slight, in the direction of committing a crime. Whatever bad, destructive, seditious, perverse thing you’re thinking–or saying or writing–cannot be the subject of criminal prosecution unless you act on it or start at least preparing to act on it.

    Unless and until this Defendant inappropriately fondles some little relative or tries to arrange to meet a 12 yr old online, he shouldn’t even be under investigation.

    Here we must disagree. The recipient of child pornography is part of an enterprise that exploits and causes real harm to children. We not only have the right but the obligation to protect children.

    Does jailing consumers actually have an appreciable effect to reduce the production of the pornography, or does it just give society the feeling that they are “doing something” and signaling disapproval?

    I do not know but I also have no problem with signaling disapproval.

    Me neither, but the signal might become so strong so that it’s actually an injustice to the perpetrator.

    • #73
  14. Salvatore Padula Inactive
    Salvatore Padula
    @SalvatorePadula

    So I’m at the DMV and can’t give this the attention I’d like, but basically the same issue was raise on a post by Tom. My thoughts can be found there.

    http://ricochet.com/building-a-digital-crowbar-questions-for-richard-epstein/comment-page-5/#comments

    • #74
  15. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    A-Squared:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Standing against tyranny is a fundamental right.

    Obstructing a lawful investigation is not.

    If the lawful investigation is an act of tyranny, it most certainly is.

    • #75
  16. A-Squared Inactive
    A-Squared
    @ASquared

    Fritz:

    A-Squared:Obstructing a lawful investigation is not.

    Unless the refusnik is the very object of the lawful investigation. In that case, the 5th Amt says the government cannot compel self-incrimination.

    Totally agree, and I’ve already said so in this thread.

    The first comment quoted (comment #10) was a response to my statement in comment #7.

    There is a fundamental difference. Apple did not have a 5th amendment right against self-incrimination.

    My point was, you have a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination, but other (non-spouses) are obligated by law to assist in an investigation.

    • #76
  17. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Klaatu:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Klaatu:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Klaatu:

    Bryan G. Stephens:Oh, but I thought Apple was a bad guy in their stand. How shocking a law is used for something other than its intended.

    Not sure I see the connection. Unless your objection is the all writs act itself.

    Any law, outside of common law, no matter how well intentioned, will be turned against the people.

    This law has been around since the first Congress. It is not new. What is new is the ability to hide electronic information with encryption law enforcement cannot break. Change this situation to one in which the information is in a safe rather than on a hard drive. Should the contents of the safe be shielded from examination under a valid warrant?

    I should not be jailed for refusing to give them the combination anymore than I have to tell them Where I hid the body.

    But that did not apply to Apple.


    .

    Nope. Apple was being ordered to damage their own product. The Feds demanded uncompensated labor and damage to the security of Apple’s product, not just in this one case, but in all phones everywhere.

    That is standing against tyranny. You, of course, can disagree.

    I might add, that the personal phone was destroyed, and all that was left was the work phone. Ya think that just maybe he did not plot to kill people via his work phone?

    • #77
  18. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    skipsul:

    A-Squared:To extend the safe analogy, I think the safe owner should not be required to open the safe, but the manufacturer of the safe should be required to help open the safe if ordered by the court.

    Well, the analogy falls a little flat in the sense that the safe can be taken apart, with or without the safe manufacturer’s assistance (which I seriously doubt could actually be compelled). In other words, in extremis, brute force will get the contents in the end.

    In the case of encrypted data, there is no means to extract the contents short of a similar brute-force method. If the government has to use brute force on the safe, then they have to here as well.

    One could construct a safe that destroyed its contents if tampered with. Same deal.

    • #78
  19. A-Squared Inactive
    A-Squared
    @ASquared

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    A-Squared:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Standing against tyranny is a fundamental right.

    Obstructing a lawful investigation is not.

    If the lawful investigation is an act of tyranny, it most certainly is.

    I’m a big believer in civil disobedience, but I am also a big believer in the idea that civil disobedience obligates you to serve time for the crimes you committed in engaging in civil disobedience.

    Civil disobedience without punishment is just anarchy.

    I’m not a fan of anarchy.

    • #79
  20. Klaatu Inactive
    Klaatu
    @Klaatu

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Klaatu:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Klaatu:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Klaatu:

    Bryan G. Stephens:Oh, but I thought Apple was a bad guy in their stand. How shocking a law is used for something other than its intended.

    Not sure I see the connection. Unless your objection is the all writs act itself.

    Any law, outside of common law, no matter how well intentioned, will be turned against the people.

    This law has been around since the first Congress. It is not new. What is new is the ability to hide electronic information with encryption law enforcement cannot break. Change this situation to one in which the information is in a safe rather than on a hard drive. Should the contents of the safe be shielded from examination under a valid warrant?

    I should not be jailed for refusing to give them the combination anymore than I have to tell them Where I hid the body.

    But that did not apply to Apple.


    .

    Nope. Apple was being ordered to damage their own product. The Feds demanded uncompensated labor and damage to the security of Apple’s product, not just in this one case, but in all phones everywhere.

    That is standing against tyranny. You, of course, can disagree.

    I might add, that the personal phone was destroyed, and all that was left was the work phone. Ya think that just maybe he did not plot to kill people via his work phone?

    My understanding is the order applied only to the phone in question.  I’m not sure unlocking the phone constitutes damaging it.

    Should they have not searched his work desk either?

    • #80
  21. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Mike H:

    Klaatu:

    Hypatia:

    And the bad news in my humble opinion: that we put people in prison for just looking at pictures. I don’t care WHAT pictures, although I recognize that child porn is the least appealing instance. I think I remember from law school ( and admittedly, criminal law hasn’t been my field of practice) that for criminal liability, there has to be some actual step, some action, however slight, in the direction of committing a crime. Whatever bad, destructive, seditious, perverse thing you’re thinking–or saying or writing–cannot be the subject of criminal prosecution unless you act on it or start at least preparing to act on it.

    Unless and until this Defendant inappropriately fondles some little relative or tries to arrange to meet a 12 yr old online, he shouldn’t even be under investigation.

    Here we must disagree. The recipient of child pornography is part of an enterprise that exploits and causes real harm to children. We not only have the right but the obligation to protect children.

    Does jailing consumers actually have an appreciable effect to reduce the production of the pornography, or does it just give society the feeling that they are “doing something” and signaling disapproval?

    Knowing that the pictures are out there getting viewed does add to the trauma of the individual. Consuming the porn does, in that sense, add to the damage. There is not evidence that such consumption increases the acting out of individuals. In other words, there is not a need to “do something” to protect the community for that consumer of the porn, but they are contributing to a greater problem.

    • #81
  22. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Klaatu:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Klaatu:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Klaatu:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Klaatu:

    Bryan G. Stephens:Oh, but I thought Apple was a bad guy in their stand. How shocking a law is used for something other than its intended.

    Not sure I see the connection. Unless your objection is the all writs act itself.

    Any law, outside of common law, no matter how well intentioned, will be turned against the people.

    This law has been around since the first Congress. It is not new. What is new is the ability to hide electronic information with encryption law enforcement cannot break. Change this situation to one in which the information is in a safe rather than on a hard drive. Should the contents of the safe be shielded from examination under a valid warrant?

    I should not be jailed for refusing to give them the combination anymore than I have to tell them Where I hid the body.

    But that did not apply to Apple.


    .

    Nope. Apple was being ordered to damage their own product. The Feds demanded uncompensated labor and damage to the security of Apple’s product, not just in this one case, but in all phones everywhere.

    That is standing against tyranny. You, of course, can disagree.

    I might add, that the personal phone was destroyed, and all that was left was the work phone. Ya think that just maybe he did not plot to kill people via his work phone?

    My understanding is the order applied only to the phone in question. I’m not sure unlocking the phone constitutes damaging it.

    Should they have not searched his work desk either?

    They wanted a piece of software to unlock the phone, and then said “Trust us, it won’t get out”.

    Please. Every FBI review for every Federal employee got out because they put servers with that information on the internet.

    • #82
  23. skipsul Inactive
    skipsul
    @skipsul

    Klaatu: My understanding is the order applied only to the phone in question. I’m not sure unlocking the phone constitutes damaging it.

    It applied, in its technical fundamentals, to all phones.

    • #83
  24. Klaatu Inactive
    Klaatu
    @Klaatu

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Klaatu:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Klaatu:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Klaatu:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Klaatu:

    Bryan G. Stephens:Oh, but I thought Apple was a bad guy in their stand. How shocking a law is used for something other than its intended.

    Not sure I see the connection. Unless your objection is the all writs act itself.

    Any law, outside of common law, no matter how well intentioned, will be turned against the people.

    This law has been around since the first Congress. It is not new. What is new is the ability to hide electronic information with encryption law enforcement cannot break. Change this situation to one in which the information is in a safe rather than on a hard drive. Should the contents of the safe be shielded from examination under a valid warrant?

    I should not be jailed for refusing to give them the combination anymore than I have to tell them Where I hid the body.

    But that did not apply to Apple.


    .

    Nope. Apple was being ordered to damage their own product. The Feds demanded uncompensated labor and damage to the security of Apple’s product, not just in this one case, but in all phones everywhere.

    That is standing against tyranny. You, of course, can disagree.

    I might add, that the personal phone was destroyed, and all that was left was the work phone. Ya think that just maybe he did not plot to kill people via his work phone?

    My understanding is the order applied only to the phone in question. I’m not sure unlocking the phone constitutes damaging it.

    Should they have not searched his work desk either?

    They wanted a piece of software to unlock the phone, and then said “Trust us, it won’t get out”.

    Please. Every FBI review for every Federal employee got out because they put servers with that information on the internet.

    Again I may be wrong but the order required Apple to unlock the phone, not provide the FBI with the means to do it.

    • #84
  25. donald todd Inactive
    donald todd
    @donaldtodd

    I too am under the impression that we are not required to testify against ourselves.  Perhaps this is another right that is being waived in the current abuse-the-citizen environment that the Democrats operate under?

    • #85
  26. Klaatu Inactive
    Klaatu
    @Klaatu

    skipsul:

    Klaatu: My understanding is the order applied only to the phone in question. I’m not sure unlocking the phone constitutes damaging it.

    It applied, in its technical fundamentals, to all phones.

    Was Apple ordered to provide the FBI the ability to unlock the phone or simply unlock the phone?

    • #86
  27. A-Squared Inactive
    A-Squared
    @ASquared

    Klaatu: Again I may be wrong but the order required Apple to unlock the phone, not provide the FBI with the means to do it.

    I’m curious about this myself.

    I believe the FBI asked for the former, and Apple argued it asked for the latter.

    There may have been something in the “chain of custody” rules that actually or effectively required the latter (i.e., the FBI could not surrender possession of the phone).

    • #87
  28. skipsul Inactive
    skipsul
    @skipsul

    Klaatu:

    skipsul:

    Klaatu: My understanding is the order applied only to the phone in question. I’m not sure unlocking the phone constitutes damaging it.

    It applied, in its technical fundamentals, to all phones.

    Was Apple ordered to provide the FBI the ability to unlock the phone or simply unlock the phone?

    They were ordered, by a judge, to provide the FBI with the means to unlock that particular phone, to which Apple replied that it could not do so without compromising every iPhone out there.  The courts then ordered Apple to make such a universal tool, at its own expense.

    This was, of course, after the FBI had locked itself out of the phone in the first place.

    • #88
  29. The King Prawn Inactive
    The King Prawn
    @TheKingPrawn

    Klaatu:

    skipsul:

    Klaatu: My understanding is the order applied only to the phone in question. I’m not sure unlocking the phone constitutes damaging it.

    It applied, in its technical fundamentals, to all phones.

    Was Apple ordered to provide the FBI the ability to unlock the phone or simply unlock the phone?

    The order was to do one or the other. Apple could either just provide the ability or perform the action itself under FBI supervision.

    • #89
  30. A-Squared Inactive
    A-Squared
    @ASquared

    skipsul:

    This was, of course, after the FBI had locked itself out of the phone in the first place.

    This is wrong.

    The FBI locked themselves out of the automatic backup, not the phone itself. Since the phone had not been backed up in over a month prior to the attacks it seems extremely unlikely that would have backed up automatically by merely placing it inside the perpetrator’s home (as Apple alleged) unless the perpetrator had not entered his home in the  month before the attacks.

    • #90
Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.