You Are Hereby Ordered …

 

shutterstock_403591747Imagine you’ve been convicted of no crime — in fact, imagine you’ve not even been charged with a crime — but have been incarcerated for nearly seven months. This is the current situation of a former Philadelphia police sergeant who has been housed at a federal detention center for refusing to comply with a court order to divulge information which could be used to charge and convict him of possessing child pornography. During an investigation into users of a secure file sharing network, he became a person of interest, and a warrant was served on his residence to collect evidence to support the government’s suspicions. Authorities sized two encrypted hard drives during the search, but lack the ability to view their contents unless unlocked by a password. When the man evoked his 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination at a grand jury, the presiding judge ruled that he could not be compelled to provide the encryption passcodes for the drives. Failing to secure an indictment through the normal process, prosecutors turned to federal courts.

On the affidavit of Homeland Security agent (what DHS has to do with a local child porn case is beyond my ken) a warrant was issued by the federal court for a search of the hard drives. “After obtaining the warrant, the government made an application pursuant to the All Writs Act, 28 U.S.C. § 1651, for an order compelling Mr. Doe to ‘produce’ the drives ‘in an unencrypted state’ … Magistrate Judge Thomas J. Rueter so ordered.” Upon instruction from the judge, the man entered several passcodes that failed to unlock the devices. When ordered to explain his inability to successfully unlock the devices he refused, was held in contempt, and has been jailed since, without conviction and without charges being brought against him. The case is now on appeal to the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

If some of this sounds familiar, it is because the FBI used the All Writs Act in an attempt to compel Apple to unlock the iPhone San Bernardino county had issued Syed Faroook before he murdered 14 of his co-workers in the name of the Islamic State. The difference here is the government is using the act in an attempt to compel a person of interest in a criminal investigation to provide information which could lead to his arrest and conviction of a very serious crime. It seems absolutely clear to me that using the All Writs Act in this manner is in direct violation of the 5th Amendment.

Has the government overreached in this? I’m no lawyer, but it seems overwhelmingly obvious to me that the prosecutors can’t simply lock a person up until he provides them enough evidence to get a conviction, especially when the person hasn’t even been charged with a crime.

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  1. skipsul Inactive
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    Klaatu:

    skipsul:

    A-Squared:To extend the safe analogy, I think the safe owner should not be required to open the safe, but the manufacturer of the safe should be required to help open the safe if ordered by the court.

    Well, the analogy falls a little flat in the sense that the safe can be taken apart, with or without the safe manufacturer’s assistance (which I seriously doubt could actually be compelled). In other words, in extremis, brute force will get the contents in the end.

    In the case of encrypted data, there is no means to extract the contents short of a similar brute-force method. If the government has to use brute force on the safe, then they have to here as well.

    If I recall correctly, the Law Talk team mentioned safe companies can and have been compelled to open a safe under the All Writs Act.

    Well, whom would you compel in this case?  Likely the encryption is one of many open-source forms out there, so the algorithms are already published and well understood.  In the end, then, this still comes back to demanding info for self incrimination.

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  2. Kozak Member
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.:On second thought — lawyers, please chime in — I wonder if it was a mistake for the defendant to enter the passcodes. On the (likely) assumption that he did so with the intent of entering them incorrectly, I could see how doing it wrong could constitute contempt in a way that refusing at all would not.

    Again, not a lawyer.

    Don’t you lose your 5 th amendment protection if you answer any questions?

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  3. Kozak Member
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    Hank Rhody:The Supreme court has held in the past that a man can not be compelled to give up the combination to a safe.

    I don’t see why this isn’t strictly analogous to that.

    If that’s correct it would seem a pretty strong argument in this case.

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  4. Klaatu Inactive
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    skipsul:

    Klaatu:

    skipsul:

    A-Squared:To extend the safe analogy, I think the safe owner should not be required to open the safe, but the manufacturer of the safe should be required to help open the safe if ordered by the court.

    Well, the analogy falls a little flat in the sense that the safe can be taken apart, with or without the safe manufacturer’s assistance (which I seriously doubt could actually be compelled). In other words, in extremis, brute force will get the contents in the end.

    In the case of encrypted data, there is no means to extract the contents short of a similar brute-force method. If the government has to use brute force on the safe, then they have to here as well.

    If I recall correctly, the Law Talk team mentioned safe companies can and have been compelled to open a safe under the All Writs Act.

    Well, whom would you compel in this case? Likely the encryption is one of many open-source forms out there, so the algorithms are already published and well understood. In the end, then, this still comes back to demanding info for self incrimination.

    That is why I believe it is a difficult issue.

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  5. Doctor Robert Member
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    A man is jailed indefinitely for refusing to provide access to a computer that may or may not hold the evidence that prosecutors would need to charge him for a crime that may or may not have occurred.

    Outrageous.

    Why is this not a cause celebre?

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  6. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    Like cdor, I don’t see how the judge can justifiably hold him in contempt without proof that he didn’t simply forget his password. What are the standards for contempt? I wluld not be surprised if they favor judges.

    Agreed that a case involving a foreign language or non-digital encryption (there must be such cases from wartime) would be more relevant than a safe. I’m inclined to agree that the 5th Amendment protects him, but also suspect that he waived that right by attempting to enter a password.

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  7. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    Perhaps an equally relevant question: How many of us have lost so much faith in our investigative and judicial systems that we can easily imagine that the prosecutors and judge don’t care about legal restraints?

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  8. Hypatia Member
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    The facts surrounding Defendant’s attempts to enter pass codes which prove incorrect aren’t clear to me.  I do remember some case law about being jailed for contempt, though.  A party, or even a witness,  can be jailed for non- disclosure even when no crime is involved , as long as she “holds the key to his jail cell in his own hand” meaning all he has to do to get out is obey the court’s order, which he is willfully refusing to do.

    But, two things:

    First the good news about our justice system: we have a right to bail, established by case law penumbral to the 8th amendment.  Please look up the French prison in the heart of Paris (closed only recently) ironically named La Santé.  Accused persons spent an average of four months in there awaiting trial, in worse-than-medieval conditions.

    And  the bad news in my humble opinion: that we put people in prison for just looking at pictures.  I don’t care WHAT pictures, although I recognize that child porn is the least appealing instance.  I think I remember from law school ( and admittedly, criminal law hasn’t been my field of practice)  that for criminal liability, there has to be some actual step, some action, however slight, in the direction of committing a crime. Whatever bad, destructive, seditious, perverse thing you’re thinking–or saying or writing–cannot be the subject of criminal prosecution unless you act on it or start at least preparing to act on it.

    Unless and until this Defendant inappropriately fondles some little relative or tries to arrange to meet a 12 yr old online, he shouldn’t even be under investigation.

    Other examples of criminalizing thought: “hate crime”.  If you kill someone, assault someone, destroy someone else’s property, those things are ALREADY against the law and those actions carry criminal penalties.  When you start punishing the perp more severely just because of what he was THINKING, you are punishing pure thought.  (I’m pretty sure it used to be a tenet of crim law that the prosecution does not have to prove motive, only that the perp did the crime, who knows or cares why.)

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  9. Bob Laing Member
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    A-Squared:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Standing against tyranny is a fundamental right.

    Obstructing a lawful investigation is not.

    Does anything other than active cooperation count as obstruction?

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  10. Bob Laing Member
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    A-Squared:To extend the safe analogy, I think the safe owner should not be required to open the safe, but the manufacturer of the safe should be required to help open the safe if ordered by the court.

    I fundamentally disagree with the idea that the government can compel a third party to work on the their behalf.

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  11. A-Squared Inactive
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    Bob Laing:

    A-Squared:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Standing against tyranny is a fundamental right.

    Obstructing a lawful investigation is not.

    Does anything other than active cooperation count as obstruction?

    I’m sure some criminal lawyers can provide additional clarity, but to me, refusing to obey a lawful order to help police or refusing to give a statement under oath (when you or your spouse was not involved in the crime) is obstruction of justice.

    Not volunteering a statement is not obstruction, but refusing to cooperate is.

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  12. The King Prawn Inactive
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    According to his lawyer this is why he was held in contempt:

    Thereafter the district court ordered Mr. Doe to show cause for his failure or inability to enter the passcodes. (See District Court Docket Entry No. 15). After he declined to testify, the court held him in civil contempt and remanded him to the custody of the United States Marshals.

    So it is his refusal to testify against himself about why he cannot satisfactorily comply with the order (either intentionally or because he just can’t) for which he is jailed. He is imprisoned for not testifying rather than for not correctly entering the passcodes.

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  13. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Doctor Robert:A man is jailed indefinitely for refusing to provide access to a computer that may or may not hold the evidence that prosecutors would need to charge him for a crime that may or may not have occurred.

    Outrageous.

    Why is this not a cause celebre?

    One of the problems I think is that the case involves alleged child pornography. Just the hint of that will tilt the court of public opinion.

    What main stream reporter or media outlet wants to do the in depth story on this case, he is freed, and then somehow, somewhere down the road it turns out to be true.

    I think it is egregious that he is being held like this, but not sure who you get to put up the funds for a real attorney or do some expose on the matter.

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  14. Klaatu Inactive
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    Hypatia:

    And the bad news in my humble opinion: that we put people in prison for just looking at pictures. I don’t care WHAT pictures, although I recognize that child porn is the least appealing instance. I think I remember from law school ( and admittedly, criminal law hasn’t been my field of practice) that for criminal liability, there has to be some actual step, some action, however slight, in the direction of committing a crime. Whatever bad, destructive, seditious, perverse thing you’re thinking–or saying or writing–cannot be the subject of criminal prosecution unless you act on it or start at least preparing to act on it.

    Unless and until this Defendant inappropriately fondles some little relative or tries to arrange to meet a 12 yr old online, he shouldn’t even be under investigation.

    Here we must disagree.  The recipient of child pornography is part of an enterprise that exploits and causes real harm to children.  We not only have the right but the obligation to protect children.

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  15. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Hypatia: And the bad news in my humble opinion: that we put people in prison for just looking at pictures. I don’t care WHAT pictures, although I recognize that child porn is the least appealing instance. I think I remember from law school ( and admittedly, criminal law hasn’t been my field of practice) that for criminal liability, there has to be some actual step, some action, however slight, in the direction of committing a crime. Whatever bad, destructive, seditious, perverse thing you’re thinking–or saying or writing–cannot be the subject of criminal prosecution unless you act on it or start at least preparing to act on it.

    By looking at child porn you’re supporting those who produce it, and thus are complicit in the crime.

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  16. Frank Soto Member
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    Klaatu:

    Should the contents of the safe be shielded from examination under a valid warrant?

    I think that’s putting the shoe on the wrong foot. The question is whether the defendant is required to not only produce the database, but help the government execute its search of it.

    I would say no, citing, the Fifth Amendment (I don’t think the All Writs Act bears on the matter much).

    And on top of this, I don’t think it is acceptable to hold a person in prison indefinitely without charging them with any crime.

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  17. Z in MT Member
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    Hypatia: And the bad news in my humble opinion: that we put people in prison for just looking at pictures. I don’t care WHAT pictures, although I recognize that child porn is the least appealing instance. I think I remember from law school ( and admittedly, criminal law hasn’t been my field of practice) that for criminal liability, there has to be some actual step, some action, however slight, in the direction of committing a crime.Unless and until this Defendant inappropriately fondles some little relative or tries to arrange to meet a 12 yr old online, he shouldn’t even be under investigation.

    I am sorry. If you can’t understand the need to criminalize the consumption of child pornography then I am at a loss. Child pornography requires an unconscionable crime to be committed before someone consumes it.

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  18. Titus Techera Contributor
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    BrentB67:

    Doctor Robert:A man is jailed indefinitely for refusing to provide access to a computer that may or may not hold the evidence that prosecutors would need to charge him for a crime that may or may not have occurred.

    Outrageous.

    Why is this not a cause celebre?

    One of the problems I think is that the case involves alleged child pornography. Just the hint of that will tilt the court of public opinion.

    What main stream reporter or media outlet wants to do the in depth story on this case, he is freed, and then somehow, somewhere down the road it turns out to be true.

    I think it is egregious that he is being held like this, but not sure who you get to put up the funds for a real attorney or do some expose on the matter.

    Reason magazine-

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  19. Titus Techera Contributor
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    Frank Soto:

    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    Klaatu:

    Should the contents of the safe be shielded from examination under a valid warrant?

    I think that’s putting the shoe on the wrong foot. The question is whether the defendant is required to not only produce the database, but help the government execute its search of it.

    I would say no, citing, the Fifth Amendment (I don’t think the All Writs Act bears on the matter much).

    And on top of this, I don’t think it is acceptable to hold a person in prison indefinitely without charging them with any crime.

    Something something habeas corpus?

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  20. David Knights Member
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    Z in MT:

    Hypatia:

    I am sorry. If you can’t understand the need to criminalize the consumption of child pornography then I am at a loss. Child pornography requires an unconscionable crime to be committed before someone consumes it.

    Completely agree.  Child porn requires pretty awful damage to children in order to produce it.  I have no problem with criminalizing the mere possession of it. (I do have a problem with the Traci Lords case, but that is the exception that proves the rule.)

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  21. Frank Soto Member
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    Titus Techera:

    Frank Soto:

    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    Klaatu:

    Should the contents of the safe be shielded from examination under a valid warrant?

    I think that’s putting the shoe on the wrong foot. The question is whether the defendant is required to not only produce the database, but help the government execute its search of it.

    I would say no, citing, the Fifth Amendment (I don’t think the All Writs Act bears on the matter much).

    And on top of this, I don’t think it is acceptable to hold a person in prison indefinitely without charging them with any crime.

    Something something habeas corpus?

    I don’t listen to death metal.

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  22. Titus Techera Contributor
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    Frank Soto:

    Titus Techera:

    Frank Soto:

    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    Klaatu:

    Should the contents of the safe be shielded from examination under a valid warrant?

    I think that’s putting the shoe on the wrong foot. The question is whether the defendant is required to not only produce the database, but help the government execute its search of it.

    I would say no, citing, the Fifth Amendment (I don’t think the All Writs Act bears on the matter much).

    And on top of this, I don’t think it is acceptable to hold a person in prison indefinitely without charging them with any crime.

    Something something habeas corpus?

    I don’t listen to death metal.

    Ok, Soto, take a victory lap. You’ve earned it. I’ll be here wondering how to feel about being upstaged. I might call the cops on you later-

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  23. David Knights Member
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    The thing to keep in mind in this situation is that, at the moment the defendant is not in jail for child porn.  He is in jail for failing to obey a lawful court order.  There is no question that the court had the right to issue the order.  The defendant’s relief is thru appeal of the contempt citation, which he is apparently doing.

    Now here is an interesting question.  What if, by entering the wrong passcodes, the defendant wiped the encrypted hard drive? Maybe that is why he tried to enter the code rather than simply refusing to do so.

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  24. Frank Soto Member
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    David Knights:The thing to keep in mind in this situation is that, at the moment the defendant is not in jail for child porn. He is in jail for failing to obey a lawful court order. There is no question that the court had the right to issue the order. The defendant’s relief is thru appeal of the contempt citation, which he is apparently doing.

    Now here is an interesting question. What if, by entering the wrong passcodes, the defendant wiped the encrypted hard drive? Maybe that is why he tried to enter the code rather than simply refusing to do so.

    He appears to be in jail for refusing to testify as to why he couldn’t enter the correct passcode.  Since the 5th amendment is clearly still a thing, I find this unacceptable.

    Even if you grant that he should be punished in some manner for his obstruction of justice, then he should be charged with a crime.  Holding him indefinitely is clearly unconstitutional.

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  25. Doug Watt Member
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    It would be interesting to see the actual warrant.

    The authorities have called two witnesses. One was the suspect’s sister who claimed she looked at child pornography with her brother at his house. The other was a forensic examiner who testified that it was his “best guess” that child pornography was on the drives,” Donoghue wrote. The investigation began in 2015 when Pennsylvania prosecutors were monitoring the online network Freenet and executed a search warrant of the man’s home.

    His sister’s statement was interesting and one would have to wonder what the Pennsylvania prosecutors saw on Freenet that led to the issuing of a warrant. The forensic examiner’s statement needs to be clarified.

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  26. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Frank Soto:

    David Knights:The thing to keep in mind in this situation is that, at the moment the defendant is not in jail for child porn. He is in jail for failing to obey a lawful court order. There is no question that the court had the right to issue the order. The defendant’s relief is thru appeal of the contempt citation, which he is apparently doing.

    Now here is an interesting question. What if, by entering the wrong passcodes, the defendant wiped the encrypted hard drive? Maybe that is why he tried to enter the code rather than simply refusing to do so.

    He appears to be in jail for refusing to testify as to why he couldn’t enter the correct passcode. Since the 5th amendment is clearly still a thing, I find this unacceptable.

    Even if you grant that he should be punished in some manner for his obstruction of justice, then he should be charged with a crime. Holding him indefinitely is clearly unconstitutional.

    My guess is that this is specifically why they aren’t charging him. If this actually got in front of a judge the state may not get their preferred outcome.

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  27. Lazy_Millennial Inactive
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    Klaatu:

    Lazy_Millennial:

    Klaatu:The issuance of a warrant has always carried with it an ability to use force if necessary to execute it.

    No, it hasn’t. A warrant gives the government agents the right to try. No guaranteed success.

    I’d compare the government’s position here to that of a man being ordered to translate his own writings that are in a language different than the government wants. Actually that’s exactly what’s happening here, since the hard drives have info encoded in a way that makes it gibberish without the password.

    This isn’t a “hard” legal issue. It’s just one where the government doesn’t get what it wants.

    The ability to try includes the use of force. No one is arguing there is any guarantee of success.

    I disagree. We have a search warrant system for a reason and the ability to hide evidence of a crime in a safe that cannot be opened presents a difficult problem.

    Again we disagree. Like papers written in code, this isn’t a difficult problem, just one where the government doesn’t get what it wants. The government gets a warrant to try to investigate, but they can’t force the defendant to help them. Your whole “difficult problem” is a case where the government’s “trying” can’t open a safe, aka where their success isn’t guaranteed.

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  28. Lazy_Millennial Inactive
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    Bob Laing:

    A-Squared:To extend the safe analogy, I think the safe owner should not be required to open the safe, but the manufacturer of the safe should be required to help open the safe if ordered by the court.

    I fundamentally disagree with the idea that the government can compel a third party to work on the their behalf.

    While I don’t like the spirit of it, it’s pretty clear that the government has this right in a few narrow areas. Specifically, the Constitution requires third parties (citizens) to assist the government in war (the draft), in financing the government’s functioning (taxes), and in administering justice (jury duty implied in right to trial by jury). Extending this right to forcing safe-makers to open specific safes might be a “bridge too far” for you, but it’s been on the books for a while now.

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  29. John Berg Member
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    I haven’t faced this issue in my work as a prosecutor, but requiring him to divulge his password seems like a straight forward violation of the suspect’s 5th Amendment rights.  Wouldn’t the fact that the suspect had the password be used as evidence to prove that whatever is found on the computer was possessed by him?  If a suspect invokes his 5th Amendment right to remain silent, the police can’t get around that by telling him to type or write information.

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  30. TomJedrz Member
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    Aaron Miller:Perhaps an equally relevant question: How many of us have lost so much faith in our investigative and judicial systems that we can easily imagine that the prosecutors and judge don’t care about legal restraints?

    I never had such faith.

    The reason we need legal/formal restraints on law enforcement and prosecutors is that they are people, just as flawed as the rest of us.

    I have no doubt that the judge and prosecutor are acting with pure motives. They are, however, doing wrong.

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