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Why I Might Choose Clinton Over Trump
I can’t stand Hillary Clinton. She is a criminal that should be behind bars for life. However, nothing in her views (as fluid as they are) makes me think she would start a trade war with China. On the other hand, Donald Trump has made demagoguery of China a feature of his campaign. Larry Kudlow’s reassurances notwithstanding, there is a real significant possibility that Trump embraces the same devastating protectionism that kicked the great depression into high gear. In my opinion, nothing is as dangerous to our general prosperity and security as this. Therefore, until I can feel moderately sure that Trump won’t start a trade war, I can’t support him or even stand by and not vote against him.
Please tell me why I’m wrong, Ricochet. I hate the idea that our system has declined to the point that we have for vote for criminals to save us from disaster.
-E
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Yes, unfortunately there are too many #NeverCruz people too. So nobody really likes anybody.
I’m afraid the truly disheartening aspect of this multiple-car pile-up of an election is the dawning realization that the GOP base just may not be devoted to limited, Constitutional government.
Eugene Kriegsman: At least Heidi isn’t shown nude! Trump didn’t start this, the Cruz people did. There’s a pattern here: when Trump responds to what others are saying( like, there will be riots if GOP has a brokered convention) or doing ( like Cruz supporters posting nude shot of Melania) suddenly everyone is “shocked! Shocked!” I don’t get it. If you send your spouse out to stump for you, he or she has to expect the heat.
It should have been the END for Prez Omega when Michelle said, in a stump speech, that she had never before been proud of her country– but he got away with pulling that injured “hey, lay off my wife!” garbage.
Any why is NOBODY outraged at the nude pic of Melania? No, I can’t see where you’re coming from.
I fear people who like politicians.
I work hard to let my boss know I don’t like him very much.
If you like the person you vote for it means you really aren’t paying attention.
I’m sorry, but I cannot just blame the ‘base’ and acquit the ‘leadership’.
The ‘tea party’ was mostly limited government – and was mostly rejected by leadership – so saying the ‘base’ is not for limited gov’t cannot be exactly true.
Perhaps the Trump voters have given up that government will ever move back to limited government principals and believe it’s therefore imperative that they now find a leader who’ll represent their interests instead of pushing them to the curb. Very few republican leaders are even giving lip service to limited government anymore. I doubt many of the Trump voters would argue that Trump is ideal – but they’re looking for the best option on the table. I personally believe that the reason the options are all so bad is because the republican party has become so bad.
Calm yourself! There’s a transgender atheist at the hardware store, why not on the Supreme Court? We want all thoughts, creeds, and what-nots represented.
By the way, there was a legend at Fort Knox about a private who tied the end of the power cord for a floor buffer to his neck, then threw the buffer out of the top floor window. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending), he failed to consider the length of the cord, and tie it on to his neck at the appropriate length. Thus, the buffer hit the ground outside, while he still stood by the window, waiting for his life to end. The net result was his being separated from the Army, and his pay deducted the cost of one buffer (with extra long cord). I like that you’ve at least considered the height of the building prior to your jumping out of it.
Vote for Hillary???
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Cruz has said this wasn’t him – we cannot hold Cruz or Trump responsible for something people outside of the sphere of influence do.
It is childish both to show Melania’s picture and also attribute it to Cruz – but she DID voluntarily pose for this picture. Its out there and will be out there forever. As my Grandfather used to tell us, “you make your choices and you live with them.”
If said Lesbian Muslims and transgender athiests would interpret the constitution according to its original intent, no problemo as far as I’m concerned.
Agreed re Tea Party. Some leaders were hostile, but new ones were thus created (viz. Paul Ryan). Now Ryan is being excoriated along with true dinosaurs, such as McConnell. That is regrettable.
Your point about the Trump supporters’ looking for their demographic champion just reinforces my point, I’m afraid. Still, I hope you’re right. It’s a less depressing thought.
So here is the rub. Clinton talks about currency manipulation as well, demonstrating that she does not know what she is talking about. Rather than if necessary a 45% tariff, she just claims the need to stand up to China and protect American workers while advocating duties and tariffs. If you think people bringing up currency manipulation are so wrong as to be unserious and worry about trade wars, You can’t vote for Hillary either.
http://www.pressherald.com/2016/02/23/commentary-if-elected-president-ill-level-the-playing-field-on-global-trade-clinton-says/
Actually, the contempt that I will have for those who vote for Clinton will be much worse than any contempt that I have for Obama voters. Obama was a clean slate and hadn’t actually don’t much when he was first elected. The Clinton’s have a long, long history of corruption, selling of influence, and just evil behavior from this awful couple. Which depresses me that they have made it so far in this country. Those who say they would vote for Hillary over Trump are not thinking straight.
And I wake up this morning to find this tripe on the main feed. Nice. A conservative website with a post titled “Why I Might Choose Clinton” coming up in Google searches. I give up. We shoot ourselves in the foot once more. Good job, Ricochet.
She thinks Trump is more level-headed than Cruz.
Sorry, Northeast liberals like her who support foamed-mouthed socialists for president are just plain weird to me.
Maybe Trump is better than Hillary, maybe not.
What is appalling is that the Republicans are about to nominate someone that makes that a difficult decision.
I’m glad I read the heading on this post before I ate breakfast. Is Ricochet on the DNC payroll?
I won’t be reading or participating in this ludicrous conversation.
Paul Ryan seems like a good man, but is pretty big government despite his reputation for being a ‘deficit hawk’. He is also pro-amnesty and has even partnered with Luis Gutierrez on this issue.
Looking at the 2002 steel tariff example via wikipedia, it looks like maybe a president can do something, but that the World Trade Organization can threaten to impose “$2 billion in sanctions” as their “largest penalty ever” if Bush did not reverse course while “the European Union threatened to counter with tariffs of its own on products ranging from Florida oranges to cars produced in Michigan, with each tariff calculated to likewise hurt the President in a key marginal state.”
I think folks like Camille Paglia, and Alan Dershowitz who continue to support the left even though they do not agree with the authoritarianism, anti-Israel, anti- free speech, etc….. stances of the left. I think it is just an emotional thing, they can’t break from their 1960’s rebellious nostalgia. They still think “the man” are on the right, even though now “The Man” are leftists like their friends.
What alternatives do you have in mind?
In the last month the United States placed a 266% tariff on certain steel products from China. Smaller tariffs on others. ” Certain Japanese steel imports were hit with a 71.35 percent duty, with Brazil (38.93 percent), the U.K. (28.03 percent), Russia (14.76 percent), India (6.78 percent) and South Korea (4.53 percent) also receiving tariff increases. And certain companies within these nations were hit with even larger duties if they were found to be in particular violation of U.S. standards“.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-02/trump-and-obama-agree-chinese-steel-is-a-problem
The European Union placed a 26.2% tariff on Chinese and Russian Steel.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-12/eu-widens-steel-trade-protection-with-tariffs-on-russia-china
Tariffs and threats of tariffs are just a part of our current international trade. While I don’t think Trump will be a good President, he will not cause a depression by using current trade practices.
No doubt voting for Clinton would be shooting ourselves in the foot, but the quandary many of us are in is that so would voting for Trump. Why I’ll most likely not vote for President for the first time in my life.
There was the attempt at Hillarycare before Obamacare arrived on the scene. Think she’d undo that?
Her Russian reset and smiling countenance indicate how foreign policy would advance; in concert with high-priced speaking engagements for the presidential consort and contributions to a “charitable” organization. Foreign policy for sale. Buy yours here.
And, she has been a great friend for Banned Parenthood and its position on the value of unborn human life. It is not the LDS position that Hillary! represents.
Yes, she has all the qualifications if your politics go in that direction.
You’ll get no argument from me with regard to these points about the Paglia article. I merely intentionally used a “Northeast liberal” perspective, thinking it might be more palatable to a Ricochet poster who was seriously (?!) advocating a vote for Clinton over Trump.
You are shooting yourself in the foot if you voted for Trump or are not doing everything you can to support Cruz. Those of us who care about the country and the world and who are trying to defend it are not responsible for your poor decisions.
Why are we talking about this instead of what we can do to make sure someone else (Cruz?) is the nominee?
Especially with a new poll out showing Cruz +1 over Trump in Wisconsin and closing nationally. The Trump scenario is not set in stone. It doesn’t have to come to this at least not yet.
Cruz is not responsible for the actions of a Superpac with which he has no connection. Trump posted that despiccable comparative in his own Twitter account. There is a very, very big difference.
In my opinion it is because the Right is loosing it’s mind. The current leader in the polls is disliked by many. Attacking his policies or statements is perfectly fine, there is plenty to attack. Since that has not changed to race it is now necessary to declare that his discussion of tariffs (unlike the new tariff’s from this year or Clinton’s pushing of tariffs) will cause a depression. Also Trump will cause nuclear war. So basically “I don’t like him or his polices so clearly his election will mean the end of the World.”
I would add that Heidi did not pose nude for the cover of a magazine. While I don’t support bringing any of this into Presidential Politics. This was not a private intimate photograph. It was the cover of a magazine on the store shelves.