How Do You Solve a Problem Like The Donald?

 

TrumpDescentIf you’re in the market for a Republican presidential candidate who wants to start a trade war with China, thinks there’s a causal link between vaccines and autism, believes there’s no need for entitlement reform, and led the charge on the birther movement, today’s your lucky day: As Johnny Dubya notes below, Donald Trump — probably the only candidate in this field who spent his announcement speech noodling on the state of America’s ‘brand’ — is now officially in the race.

Now, it’s easy enough to dismiss Trump as a sideshow. As Reid Epstein and Heather Haddon note in their report on the announcement in the Wall Street JournalNBC is still going forward on the assumption that Trump will tape the new season of Celebrity Apprentice in the fall — something he can’t do if he’s an active candidate — which may mean that he’s just taking his quadrennial exercise in publicity-seeking to new lengths. Either way, Republicans are still going to have to deal with the fact that every asinine utterance that comes out of the bloated gourd atop his shoulders will be gleefully seized upon by the Left and the media as evidence of the fundamental unseriousness of the GOP. They’ll also have to reckon with this:

Mr. Trump is likely to qualify for the Republican National Committee-sanctioned presidential debates, which Fox News and CNN have limited to candidates who place in the top 10 in national polling.

With his broad name recognition, he has received between 3% and 5% support in recent national polls, enough to qualify for the Aug. 6 Fox News debate. Candidates such as former Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) may not make the cut. Also in jeopardy of exclusion is Carly Fiorina, the former Hewlett-Packard chief executive and the only prominent woman in the GOP contest.

Could there be a more depressing thought for the GOP than Carly Fiorina — a woman who’s recently become the pacesetter for how Republicans should handle themselves with the media — sitting at home while Trump uses a presidential forum to pimp a 30-year-old book?

Here’s the question: what, if anything, does the GOP do? Leave it alone and count on Trump to expose himself as a buffoon in the debates? Try to find a way to keep him out? Does an enterprising candidate try to put points on the board by sticking it to The Donald onstage (paging Chris Christie)?

What would you do?

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  1. Ricochet Member
    Ricochet
    @ArizonaPatriot

    The RNC ought to have the authority to exclude candidates during the primary process.  I know that this would present some danger of abuse, but I doubt that the RNC would be willing to alienate any substantial segment of GOP voters.  The benefit of not having to deal with truly marginal candidates, like The Donald, would outweigh this risk.

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  2. user_44643 Inactive
    user_44643
    @MikeLaRoche

    Troy Senik, Ed.:

    Mike LaRoche:Still a better candidate than “Jeb!”

    Far better.

    Wow. Really? I’m far from being a Jeb guy, but the idea that a successful, relatively conservative two-term governor of Florida is an inferior choice to Trump boggles my mind.

    I do, however, think this is emblematic of something that the chattering classes are only now starting to realize: that there is a huge swath of the Republican electorate that will not turn to Jeb under any circumstances. It’s not a matter of marketing or positioning. They’re just not interested in what he’s selling — and they have way too many other options. I regard that as basically insurmountable. I don’t care how much money he raises — I have a hard time seeing how he gets the nomination.

    Yes, really.  Jeb is just the next Establican stooge of the year, who cares nothing about the concerns of real conservatives (or for that matter, ordinary Americans) on the matters of amnesty/border control, education, and trade policy.  People like him are why I left the Republican Party three years ago.

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  3. Leigh Inactive
    Leigh
    @Leigh

    Quinn the Eskimo:

    David Knights:

    So, only professional politicians need apply? I am not endorsing Trump, and I wish he would run as a Democrat, but the professional politician will be the death of this country.

    I’m not sure that only professional politicians need apply, but I think there are some skills I would like to see a preview of before the election. I’d like to see how a president handles an elected legislature, for example. I’d like to see how a president handles difficult times.

    You become a professional politician the moment you announce your candidacy  “exploratory committee.”  From that moment on, you are subject to all the temptations and pressures common to politicians.

    Some people handle these honorably for decades; some become corrupt in weeks.

    I’ll actually have more confidence in the judgment of a person who has managed to keep his head in politics for years than in someone who is jumping into this very heady business right at the top.

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  4. user_82762 Inactive
    user_82762
    @JamesGawron

    Arizona Patriot:The RNC ought to have the authority to exclude candidates during the primary process. I know that this would present some danger of abuse, but I doubt that the RNC would be willing to alienate any substantial segment of GOP voters. The benefit of not having to deal with truly marginal candidates, like The Donald, would outweigh this risk.

    AP,

    You’ve just jogged my thought process. What we could do is a RNC CoC for primary candidates. Allow the RNC to take disciplinary action against candidates who:

    1) Are participating for their own self-promotion and are not seriously interested in winning the general election.

    2) Attack their fellow Republican candidates more than they attack the opposition.

    Both are judgement calls but this would allow the RNC to send warnings to the campaigns before taking action. First warning could be done privately. Second warning publicly. Third warning impose a fine…etc.

    Make any sense?

    Regards,

    Jim

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  5. Leigh Inactive
    Leigh
    @Leigh

    Troy Senik, Ed.: n Trump’s case, you have the relatively rare prospect of someone whose very presence on the debate stage threatens to turn the whole thing into a circus (does anyone think he’ll sit there and quietly wait his turn during debates?)

    If he ignores the rules in the first debate, he’ll give Reince Priebus a very good excuse to exclude him from the rest of them.  So it might be a one-debate problem.

    If he more or less stays within the rules, will it be that much worse than Ron Paul Trutherism on stage?

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  6. Concretevol Thatcher
    Concretevol
    @Concretevol

    Mike LaRoche:Still a better candidate than “Jeb!”

    Far better.

    I don’t know about candidate but a waaaaaay worse president

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  7. user_1065645 Member
    user_1065645
    @DaveSussman

    Troy Senik, Ed.: What would you do?

    Marginalize him. Treat him like the drunk uncle at the holiday party.

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  8. Troy Senik, Ed. Member
    Troy Senik, Ed.
    @TroySenik

    Mike LaRoche:

    Troy Senik, Ed.:

    Mike LaRoche:Still a better candidate than “Jeb!”

    Far better.

    Wow. Really? I’m far from being a Jeb guy, but the idea that a successful, relatively conservative two-term governor of Florida is an inferior choice to Trump boggles my mind.

    I do, however, think this is emblematic of something that the chattering classes are only now starting to realize: that there is a huge swath of the Republican electorate that will not turn to Jeb under any circumstances. It’s not a matter of marketing or positioning. They’re just not interested in what he’s selling — and they have way too many other options. I regard that as basically insurmountable. I don’t care how much money he raises — I have a hard time seeing how he gets the nomination.

    Yes, really. Jeb is just the next Establican stooge of the year, who cares nothing about the concerns of real conservatives (or for that matter, ordinary Americans) on the matters of amnesty/border control, education, and trade policy. People like him are why I left the Republican Party three years ago.

    I completely get the Jeb criticism. I’m with you on immigration and Common Core, if not on trade.

    I just don’t understand how a guy like Trump — let us not forget, a paragon of real-life crony capitalism — is supposed to be a superior alternative.

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  9. Troy Senik, Ed. Member
    Troy Senik, Ed.
    @TroySenik

    Leigh:

    Quinn the Eskimo:

    David Knights:

    So, only professional politicians need apply? I am not endorsing Trump, and I wish he would run as a Democrat, but the professional politician will be the death of this country.

    I’m not sure that only professional politicians need apply, but I think there are some skills I would like to see a preview of before the election. I’d like to see how a president handles an elected legislature, for example. I’d like to see how a president handles difficult times.

    You become a professional politician the moment you announce your candidacy “exploratory committee.” From that moment on, you are subject to all the temptations and pressures common to politicians.

    Some people handle these honorably for decades; some become corrupt in weeks.

    I’ll actually have more confidence in the judgment of a person who has managed to keep his head in politics for years than in someone who is jumping into this very heady business right at the top.

    Nothing to add here except to say that, having worked around an abundance of these people, this strikes me as precisely right.

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  10. Troy Senik, Ed. Member
    Troy Senik, Ed.
    @TroySenik

    David Sussman:

    Troy Senik, Ed.: What would you do?

    Marginalize him. Treat him like the drunk uncle at the holiday party.

    That would be a more intelligible standard for me if I wasn’t usually the drunk uncle at the holiday party.

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  11. Troy Senik, Ed. Member
    Troy Senik, Ed.
    @TroySenik

    James Gawron:

    Arizona Patriot:The RNC ought to have the authority to exclude candidates during the primary process. I know that this would present some danger of abuse, but I doubt that the RNC would be willing to alienate any substantial segment of GOP voters. The benefit of not having to deal with truly marginal candidates, like The Donald, would outweigh this risk.

    AP,

    You’ve just jogged my thought process. What we could do is a RNC CoC for primary candidates. Allow the RNC to take disciplinary action against candidates who:

    1) Are participating for their own self-promotion and are not seriously interested in winning the general election.

    2) Attack their fellow Republican candidates more than they attack the opposition.

    Both are judgement calls but this would allow the RNC to send warnings to the campaigns before taking action. First warning could be done privately. Second warning publicly. Third warning impose a fine…etc.

    Make any sense?

    Regards,

    Jim

    It’s easy to see how these kinds of standards could spin out of control. Are Ben Carson and Mike Huckabee purely engaged in self-promotion? Were Herman Cain or Rick Santorum in 2012? It’s just too slippery a standard to work with.

    As for number two, the whole point of a primary debate is to differentiate yourself from other candidates. I’d be against any effort to restrict that. When candidates go over the line on that front, they’re generally sanctioned by the voters anyway.

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  12. user_280840 Inactive
    user_280840
    @FredCole

    Troy Senik, Ed.:I’m not sure I agree with Ben’s prescription, as I think the costs may be much higher than the benefits. That said, there’s a crucial distinction to be made here: the process “screens out wackos” insofar as it keeps them from getting the nomination.

    In Trump’s case, you have the relatively rare prospect of someone whose very presence on the debate stage threatens to turn the whole thing into a circus (does anyone think he’ll sit there and quietly wait his turn during debates?).

    But isn’t that the whole point?  To keep a crazy person from  being elected president?  That’s why we have this horrible system.  It tends to filter out the guys who are too wild-eyed crazy to moderate their tone.  I’m all for letting the filter do its thing.

    As far as a “circus” … The flip side to a circus is that it’s at least entertaining.  Sure, Ross Perot didn’t win, but at least he made things more interesting.  And James Stockdale made things awesome.

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  13. Concretevol Thatcher
    Concretevol
    @Concretevol

    Troy Senik, Ed.:

    Mike LaRoche:

    Troy Senik, Ed.:

    Mike LaRoche:Still a better candidate than “Jeb!”

    Far better.

    Wow. Really? I’m far from being a Jeb guy, but the idea that a successful, relatively conservative two-term governor of Florida is an inferior choice to Trump boggles my mind.

    I do, however, think this is emblematic of something that the chattering classes are only now starting to realize: that there is a huge swath of the Republican electorate that will not turn to Jeb under any circumstances. It’s not a matter of marketing or positioning. They’re just not interested in what he’s selling — and they have way too many other options. I regard that as basically insurmountable. I don’t care how much money he raises — I have a hard time seeing how he gets the nomination.

    Yes, really. Jeb is just the next Establican stooge of the year, who cares nothing about the concerns of real conservatives (or for that matter, ordinary Americans) on the matters of amnesty/border control, education, and trade policy. People like him are why I left the Republican Party three years ago.

    I completely get the Jeb criticism. I’m with you on immigration and Common Core, if not on trade.

    I just don’t understand how a guy like Trump — let us not forget, a paragon of real-life crony capitalism — is supposed to be a superior alternative.

    I just can’t even begin to discuss an actual Trump candidacy, he is such a jerk.
    [Edited for CoC]

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  14. Ricochet Member
    Ricochet
    @ArizonaPatriot

    James Gawron:

    Arizona Patriot:The RNC ought to have the authority to exclude candidates during the primary process. I know that this would present some danger of abuse, but I doubt that the RNC would be willing to alienate any substantial segment of GOP voters. The benefit of not having to deal with truly marginal candidates, like The Donald, would outweigh this risk.

    AP,

    You’ve just jogged my thought process. What we could do is a RNC CoC for primary candidates. Allow the RNC to take disciplinary action against candidates who:

    1) Are participating for their own self-promotion and are not seriously interested in winning the general election.

    2) Attack their fellow Republican candidates more than they attack the opposition.

    Both are judgement calls but this would allow the RNC to send warnings to the campaigns before taking action. First warning could be done privately. Second warning publicly. Third warning impose a fine…etc.

    Make any sense?

    Regards,

    Jim

    Yes, something along those lines, if you want it to be more structured.  I’m inclined to leave more discretion in the hands of the RNC.

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  15. EThompson Member
    EThompson
    @

    Frank Soto:

    Marion Evans:You may not like Trump as a candidate but he is certainly not a buffoon. Buffoons don’t build a net worth of $8 billion.

    Kim Kardashian’s net worth is 85 million. Your move, Evans.

    How clever to compare $8 billion to $85 million.

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  16. Ricochet Member
    Ricochet
    @ArizonaPatriot

    By the way, great title, Troy.  Here’s my expansion, to the tune from Sound of Music:

    How do you solve a problem like The Donald?
    How do you drive the man right out of town?
    How do you find a way to describe The Donald?
    A shameless promoter, a dilettante huckster, a clown?

    Many a thing you know you’d like to tell him
    Many a thing he ought to understand
    But how do you find a way
    To get him to go away
    How do you get this goofball to pound sand?

    Oh how do you solve a problem like The Donald?
    How do you stop him ruining your brand?

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  17. Leigh Inactive
    Leigh
    @Leigh

    Fred Cole:

    Troy Senik, Ed.:I’m not sure I agree with Ben’s prescription, as I think the costs may be much higher than the benefits. That said, there’s a crucial distinction to be made here: the process “screens out wackos” insofar as it keeps them from getting the nomination.

    In Trump’s case, you have the relatively rare prospect of someone whose very presence on the debate stage threatens to turn the whole thing into a circus (does anyone think he’ll sit there and quietly wait his turn during debates?).

    But isn’t that the whole point? To keep a crazy person from being elected president? That’s why we have this horrible system. It tends to filter out the guys who are too wild-eyed crazy to moderate their tone. I’m all for letting the filter do its thing.

    As far as a “circus” … The flip side to a circus is that it’s at least entertaining. Sure, Ross Perot didn’t win, but at least he made things more interesting. And James Stockdale made things awesome.

    I’m thinking Lindsey Graham could take care of the entertainment side of things, while maintaining a modicum of senatorial dignity and limiting the damage to the “brand.”

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  18. Frank Soto Member
    Frank Soto
    @FrankSoto

    EThompson:

    Frank Soto:

    Marion Evans:You may not like Trump as a candidate but he is certainly not a buffoon. Buffoons don’t build a net worth of $8 billion.

    Kim Kardashian’s net worth is 85 million. Your move, Evans.

    How clever to compare $8 billion to $85 million.

    You’re correct.  As far as I am aware, Kim Kardashian has never declared bankruptcy, where as Trump has 4 times.   My mistake.

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  19. EThompson Member
    EThompson
    @

    Frank Soto:

    EThompson:

    Frank Soto:

    Marion Evans:You may not like Trump as a candidate but he is certainly not a buffoon. Buffoons don’t build a net worth of $8 billion.

    Kim Kardashian’s net worth is 85 million. Your move, Evans.

    How clever to compare $8 billion to $85 million.

    You’re correct. As far as I am aware, Kim Kardashian has never declared bankruptcy, where as Trump has 4 times. My mistake.

    Indeed, but never mistake Trump for a lightweight. Read:  How Does Trump Repeatedly File for Bankruptcy 

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  20. Troy Senik, Ed. Member
    Troy Senik, Ed.
    @TroySenik

    Arizona Patriot:By the way, great title, Troy.

    To give credit where it’s due, it was pointed out to me that Newsweek used a similar headline for Sarah Palin several years ago, which may have been in the back of mind.

    To give credit where it’s more rightly due, mine actually had the right number of syllables.

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  21. Frank Soto Member
    Frank Soto
    @FrankSoto

    EThompson:

    Frank Soto:

    EThompson:

    Frank Soto:

    Marion Evans:You may not like Trump as a candidate but he is certainly not a buffoon. Buffoons don’t build a net worth of $8 billion.

    Kim Kardashian’s net worth is 85 million. Your move, Evans.

    How clever to compare $8 billion to $85 million.

    You’re correct. As far as I am aware, Kim Kardashian has never declared bankruptcy, where as Trump has 4 times. My mistake.

    Indeed, but never mistake Trump for a lightweight.

    Read: How Does Trump Repeatedly File for Bankruptcy

    I never mistook him for a light weight, I merely recognize a buffoon when I see one. The idea that one cannot be a buffoon and rich is silly.

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  22. user_138562 Moderator
    user_138562
    @RandyWeivoda

    A few years ago when Trump was contemplating running, a reporter asked him why – if he is a Republican – he has given far more campaign contributions to Democrats than Republicans.  Trump said those elections were in cities or states where the Democrat was going to win anyway, so he wanted to be on record as a contributor so that those politicians would be inclined to help Trump if he needed something from the government.  Some people will call that just being a smart businessman.  I am not one of those people.

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  23. EThompson Member
    EThompson
    @

    Frank Soto:

    EThompson:

    Frank Soto:

    EThompson:

    Frank Soto:

    Marion Evans:You may not like Trump as a candidate but he is certainly not a buffoon. Buffoons don’t build a net worth of $8 billion.

    Kim Kardashian’s net worth is 85 million. Your move, Evans.

    How clever to compare $8 billion to $85 million.

    You’re correct. As far as I am aware, Kim Kardashian has never declared bankruptcy, where as Trump has 4 times. My mistake.

    Indeed, but never mistake Trump for a lightweight.

    Read: How Does Trump Repeatedly File for Bankruptcy

    I never mistook him for a light weight, I merely recognize a buffoon when I see one. The idea that one cannot be a buffoon and rich is silly.

    He’s worth $8 billion with a hit TV series and people might actually vote for him to run in 2016. He lives a most marvelous and interesting life in the most competitive city in the world despite a bad haircut.

    I could only aspire to be such a buffoon!

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  24. Frank Soto Member
    Frank Soto
    @FrankSoto

    EThompson:

    Frank Soto:

    I never mistook him for a light weight, I merely recognize a buffoon when I see one. The idea that one cannot be a buffoon and rich is silly.

    He’s worth $8 billion with a hit TV series and people might actually vote for him to run in 2016. He lives a most marvelous and interesting life in the most competitive city in the world despite a bad haircut.

    I could only aspire to be such a buffoon!

    If you had a millionaire father who acquired 27,000 properties which you then inherited, you’d find it easier than you might think.

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  25. user_82762 Inactive
    user_82762
    @JamesGawron

    Frank Soto:

    EThompson:

    Frank Soto:

    I never mistook him for a light weight, I merely recognize a buffoon when I see one. The idea that one cannot be a buffoon and rich is silly.

    He’s worth $8 billion with a hit TV series and people might actually vote for him to run in 2016. He lives a most marvelous and interesting life in the most competitive city in the world despite a bad haircut.

    I could only aspire to be such a buffoon!

    If you had a millionaire father who acquired 27,000 properties which you then inherited, you’d find it easier than you might think.

    Frank,

    Yes I can see that. However, the question is where did he get the hair? It doesn’t appear to be of terrestrial origin.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  26. EThompson Member
    EThompson
    @

    Frank Soto:

    EThompson:

    Frank Soto:

    I never mistook him for a light weight, I merely recognize a buffoon when I see one. The idea that one cannot be a buffoon and rich is silly.

    He’s worth $8 billion with a hit TV series and people might actually vote for him to run in 2016. He lives a most marvelous and interesting life in the most competitive city in the world despite a bad haircut.

    I could only aspire to be such a buffoon!

    If you had a millionaire father who acquired 27,000 properties which you then inherited, you’d find it easier than you might think.

    I don’t buy into that tired ‘silver spoon’ theory. His father owned properties worth bupkis compared to the empire the son created.

    That’s the argument they all made against Mitt Romney as well who is worth $250 million dollars more than his late affluent CEO father George.

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  27. Petty Boozswha Inactive
    Petty Boozswha
    @PettyBoozswha

    Trump graduated first in his class at the Wharton School. He understands the real estate business requires the talents of a used car salesman in a plaid sports coat and pork pie hat. He’s in this to be the Howard Stern of the debates, and I don’t think that is going to be good for us in the long run

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  28. Keith Keystone Member
    Keith Keystone
    @KeithKeystone

    I think Trump’s entry to the race will help Republicans. People are now talking about the Republican race, and the ratings for the first debate will be huge, which gives lesser known candidates a chance to be seen and heard.

    And I wouldn’t worry about how it may make the Republicans look silly; the Democrats so far have fielded an elderly elite woman who has not driven a car in two decades, a socialist, and a guy whose top priority is bringing back the metric system.

    I think we’ll be alright.

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  29. TKC1101 Member
    TKC1101
    @

    Oh for Pete’s sake.  When the media tries to shame the GOP on Trump, just grin and say

    “Oh that Donald, he speaks from his heart. I may not agree with everything he says but he sure cares about the working folk.

    You media and democrats have your crazy millionaire in Hillary and we have Donald.”

    Then flash your best aw shucks smile and move on….

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  30. Marion Evans Inactive
    Marion Evans
    @MarionEvans

    Frank Soto:

    EThompson:

    Frank Soto:

    EThompson:

    Frank Soto:

    Marion Evans:You may not like Trump as a candidate but he is certainly not a buffoon. Buffoons don’t build a net worth of $8 billion.

    Kim Kardashian’s net worth is 85 million. Your move, Evans.

    How clever to compare $8 billion to $85 million.

    You’re correct. As far as I am aware, Kim Kardashian has never declared bankruptcy, where as Trump has 4 times. My mistake.

    Indeed, but never mistake Trump for a lightweight.

    Read: How Does Trump Repeatedly File for Bankruptcy

    I never mistook him for a light weight, I merely recognize a buffoon when I see one. The idea that one cannot be a buffoon and rich is silly.

    He is not ‘rich’. Rich starts at a few millions. He is worth 8,000 millions. It’s a whole other category. And no, absolutely not, you can’t make $8 billion and be a buffoon.

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