The Race for Second?

 

Paul pauses during a network news interview on Capitol Hill in WashingtonThere is no next-in-line for the GOP nomination this cycle. We had one of the least-inspiring candidates the last time around — last two times? — while the other candidates all sputtered and fell.

This means the race is wide open, and we’ve already had much better talent announced already than we’ve had in the recent past (admittedly, not the highest bar to clear). But I think the vast majority of people, whether or not Scott Walker is exactly their man, don’t see any of the senators pictured here as having what it takes to make it.

This leads to speculation of what exactly Cruz, Rubio, and Paul are trying to accomplish by running. Sure, it will expand their national profile, and that’s usually a good thing for the narcissists who think they can and should rule others. Maybe they are trying to influence debate and nudge the platform and eventual nominee in their preferred direction.

Or perhaps these talented, but less-than-presidentially-credentialed, men are aiming for something more: they want to be the runner up.

What better spot for an ambitious, younger (Cruz and Rubio are both in the early 40s and Paul is less than ten years older) firebrand then to be the party’s default choice four, eight, twelve years from now? Maybe you’ll be Vice President. Maybe you’ll have a chance to snag a governorship in the state you’ve already represented in the Senate. Maybe lightning will strike and the course of events will leave you with the nomination against a weak, decrepit, corrupt, geriatric of the in-party when people have the 7-year itch.

Either way, the most coveted prize for these individuals isn’t necessarily to catch fire and burn out in this cycle, but rather to become the parties default choice with a little more experience, a few more accomplishments, some more wisdom, and the benefit that comes from having been through the nomination process once before.

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  1. TKC1101 Member
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    Rubio/ Walker with Cruz as Attorney General.  Works for me. 16 years of running the executive might be enough to begin to fix things for my grandchildren.

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  2. Leigh Inactive
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    Frank Soto:

    Mike H:

    Frank Soto:I like Rubio, and he is my second choice behind Walker right now. I do want to say that I definitely don’t want him as the VP if he isn’t the presidential nominees, as he is too valuable holding a senate seat in the purple state of Florida.

    According to The Daily Shot, Rubio is not running for reelection for his Senate seat. So what now?

    Since Florida law doesn’t prevent him from running for the seat, then I have to say he is behaving recklessly.

    According to reports, Rubio hates the Senate.  This is a sympathetic position.  It’s also, perhaps, not the best reason to leave it — but who can tell another how they must serve?

    I wish, at least, that he were not closing the door so early.  But I can’t dismiss him as a political candidate, either.  He has an appeal the other two don’t.  I just don’t want him and Walker to cancel each other out.

    I’d be fine in theory with Rubio as VP — but he can’t be Bush’s choice, and Walker has indicated he’d prefer a governor.  The dynamics of the race could change that, for better or worse.

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  3. Pete EE Member
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    There is no next-in-line for the GOP nomination this cycle.

    I think the obvious next-in-line is Rick Perry.

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  4. Miffed White Male Member
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    The King Prawn:

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    As to the OP, anyone who gets into this without actually desiring the office is crazy. Going through the process to put a feather in one’s cap is just plain masochistic.

    The point is they are angling for it the next time around, but they’d take it now if it was handed to ‘um.

    This could indicate we have a problem on our side of running our candidates through a dry run before really putting them up for the office. Can’t say I’m a fan of the idea.

    That’s pretty much how we got Bill Clinton.  Most of the “serious” Democrats sat out the 1992 race because Bush looked unbeatable after the Gulf War.  Clinton got in for the practice, and to build up a donor base for the next round.  Then  we had a mild recession and H. Ross Perot.

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  5. The Lost Dutchman Member
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    Spin:Neither Cruz, Paul, nor Rubio has what it takes to become President. We know this because we’ve never seen a poorly credentialed, first term senator become President.

    Actually, we’ve been seeing what happened when a poorly credentialed, first term senator becomes President for the past six years- but don’t worry, it’s even stronger evidence for your point.

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  6. user_653084 Inactive
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    Merina Smith: I think it would be very, very smart to tap Susannah Martinez or Nicki Haley for Veep. This would counter Hil’s “woman” advantage.

    I don’t think that’s the case. The sort of people who are likely to be excited about Hillary  being the first woman president are not likely to change their minds because the GOP candidate picked a woman for the (largely irrelevant and powerless) position of VP.

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  7. user_545548 Member
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    I’m half convinced that when Obama tossed his hat into the ring for the 2008 race that he was only laying the groundwork for 2012.

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  8. James Of England Inactive
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    John Hendrix:

    Frank Soto:

    Mike H:

    Frank Soto:I like Rubio, and he is my second choice behind Walker right now. I do want to say that I definitely don’t want him as the VP if he isn’t the presidential nominees, as he is too valuable holding a senate seat in the purple state of Florida.

    According to The Daily Shot, Rubio is not running for reelection for his Senate seat. So what now?

    Since Florida law doesn’t prevent him from running for the seat, then I have to say he is behaving recklessly.

    Uh, recklessly in regard to what? His political career? The GOP’s margin in the senate?

    For what it is worth, I had sorta assumed that should Rubio win neither the Presidency nor the VP slot then he would just run for governor of Florida. Scot will be term limited out in 2018. This will give Rubio two years to run for governor of Florida.

    If Rubio becomes the governor of Florida then he will obtain the executive experience of running a large, complicated state and be better qualified the next time he runs for President.

    I think this is true, but your answer of “the GOP’s margin in the senate” rings true. I suspect that the party would be quite a lot better off with Rubio running for Governor as a sitting senator, but maybe Rubio will perform amazingly this cycle and I’ll get to enjoy eating my crow in a Rubio administration.

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  9. James Of England Inactive
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    Salvatore Padula:

    Merina Smith: I think it would be very, very smart to tap Susannah Martinez or Nicki Haley for Veep. This would counter Hil’s “woman” advantage.

    I don’t think that’s the case. The sort of people who are likely to be excited about Hillary being the first woman president are not likely to change their minds because the GOP candidate picked a woman for the (largely irrelevant and powerless) position of VP.

    I think that it would be easy to overstate the impact; you’re right that the vast bulk of women wouldn’t be impacted by it.

    I also think that the impact can be understated, though. Liberal attacks on our female candidate would dramatically limit the success of their arguments that conservative attacks on Rodham were gendered. In particular, it would energize the conservative female vote to see protection for women being explicitly not extended to them.

    Also, it’d mean that voting R wasn’t saying that women would never have their turn, but that they’d have to wait a little. If we have Martinez or Haley as Veep this cycle, a win would make it extremely likely that Martinez or Haley would be our nominee in ’24. That’s not an irrelevant or powerless position, even before the Vice Presidential duties (was Cheney irrelevant or powerless? Gore? Bush?), or the possibility of candidate death or resignation. Having a, say, 20% chance of taking the most powerful job in the world seems more important than being, for instance, a Senator, a Governor, or, really, any job that isn’t POTUS. Maybe the Chief Justice is more important, but that’s a stiff bar for being relevant or powerful.

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