The Unnaturals

 

Blueprint_for_Vetruvian_man_by_ThE_UnKO_LeMaLife has a natural order which must be respected in order to achieve happiness. Most conservatives agree to that. Men and women are naturally different. Children are naturally different from adults. Suffering and death are a natural part of life, and we should be skeptical of any utopian scheme that wishes to circumvent them.

I concede all that. Yet in conceding that, I cannot help but conclude that my own existence is deeply unnatural. Let me explain.

Without the intervention of modern medicine, I would have died several times over in childhood. If you asked me whether Mother Nature intended me to be alive, the only reasonable answer I could come up with is “No”. Moreover, I’m a third-generation unnatural: the child of a child who would have died in childhood without heroic medical intervention. I married a man who has robust good health, but it’s likely that our children (should we manage to have any) will be fourth-generation unnaturals.

Moreover, asthma — the most obvious (though not the only) problem that should have caused my childhood death — intensifies with each successive generation. My siblings were luckier, some not having asthma at all. But when children with asthma are rescued from death and survive to reproduce, is it any surprise when future generations are born with worse asthma? Moreover, wouldn’t we expect similar results to hold for any heritable malady that used to kill people off before they reproduced but now — thanks to modern technology — doesn’t have to? What, if anything, does that mean for humanity as a whole?

Now, many asthmatics are highly intelligent and productive people. That is, productive if they can keep the asthma and its many comorbidities under control. Thanks to modern pharmacology, many can. Regardless, asthma is inherently an impediment to productivity and even life itself. Attempting to live a productive life with severe asthma these days involves all sorts of artificial manipulation, from consumption of artificial hormones to injecting yourself with mouse antibodies raised in hamster cells. Sometimes, even that is insufficient.

Wait, back up a sec. Injecting yourself with mouse-hamster antibodies in order to become more productive? Isn’t that sort of like transhumanism?

Well, is it?

Or what if — instead of injecting themselves with the mouse-hamster antibodies — asthmatics could inject themselves with a virus that infected their DNA with genes to express those antibodies? Would deliberately changing their DNA in this way make asthmatics any less human?

So often on Ricochet, we talk about natural-versus-unnatural in the context of death or reproduction; but if this divide is important at the endpoints of life, isn’t it more important in its midst? Where do we draw the line between natural and unnatural survival, between natural and unnatural functioning? And is it any surprise that — to unnaturals like me — the line already seems pathologically blurred? Is it any surprise that we unnaturals who respect traditionalist arguments for natural human boundaries also feel alienated from those boundaries?

What about you? Are you an unnatural, too? Has that changed your conception of what “natural” means, or if “natural” means anything at all?

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  1. user_1029039 Inactive
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    @JasonRudert

    I like the idea that human life has value, that there are things we shouldn’t do to each other for the sake of convenience, or other trivial reasons. I find it comforting. But it still nags at me: what reason do I have to think that it should compel us to limit our tinkering with nature? Why is it that I find a model that includes a supernatural component to be more compelling than one based just on reason and nature, when I don’t believe in a supernatural God? Is it just because I grew up in Utah and it sort of rubbed off on me?

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  2. user_1029039 Inactive
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    @JasonRudert

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake: Identical twins are natural clones of each other, and have never been treated as having only one soul between them as far as I know of, even though they’re often said to share a special bond.

     But twins aren’t man-made; they aren’t fabricated. We can still keep up the belief that God created them in the sense that they are “endowed by their creator with certain rights…”
    Should that still apply to customized or fabricated humans? I’m inclined to say that we should treat them as full people, because they have the same brains and feelings as we do. I would feel sympathy for a clone who was mistreated or injured, same as I do a person now.

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  3. user_1029039 Inactive
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    @JasonRudert

    But it may be possible some day to create a race of Morlocks or what have you, capable of doing our unpleasant jobs, but without the self-awareness that they are living a narrowly circumscribed life. Would we stay cold to them? People have changed their attitudes towards animals; there is a huge controversy here about an officer who shot a guy’s dog–people literally don’t get this upset when a child is killed. We would do well to make these creatures hideously ugly, I mean not like ugly-cute like a pug, so that our sympathies would not interfere with their utility.

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  4. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
    Midget Faded Rattlesnake
    @Midge

    Jason Rudert:

    But twins aren’t man-made; they aren’t fabricated. We can still keep up the belief that God created them in the sense that they are “endowed by their creator with certain rights…” Should that still apply to customized or fabricated humans? I’m inclined to say that we should treat them as full people, because they have the same brains and feelings as we do. I would feel sympathy for a clone who was mistreated or injured, same as I do a person now.

    I have a hard time believing that the former IVF babies walking around today are anything other than creatures made in God’s image, even though how they were made in God’s image wasn’t the usual way. Moreover, I think many human beings today are customized or even fabricated in some way (breast implants?). Certain customizations may be wise or unwise, but I don’t see the whole category of customization as dehumanizing. Else I have been dehumanized.

    If IVF didn’t involve discarding embryos or selective abortion (and perhaps someday it might not), how big a moral problem would it be for people?

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  5. user_1029039 Inactive
    user_1029039
    @JasonRudert

    By Customizing I mean custom genes. Are you still made in God’s image if you’ve had wolverine DNA mixed in to make you a sports legend?

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  6. user_1029039 Inactive
    user_1029039
    @JasonRudert

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake: If IVF didn’t involve discarding embryos or selective abortion (and perhaps someday it might not), how big a moral problem would it be for people?

     I think very little, even for very religious people.

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  7. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    @Midge

    Jason Rudert:

    By Customizing I mean custom genes. Are you still made in God’s image if you’ve had wolverine DNA mixed in to make you a sports legend?

    Perhaps it would have to depend on degree or intent, since it doesn’t depend on the mere presence of foreign genetic material. Transgenic organisms sometimes occur naturally. A while back there was some excitement over a sea slug that seemed to have incorporated algae DNA into its genome, making it perhaps the first documented case of natural transgenic activity between multicellular organisms. And viruses have been “customizing” humans since before we were human, though inquiring after a virus’s intent is rather pointless.

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  8. user_138562 Moderator
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    @RandyWeivoda

    Misthiocracy:

    Randy Weivoda:

    Raccoons are supposed to be pretty smart, but I’ve sure seen a lot of dead ones alongside roads. Perhaps many raccoons are smart, but suicidal.

    1. Urban roads, or rural roads? Rural racoons are much dumber than urban ones. They also have much larger territories, and are more prone to wander.
    2. If urban roads, how big were these racoons? The main reason urban racoons cross a busy road is because they’ve just been chased out of another racoon’s territory, or they’re making a run into a female’s territory for a little nookie. Either way, they’re almost certainly male.

     Those would indeed be rural raccoons, about medium size I guess.

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  9. user_138562 Moderator
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    @RandyWeivoda

    Jason Rudert:

    I leave for a few hours and this turns into a dead raccoon thread?

     Easily my best laugh of the day.

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  10. user_138562 Moderator
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    @RandyWeivoda

    I’m in favor of genetic engineering for now, since what is on the drawing board is mostly about problem solving, like eliminating gene combinations that lead to disease or disability.  If we get to the point that people start customizing their babies because they’ve always wanted a 7-foot tall daughter or a kid with feathers, that’s a problem.  Regardless of customizations, these are human babies and they should not be modified just because their parents have a quirky sense of humor.

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  11. Misthiocracy Member
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    @Misthiocracy

    Randy Weivoda:

    Misthiocracy:

    Randy Weivoda:

    Raccoons are supposed to be pretty smart, but I’ve sure seen a lot of dead ones alongside roads. Perhaps many raccoons are smart, but suicidal.

    1. Urban roads, or rural roads? Rural racoons are much dumber than urban ones. They also have much larger territories, and are more prone to wander.
    2. If urban roads, how big were these racoons? The main reason urban racoons cross a busy road is because they’ve just been chased out of another racoon’s territory, or they’re making a run into a female’s territory for a little nookie. Either way, they’re almost certainly male.

    Those would indeed be rural raccoons, about medium size I guess.

    Well there ya go. Country critters don’t grasp the concept of “vehicular crittercide” as well as city critters who study the issue on a daily basis and regularly conduct symposia on the question.

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  12. iWc Coolidge
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    @iWe

    I have it easy. The Torah says the world was created imperfect, and it is our job to make it better.

    Indeed, theHebrew opposite for “holy” is most literally translated as “raw” or “beginning state.”

    As such, it is holy work to improve upon the natural world in every sense (art elevates pigments just as medicine elevates physiology).

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  13. Julia PA Inactive
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    @JulesPA

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake: should I forgo drugs that would stop these things on the grounds that I neither fight crime nor Nazis?

    But Midge, we don’t know what your future holds, or ours. And so, we preserve your life, and that of others, when within our resources and knowledge, in anticipation of virtuous and positive contributions to our world.
    As far as manipulating DNA, human or otherwise, we must be willing to accept the consequences of our manipulation…

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  14. Owen Findy Inactive
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    @OwenFindy

    “Where do we draw the line between natural and unnatural survival, between natural and unnatural functioning?”

    The place I start, even if I allow that I might end up drawing some distinctions later, is that everything man does is natural, part of his nature.  Man is part of nature.  Everything he invents, all medicine, every triumph over the limits of the non-human part of the natural world, is natural.  The property of naturality is sort of transitive (though transitivity is, strictly speaking, a feature of relations).

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  15. Tuck Inactive
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    @Tuck

    Misthiocracy: Makes sense. Being able to do differential calculus won’t help get a campfire started.

    So what I expect you’re seeing there is academics testing Raccoons for aspects of intelligence that academics find appealing, and therefore declaring them intelligent, because they are similar to academics. 

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  16. Nanda Panjandrum Member
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    @

    Hadn’t read this before last night’s AMU, Midge, but, as an unnatural, too (born @ 5 months gestation, hospital just got its incubator *that day*) I’m glad we’re both here!  Talk to you after rehearsals.

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  17. user_656019 Coolidge
    user_656019
    @RayKujawa

    It is an illusion if you think natural and unnatural in this context. Does this make you any less in the image of the Creator? I thought most discussion of natural vs. unnatural had more to do with behavior.

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  18. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
    Midget Faded Rattlesnake
    @Midge

    Ray Kujawa:

    It is an illusion if you think natural and unnatural in this context. Does this make you any less in the image of the Creator? I thought most discussion of natural vs. unnatural had more to do with behavior.

    Altering your (or your child’s) body is a behavior, though. And I’m not saying this distinction between natural and unnatural isn’t an illusion, just that it’s a distinction that might occur to some people given the way that (possibly other) people use the term.

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  19. Misthiocracy Member
    Misthiocracy
    @Misthiocracy

    Tuck:

    Misthiocracy: Makes sense. Being able to do differential calculus won’t help get a campfire started.

    So what I expect you’re seeing there is academics testing Raccoons for aspects of intelligence that academics find appealing, and therefore declaring them intelligent, because they are similar to academics.

    For a second there I thought I was on the IQ thread.

    Wakka wakka wakka!

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