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How does a ship lose power this way?
This is going to end up being declared a preventable accident. My prediction is that money was saved on maintenance and had a catastrophic failure at the wrong time and people died.
Whomever owns this company should be extradited when it all comes out.
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Has Pete issued his verdict, or is he on maternity leave again?
People are trying to make something of the drastic turn but someone speculated it was dropping anchor to drag and brake. I’m looking for confirmation. Other than unfortunate series off circumstances, I doubt if anything else is found.
There’s the portside anchor, but if the ship were restarted and put into reverse a single screw would create propeller walk. I’ve seen boats walk the stern to port when highly revved, pivoting on its center of resistance, even while moving forward.
So therefore all other accidents can be assumed, before few facts are known, to be the result of cost-cutting measures?
You kind of did. It will always be possible for a company to spend “more money” to reduce the possibility of a death from use of their product. How do you define the legal/moral boundary between “we’ve spent enough” and “you’re cutting costs just to make money”.
Companies and people will always mess up and people will always die. That’s a 100% unavoidable fact of life.
Information about the ship in question: Construction started in 2014, power is a single MAN 55000 horsepower diesel. Fixed pitch propeller. Owned by a Greek company, chartered to Maersk.
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Sorry, I was joking.
Sorry to both OB and Bryan. My Comment was meant to be ironic.
Well that link on crashes does not have to do with the Alaska Airline incident I was talking about.
I thought you were talking about this. If not, it was my bad.
Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
Boeing aircraft are dropping parts from the sky after several of them decided to fly themselves into the ground.
I made a prediction based on the following:
A. Many companies are pushing more and more ways to cost save above all else. We have seen it in several places.
B. Container ships are actually not the best built or maintained ships in the world. I have seen more than one report to that effect.
So, yeah, I have made a prediction.
That does not mean I think “only evil companies seek to cut costs”. My OP has nothing remotely like that. But, it was so important to you to castigate me, you had to put words into my mouth.
I have not called all cost cutting evil. What I have said, quite clearly, is I expect we will find out that cost cutting is the ultimate thing to blame. That is perfectly fair prediction, as much as someone blaming DEI would be. Your comment was no more warranted than Vol’s calling me a Marxist.
Apparently, either I am 100% behind every single attempt to boost profit, or I am a commie!
No. I. Did. Not.
Obviously this is not what I meant. There is a huge difference between demanding, say, a totally redundant power plant on standby just because, and demanding a reasonable standard of keeping things maintained. Saving money by not paying for upkeep is not acceptable.
I did not ask if it happens, I asked it it was acceptable.
Excuse me, but the comment he was responding too was this:
Boeing’s panel fell off totally because of cost cutting measures.
That is what I was talking about when cost cutting. That.
Edit: Oh and the man you defending understood after I corrected him. I think he can fight his own battles.
Thank you, Yes, and that is because of cost cutting.
How do you know that?
Mind you, every company should always be thinking about cost-cutting, but that’s not the same as cost-cutting above all else.
Yes ! I knew it!! You finally admit it!
(The above quote may have been taken out of context or be a part of a longer quote that the reader may want to investigate independently.)
Instead of assembling the fuselage in Boeing plants, they’ve outsourced it to a company called “Spirit.” Only final assembly is done in Boeing plants.
I’ll add that as a cost-cutting measure, Boeing no longer has engineers on test flights for QA/design issues. They’ve outsourced that to an Indian company that runs simulations.
I’m sure I can find other cost-cutting items that would seem to bear on the overall safety and reliability of Boeing aircraft, but I have more productive things to do. I’ll say that Bryan has some strong points as they relate to Boeing, and we don’t know if similar issues are at play in the Dali vs the FSK bridge incident. After all, it’s been less than 24 hours.
But if all vehicle traffic had cleared the bridge first, who got killed? How many people WALK across that bridge?
What I have seen reported on it.
There were eight workers on the bridge fixing potholes, and six are still missing.
Okay, but the media sound like it’s dozens or hundreds.
Correct, I’ve done it myself. But a 20 foot work boat is several orders of magnitude away from a ship nearly 1000 feet long and displacing 95000 tons.
Some part of the software is being done overseas too. I don’t know how much. I don’t have the contacts with them that I once did.
So much for all the talk of ISIS-K ramming the bridge. Often, an accident is just an accident.
I have known two people who worked on the style container ship that this thing was. Both of them stated that there were crews of six people max.
Whether they were misinformed, which seems unlikely as they worked on the ships or else the statement of 29 people being on board the ship that took out the bridge is not at all representative of how things often are.
Legalman on “X” weighs in on the event:
If you’re going to use a ship to ram a bridge as a terror attack, you don’t do it at 1:30 AM on a Tuesday morning.
https://www.businesstoday.in/amp/industry/aviation/story/used-dish-soap-as-lubricant-in-door-seal-faas-boeing-737-max-audit-finds-unacceptable-lapses-422794-2024-03-26
And what pray tell do you expect this thwarted investigation to have revealed?