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On Israel and ‘Root Causes’
According to today’s Hamasophiles, Gaza’s leadership is justified in their terror attacks against Israel because “Zionists stole their land.” Before that, the British “stole their land,” which they seem to forget.
Of course, the Brits stole the land from the Ottoman Empire in the first world war. Well, kind of. The sultan decided the region wasn’t populated enough, so he imported Arab Muslims from other regions, such as Yemen and Syria, creating many of today’s “Palestinians.” In other words, Gaza’s ancestors stole it from the Arabs, Jews, and Christians who already lived in the region.
The Ottomans stole it from the Egyptian Mamluks, who inherited it from Egypt’s Ayyubids, who had stolen it from Frankish Crusaders. Those short-lived Christian rulers had stolen it from Fatimid Caliphate, which was preceded by several other caliphates. Which had stolen it from the Byzantine/Roman Empire.
Before that, Rome stole it from the Jews, who stole it from the Greeks, who stole it from the Jews, who were given it by the Neo-Babylonians, who had stolen it from the Assyrians, who had stolen it from the Jews.
People who rely on root causes always stop the historiography the second they discover a group they don’t like. Funny how that works.
Published in General
Re: The Lebanon commets. People died during a war. No kidding. My remark addressed the dishonest and untrue accusation that Israel bore direct and sole responsibility for the massacre at Sabra and Shatila. Not even the Kahane Commission went that far. Which raises another point: Will there be an equivalent commission in Gaza to investigate and even attempt to prosecute the murderers, rapists, thugs, looters, kidnappers, and torturers (often the same men) from October 7th, 2023? No, because the Gazans and the Arab world generally approved of and cheered on this monstrous, bloodthirsty pogrom. Their moral inferiority to Israel is manifest in the answer to that question alone.
Ah, Benny Morris, tendentious pseudo-historian Nice to see you adduce him as a source. Try Efraim Karsh instead.
Lynch mob reported by Deutsche Welle.
Apt quote: “We were exposed to the whole world as cave savages.”
Use of the word “occupation” is buying in to the antisemitic lies.
Yup. The use of the word in this context is itself a lie.
Come to think of it, there were Western dupes and Nazi propagandists who insisted at the time that Hitler didn’t really mean what he wrote.
And then there’s this:
. . . from the leader of Hamas comfortably ensconced in Qatar. He might have said, “you have to break a few eggs. . .”
Who’s responsible for Palestinian deaths again?
@zafar
Do you believe that people do evil because they are evil or because they are mistreated? Do you believe in evil at all?
Since it’s of interest to you.
Worth a read.
No, I think it will take the ICC. Which will require evidence.
A corrupt organization. You are a leftist through and through.
So funny you defend people who would happily murder you.
The only way is to defeat them in war then hold your own trials.
https://johnkassnews.com/one-sided-rules-of-war/
We all have the capacity to be evil. It’s unfortunately part of being human.
Some cultures are more so than others.
The Palestinians are uncivilized barbarians. They celebrate death.
The “aid” money goes to buy weapons, but Isamil Haniyeh takes his cut off the top. Hey, room service is expensive in Qatar.
There is a difference between evil people and evil cultures. The October raid was by an evil culture.
But you only respond to people being evil as a response to trauma. I don’t think that is how it works.
I think you are historically correct. The Ottomans “conquered the people and ruled over them”. Very generous indeed! What does “conquering and ruling” over a people look like? “Forcing” them to assimilate I’m assuming
That’s why Turkish is so widely spoken.
Carried out by evil people.
Agreed. The sorry state of the justice system is to a significant degree due to the leftist lie that criminals are merely people who have been “deprived” or “mistreated” and therefore can be reformed with kind words and endless second chances. The same error can be seen in calls to “understand” Islam’s proclivity for tyranny and killing.
That’s what’s relevant. Actions are only carried out by people. That’s who you can hold responsible.
So we can hold Hamas responsible for the deaths of Gazan civilians, too, since they’re using them as human shields and keeping them from evacuating.
There are probably a number of ways it happens. Btw, I think all cultures have the capacity to be evil as well.
Sure. Can other people hold Israel entirely responsible for the terrorism attack on the 7th of October? Sure. But does either make any sense unless you’re preaching to the choir and have a black and white view of the participants?
One set of participants filmed themselves torturing and murdering families and raped women (and children?) until they broke their pelvises and beheaded babies. Unless you believe that’s all Israeli propaganda.
There isn’t any equivalency between Hamas and Israel and Palestinians throughout the world were celebrating the torture rape and murder of Jews. That doesn’t justify me beating up a Palestinian-American anymore than it justifies mobs thuggishly harassing Jewish students on college campuses.
However, Jews don’t celebrate rape and torture against Palestinians. Nor do they harass Palestinian minorities in Europe or the United States. Jews can be jerks like anyone can be jerks and Palestinians can be Saints but one culture is much worse than the other. I really wish that Palestinian culture and Islamic culture in general would change and became peaceful towards, non-Muslims, Muslims they disagree with, Jews, homosexuals and black-Africans. American culture was pretty terrible towards blacks and homosexuals for a long time but we got better. I don’t think Islamic culture can get better.
One set of ‘participants’ has – among other things – killed about 7000 this month, 3000 of these children, they have condemned others to die of communicable diseases like cholera, they have in the past maimed people protesting peacefully. They have filmed none of this, but they’ve done it. How much of it? I can’t swear to – because the other ‘participants’ have ALSO produced propaganda about it. I will say that one ‘participant’ has released the names of the dead, along with national ID numbers, when challenged. These ID numbers are from the population registry which is maintained, for the area between the river and the sea, by Israel.
It is probably also worthwhile to hear what survivors have to say, as well as hostages released from Gaza. Not to excuse cruelty or killing, but just for more information.
So what exactly should Israel do instead? Come on man. Give me an alternative. It’s not like I want to reign down bombs on Palestinians. They have hummus.
It is an evil culture. Arrest those perps and more will replace them.