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On Israel and ‘Root Causes’
According to today’s Hamasophiles, Gaza’s leadership is justified in their terror attacks against Israel because “Zionists stole their land.” Before that, the British “stole their land,” which they seem to forget.
Of course, the Brits stole the land from the Ottoman Empire in the first world war. Well, kind of. The sultan decided the region wasn’t populated enough, so he imported Arab Muslims from other regions, such as Yemen and Syria, creating many of today’s “Palestinians.” In other words, Gaza’s ancestors stole it from the Arabs, Jews, and Christians who already lived in the region.
The Ottomans stole it from the Egyptian Mamluks, who inherited it from Egypt’s Ayyubids, who had stolen it from Frankish Crusaders. Those short-lived Christian rulers had stolen it from Fatimid Caliphate, which was preceded by several other caliphates. Which had stolen it from the Byzantine/Roman Empire.
Before that, Rome stole it from the Jews, who stole it from the Greeks, who stole it from the Jews, who were given it by the Neo-Babylonians, who had stolen it from the Assyrians, who had stolen it from the Jews.
People who rely on root causes always stop the historiography the second they discover a group they don’t like. Funny how that works.
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Sigh.
From the link:
Sabra and Chatila are in Beirut.
(Anyway, there are at least two really excellent Israeli films about the 1982 war: Lebanon and Waltz With Bashir.)
Wrt poisoning wells, you can take it up with the (Zionist) historian Benny Morris.
Dude, if Israel keeps bombing Palestinians in Gaza (or the Lebanese in Lebanon) chances are that the victims will blame Israel rather than Hamas or Hezbollah. That’s human nature.
Whether those doing the bombing wear a uniform or not seems unlikely to change that.
You could say that about the Oslo Process I guess.
Israel has managed to create a multi-ethnic, prosperous State which has offered a refuge to Jews displaced by Europeans and Muslim countries. With its significant Muslim minority, it has proven that co-existence within borders can work, even if it is strained from time to time.
If Palestinians could learn from this example, and create a State with a Jewish minority which has similar status to the Muslin minority in Israel, and would engage diplomatically and economically with Israel, there could be peace and prosperity for all.
Palestinian rejectionism is the root cause of the conflict, and is exacerbated by the use of Palestinians as pawns by Iran.
. . . and envy. The West, generally, is under attack because of its prosperity and success. And a lot of it is coming from inside. The Left and its allies are all about envy and resentment, which is why Palestinians can never make peace with Israel no matter what Israel offers.
Yes, and the Jews first stole it from the Canaanites, but you don’t hear them complaining. . .
Of course, most of them were displaced — right off the planet.
No, because they use human shields – they hide among their people and even place their people in situations where they will be killed, all done to hinder the military operations of the more civilized Israelis. It is time to blame Hamas for their tactics and for Israel to conduct the war as it must to win.
No. Israel is in no position to sort them • only Palestinians can do that.
anti-Semitism is the root cause. After the massacre, the way to end it is to wipe out Hamas.
It was made inevitable by Israel’s forbearance. Time to kill or be killed. There is now a state of war. There is no going back. Let’s hope the war doesn’t spread.
All your solutions are irrelevant after the massacre. A state of war exists.
Irrelevant. They are at war.
Exactly. The success of the west creates a stark contrast with the failed Islamic societies.
In normal wars before the 20th century, the victor assumed the spoils, controlled the land, and dictated the governance.
Toxic envy is a common human sin. But the Koran magnifies this by declaring that non-Muslims are inferior and that Jews are particularly contemptible naturally inferior creatures. Thus, non-Muslims succeeding in commerce and scholarship and war shames Muslims. Christian and Jewish prosperity has been a recurring motive for Muslim pogroms against “infidels”.
Zafar keeps dodging this key point.
No it does not. It means the elimination of Israel.
And what about the Israelis who are the targets of the rockets routinely launched from Gaza?
Yes. Islam is the problem. The bad actors in the area (Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Qatar, Yemen) do it in the name of Islam. When will the world acknowledge this? Instead, our weaklings in DC worry about “Islamicphobia” as our idiot President calls it.
And even more shameful than being defeated in war by those “inferior” Jews: Being killed in battle by Jewish women!
You left out the Philistines, the Hittites and the Egyptians.
Peaceful engagement with Israelis instead of opting to follow overly corrupt leaders of a death cult could have elevated the entire region and make borders irrelevant to quality of life. The Palestinians consistently choose poorly. And when they danced and passed out candy to their kids on 9/11 they forfeited any and all claims on my sympathies.
Zafar is confused by the actual words said by them.
It is like reading Mein Kamph and interpreting it generously.
Can the Palestinians have what they want without taking Israelis out? That’s another question.
If all the Jews left I suppose they would be ‘satisfied’.
Not a chance. If alive, they could come back.
They would continue to murder Jews in every part of the world. Just as they would continue to teach their children to hate Jews and seek their annihilation.
If Israel’s existence depends on the occupation. Does it?
They surely blame Hamas.
Define “occupation.”
The PLO definitely can (hence Arafat signing the Oslo Accords), Hamas…claims it can, but who knows?
As for why we’re where we are 30 years after Oslo was signed:
Rabin was assassinated (a la Sadat) a year or so after signing, and then it was ‘campaigned against Oslo’ Netanyahu who was the ‘negotiating’ Israeli PM. All while his governing coalition was dependent on parties that were deeply opposed to any compromise on borders, refugees or Jerusalem.
For easy reference:
Fwiw the PA is still officially committed to recognising Israel and sorting out (1) borders, (2) refugees and (3) Jerusalem. Likud, however, is committed to NO Palestinian state.
Hence, imo, Hamas.
Amira Hass, the only Israeli journalist to have lived and reported from Gaza, lays it out.
The PLO wasn’t serious, either.
BS