Following in Dr. Mengele’s Footsteps

 

For me, the entire transgender situation has been a nightmare for this country, in particular its parents and children. I have written my share of stories about the unbelievable abuses and unethical activities that define transgenderism. But recently I watched a video produced by the Daily Wire, shared with us by @stevefast, and my outrage and disbelief reached a new high. I thought I had adjusted to dealing with the topic with some objectivity and thoughtfulness. But when I saw the video, What is a Women, something was triggered in me that I’d never experienced. After contemplating my reaction for a time, I identified the source of my reaction: what we were seeing was the same evil perpetrated by Dr. Josef Mengele and the Nazis.

Now you may say that my observation is hyperbole; after all, Dr. Mengele was a madman, and he conducted procedures and operations on unwilling victims. But when you look more closely at what he did, why he did it and the implications for us today, the results are disquieting, to say the least. These are the similarities:

Experimentation—Mengele was highly regarded in his field:

He was a highly trained doctor and medical researcher, as well as a decorated war veteran. He was respected in his field and worked for one of the leading research institutions in Germany. Much of his medical research at Auschwitz supported the work of other German scientists. He was one of dozens of biomedical researchers who conducted experiments on prisoners in Nazi concentration camps. And he was one of a number of medical professionals who selected victims to be murdered in the gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Among their peers, doctors, therapists, teachers, and social workers today are highly regarded for their gender affirmation work. The Woke environment also strongly supports the transgender movement.

Victimization—Mengele often selected children for his experiments:

The children Mengele selected for experiments lived in separate barracks from the other prisoners and received somewhat better food and treatment. Mengele was friendly toward the children. Moshe Ofer, a survivor of Mengele’s experiments, recalled in 1985 that [Mengele] visited us as a good uncle, bringing us chocolate. Before applying the scalpel or a syringe, he would say: ‘Don’t be afraid, nothing is going to happen to you.’

In our times, teachers and counselors present themselves as advocates and sources of comfort. They reassure children that they are in good hands and are making the right decision when they pursue a change in identity.

Unethical practices—Mengele pursued physical experiments that were often painful and maimed his patients, even resulting in death. Today’s transgender experiments are seriously questionable, although experimenters try to justify their procedures as life-affirming (since they supposedly prevent suicide attempts). The data on suicide attempts is incomplete, including whether their questions about gender identity are the source of their depression, and there is little data on suicide attempts after gender mutilation is completed. And patients are not informed about the long-term effects of the drugs and hormones they are taking; in many cases, procedures can’t be reversed. Some patients become sterilized or have serious physical and health problems.

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We are seeing an attempt to normalize these unethical and devastating procedures. Children and parents are deceived about the consequences; families are traumatized as parents might not be notified about their children’s choices; children are not mature enough to decide whether these life-changing procedures are appropriate for them; and finally, transgenderism rends the fabric of this country in ways that may not ever be mended. This statement says it all:

Mengele acted within the norms of German science under the Nazi regime. His crimes represent the extreme danger posed by science when it is conducted in the service of an ideology that denies the rights, dignity, and even humanity of certain groups of people.

People who support and practice transgenderism are following in Mengele’s footsteps and are a danger to society.

They are, plain and simple, evil.

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  1. Rodin Member
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    Susan Quinn: Now you may say that my observation is hyperbole; after all, Dr. Mengele was a madman, and he conducted procedures and operations on unwilling victims. But when you look more closely at what he did, why he did it and the implications for us today, the results are disquieting, to say the least.

    No hyperbole. Evil has arrived in America. (Evil is always here but has broken out and gotten real purchase.)

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  2. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: Now you may say that my observation is hyperbole; after all, Dr. Mengele was a madman, and he conducted procedures and operations on unwilling victims. But when you look more closely at what he did, why he did it and the implications for us today, the results are disquieting, to say the least.

    No hyperbole. Evil has arrived in America. (Evil is always here but has broken out and gotten real purchase.)

    Sometimes I worry that we throw the word “evil” around without giving it a lot of thought; it’s like another way of saying “bad.” I appreciated the Mengele comparison because it had a visceral quality to it and is hard to ignore.

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  3. namlliT noD Member
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    Rodin (View Comment):
    No hyperbole. Evil has arrived in America. (Evil is always here but has broken out and gotten real purchase.)

    Or enemy action.

     

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  4. cdor Member
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    Although Susan didn’t end her strong post with the following clarification, she made it certain throughout the body of the post that her objection was concerning children being mutilated, either by drugs or surgery or both. I assume, Susan, that, when it comes to adults, they can do what they wish. Am I correct?

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  5. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    cdor (View Comment):

    Although Susan didn’t end her strong post with the following clarification, she made it certain throughout the body of the post that her objection was concerning children being mutilated, either by drugs or surgery or both. I assume, Susan, that, when it comes to adults, they can do what they wish. Am I correct?

    Adults, even when it is immoral and ugly, can do what they wish. It turns out that transgender adults in Florida are upset because as clinics realize they can’t serve children, some of them are choosing not to serve adults (particularly with hormone therapy). The Sentinel has an article and I haven’t fully read it yet. I’ll try to post the link.

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  6. Rodin Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Although Susan didn’t end her strong post with the following clarification, she made it certain throughout the body of the post that her objection was concerning children being mutilated, either by drugs or surgery or both. I assume, Susan, that, when it comes to adults, they can do what they wish. Am I correct?

    Adults, even when it is immoral and ugly, can do what they wish. It turns out that transgender adults in Florida are upset because as clinics realize they can’t serve children, some of them are choosing not to serve adults (particularly with hormone therapy). The Sentinel has an article and I haven’t fully read it yet. I’ll try to post the link.

    Why would that be? Why if you can’t mutilate or castrate children, will you not provide surgical “transition” or hormone therapy to adults? Is this a case of “I’ll take my ball and go home”? This seems incomprehensible to me.

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  7. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
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    By all means call it evil, and don’t feel reluctant to do so. It goes beyond unpleasantness and ugliness. Refusing to admit evil is one of the worst parts of moral relativism.

    Regarding human beings as mere experimental subjects is evil. Whatever we are, we are not science projects. 

    I think you have an excellent point with this post. I hope it helps to stir up justifiable outrage so this horror, and others like it, can end before too many more are hurt in the process. 

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  8. Unsk Member
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    From the perspective of a person who has the expectations that our government has the pubic’s interests at heart, this child transgender crisis would seem inexplicable. For many who are not paying great attention to the politics of our era, their first reaction may be to believe that  these transgender manipulations and mutilations  couldn’t possibly be true.  Our government wouldn’t allow such things in their minds. But not only has our government allowed such atrocities, it has actually encouraged them to the point of preventing Parents from preventing them. 

    As Rodin has pointed out- Evil has really arrived in America. These transgender mutilations  and the encouragement of the kidnap-sex trade are all part and parcel of a greater effort to destroy American civil society. 

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  9. Percival Thatcher
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    as clinics realize they can’t serve children, some of them are choosing not to serve adults (particularly with hormone therapy).

    That makes no sense.

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  10. Raxxalan Member
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Although Susan didn’t end her strong post with the following clarification, she made it certain throughout the body of the post that her objection was concerning children being mutilated, either by drugs or surgery or both. I assume, Susan, that, when it comes to adults, they can do what they wish. Am I correct?

    Adults, even when it is immoral and ugly, can do what they wish. It turns out that transgender adults in Florida are upset because as clinics realize they can’t serve children, some of them are choosing not to serve adults (particularly with hormone therapy). The Sentinel has an article and I haven’t fully read it yet. I’ll try to post the link.

    Why would that be? Why if you can’t mutilate or castrate children, will you not provide surgical “transition” or hormone therapy to adults? Is this a case of “I’ll take my ball and go home”? This seems incomprehensible to me.

    I suspect it isn’t lucrative enough.   Transing the kids is big business.

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  11. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Here’s a quote from the Orlando Sentinel article:

    The new law that bans gender-affirming care for minors also mandates that adult patients seeking trans health care sign an informed consent form. It also requires a physician to oversee any health care related to transitioning, and for people to see that doctor in person. Those rules have proven particularly onerous because many people received care from nurse practitioners and used telehealth.

    Lucas, 26, lost his access to treatment when the Orlando clinic that prescribed him hormone replacement therapy stopped providing gender-affirming care altogether. The couple also worry about staying in a state that this year enacted several other bills targeting the LGBTQ+ community.

    “My entire life is here. All my friends, my family. I just got a promotion at my job, which I’m probably not to be able to keep,” said Lucas, who works in a financial aid office at a college. “I’m losing everything except Eli and my pets moving out of here. So this was not a decision that I took lightly at all.”

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  12. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    The Sentinel is behind a paywall, but another FL newspaper has the same article:

    https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/florida-transgender-adults-blindsided-that-new-law-limits-access-to-health-care/3046981/

     

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  13. Vance Richards Inactive
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    Rodin (View Comment):
    Why would that be? Why if you can’t mutilate or castrate children, will you not provide surgical “transition” or hormone therapy to adults? Is this a case of “I’ll take my ball and go home”? This seems incomprehensible to me.

    Because children are where the money was being made. The number of people willing to medically transition has always been miniscule. It is only the latest crop of kids who are encouraged and told it is cool. Without the youth, it is not a profitable business model.

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  14. Old Bathos Member
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    Mengele still had some notion of humanity.  It is just that he excluded many if not most people from membership. 

    The new leftists are attacking anything that is natural and intrinsic and trying to make a new reality composed of whatever collection of racial, sexual, whatever categories they choose to invent.  There is no human nature or any moral content that might naturally accrue from it.  Humanity is just substrate for whatever delusions the power chooses to impose.  Personhood is gone.  There is only an ever-shifting group identity.

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  15. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):
    Why would that be? Why if you can’t mutilate or castrate children, will you not provide surgical “transition” or hormone therapy to adults? Is this a case of “I’ll take my ball and go home”? This seems incomprehensible to me.

    Because children are where the money was being made. The number of people willing to medically transition has always been miniscule. It is only the latest crop of kids who are encouraged and told it is cool. Without the youth, it is not a profitable business model.

    To clarify, the law allegedly restricts telehealth treatments and Nurse Practitioners and requires in-person consultations with a Doctor.    Reading between the lines, the Orlando clinic was likely staffed by Nurse Practitioners, who offered telehealth services.  So, likely, this in not an “I’m gonna take my ball and go home because I’m banned from treating minors” issue. 

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  16. Raxxalan Member
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    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):
    Why would that be? Why if you can’t mutilate or castrate children, will you not provide surgical “transition” or hormone therapy to adults? Is this a case of “I’ll take my ball and go home”? This seems incomprehensible to me.

    Because children are where the money was being made. The number of people willing to medically transition has always been miniscule. It is only the latest crop of kids who are encouraged and told it is cool. Without the youth, it is not a profitable business model.

    To clarify, the law allegedly restricts telehealth treatments and Nurse Practitioners and requires in-person consultations with a Doctor. Reading between the lines, the Orlando clinic was likely staffed by Nurse Practitioners, who offered telehealth services. So, likely, this in not an “I’m gonna take my ball and go home because I’m banned from treating minors” issue.

    It seems strange that a law requiring complicated medical procedures be overseen by a doctor in person rather than via telehealth visits is controversial.  It seems like the whole country has lost it [coc redacted] mind.

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  17. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Nohaaj (View Comment):
    To clarify, the law allegedly restricts telehealth treatments and Nurse Practitioners and requires in-person consultations with a Doctor.    Reading between the lines, the Orlando clinic was likely staffed by Nurse Practitioners, who offered telehealth services.  So, likely, this in not an “I’m gonna take my ball and go home because I’m banned from treating minors” issue. 

    That was also my impression, too. In fact, who knows if they were even Nurse Practitioners.

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  18. Max Knots Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    as clinics realize they can’t serve children, some of them are choosing not to serve adults (particularly with hormone therapy).

    That makes no sense.

    I’m not a lawyer but suspect that this may be a “potential liability” issue. For the doctors. If it becomes accepted (as it should) that these procedures on both minors and adults not only do no good, but actually cause permanent damage, it will become a bonanza for lawsuits.
    Here’s an article on the first real and in my opinion legitimate study (from Sweden) showing that these surgeries do not prevent suicides as has been claimed. In fact, these mutilated and confused folks are 19 times more likely to attempt suicide. Not surprising since they become life-long patients with many horrible medical issues! 
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/06/sex-change-operations-do-no-good.php

    Final comment: As my earlier comment notes in a prior thread, we should not promote or encourage adults to make these  damaging decisions either. It doesn’t just affect them.  Unless the entire human race is wiped out by an extinction level event, our lives affect countless others – potentially. 

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  19. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Max Knots (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    as clinics realize they can’t serve children, some of them are choosing not to serve adults (particularly with hormone therapy).

    That makes no sense.

    I’m not a lawyer but suspect that this may be a “potential liability” issue. For the doctors. If it becomes accepted (as it should) that these procedures on both minors and adults not only do no good, but actually cause permanent damage, it will become a bonanza for lawsuits.
    Here’s an article on the first real and in my opinion legitimate study (from Sweden) showing that these surgeries do not prevent suicides as has been claimed. In fact, these mutilated and confused folks are 19 times more likely to attempt suicide. Not surprising since they become life-long patients with many horrible medical issues!
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/06/sex-change-operations-do-no-good.php

    Final comment: As my earlier comment notes in a prior thread, we should not promote or encourage adults to make these damaging decisions either. It doesn’t just affect them. Unless the entire human race is wiped out by an extinction level event, our lives affect countless others – potentially.

    Thanks for the Powerline link, Max. I had heard about the Swedish study–I hope people note that it is one of the few legitimate studies out there, and it is hardly a new one.

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  20. MarciN Member
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Although Susan didn’t end her strong post with the following clarification, she made it certain throughout the body of the post that her objection was concerning children being mutilated, either by drugs or surgery or both. I assume, Susan, that, when it comes to adults, they can do what they wish. Am I correct?

    Adults, even when it is immoral and ugly, can do what they wish. It turns out that transgender adults in Florida are upset because as clinics realize they can’t serve children, some of them are choosing not to serve adults (particularly with hormone therapy). The Sentinel has an article and I haven’t fully read it yet. I’ll try to post the link.

    Why would that be? Why if you can’t mutilate or castrate children, will you not provide surgical “transition” or hormone therapy to adults? Is this a case of “I’ll take my ball and go home”? This seems incomprehensible to me.

    I suspect it isn’t lucrative enough. Transing the kids is big business.

    That’s my guess. 

    Treating mentally ill people has always been primarily a financial problem because most severely mentally ill people, those most in need of care, are unemployed. Adults who wish to “transition” probably don’t have the money to do that because their lives are pretty much messed up to begin with. Adults are looking to the gender dysphoria theories to explain their mental health issues. Money, by the way, is why transitioning is a prison issue, for example. Prisons have healthcare money. 

     

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  21. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    cdor (View Comment):

    Although Susan didn’t end her strong post with the following clarification, she made it certain throughout the body of the post that her objection was concerning children being mutilated, either by drugs or surgery or both. I assume, Susan, that, when it comes to adults, they can do what they wish. Am I correct?

    If an adult wants a healthy limb, eye, etc., removed because s/he “feels” s/he is a disabled person trapped in an intact body, should doctors be allowed to perform this mutilation?

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  22. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):
    If an adult wants a healthy limb, eye, etc., removed because s/he “feels” s/he is a disabled person trapped in an intact body, should doctors be allowed to perform this mutilation?

    This situation drives me nuts! People actually do this! I would say they should not be allowed, but I don’t get to decide. This is so very sad and disturbed.

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  23. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):
    If an adult wants a healthy limb, eye, etc., removed because s/he “feels” s/he is a disabled person trapped in an intact body, should doctors be allowed to perform this mutilation?

    This situation drives me nuts! People actually do this! I would say they should not be allowed, but I don’t get to decide. This is so very sad and disturbed.

    These people (and I include “Trans” people in this) are obviously suffering from severe mental problems. We should be trying to treat those problems, rather than enabling them.

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  24. Stad Coolidge
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    Oh wow.  The connection between Mengele and doctors whom perform “gender-affirming surgery” is . . . well, there’s almost no difference . . .

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  25. namlliT noD Member
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    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):
    If an adult wants a healthy limb, eye, etc., removed because s/he “feels” s/he is a disabled person trapped in an intact body, should doctors be allowed to perform this mutilation?

    Not my field of expertise, but I would guess that it would be somewhat covered under the Hippocratic Oath.

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  26. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):
    Not my field of expertise, but I would guess that it would be somewhat covered under the Hippocratic Oath.

    But you would think that gender mutilation would be covered, too, wouldn’t you?

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  27. namlliT noD Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):
    Not my field of expertise, but I would guess that it would be somewhat covered under the Hippocratic Oath.

    But you would think that gender mutilation would be covered, too, wouldn’t you?

    I would… but like I said, ‘not my field.   

    Perhaps the Hippocratic Oath has eroded into a quaint formality.   I’d sure be interested in hearing from someone with some industry expertise.

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  28. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):
    Not my field of expertise, but I would guess that it would be somewhat covered under the Hippocratic Oath.

    But you would think that gender mutilation would be covered, too, wouldn’t you?

    I would… but like I said, ‘not my field.

    Perhaps the Hippocratic Oath has eroded into a quaint formality. I’d sure be interested in hearing from someone with some industry expertise.

    This is a Hippocratic-type oath written by Columbia School of Medicine students:

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  29. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    You are spot on.  I just finished Edwin Black’s The War Against the Weak about the American Eugenics movement and had reached the same conclusion that you did.  The parallels are striking, including the need to invoke the “science” to justify the cruelty and insanity that resulted in the forced sterilization of over 60,000 Americans.  Who was signing those orders?  Doctors, supported by all the usual bastions of progressivism:  academia, government, foundations.    And, of course, the star pupils of American Eugenics were the Nazis.  The descriptions of Mengele’s studies on twins made me gasp out loud while reading on the airplane, they were so horrible.  And who was egging him on?  The medical profession.  

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  30. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Gossamer Cat (View Comment):

    You are spot on. I just finished Edwin Black’s The War Against the Weak about the American Eugenics movement and had reached the same conclusion that you did. The parallels are striking, including the need to invoke the “science” to justify the cruelty and insanity that resulted in the forced sterilization of over 60,000 Americans. Who was signing those orders? Doctors, supported by all the usual bastions of progressivism: academia, government, foundations. And, of course, the star pupils of American Eugenics were the Nazis. The descriptions of Mengele’s studies on twins made me gasp out loud while reading on the airplane, they were so horrible. And who was egging him on? The medical profession.

    Do you think I should read Black’s book, GC? These books are so hard to get through, as you said.

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