The Consequences of Lying to Girls

 

My son attends a prep school. It is liberal, but not quite as liberal as the two neighboring girls’ schools.  There is a rivalry between the schools, only slightly complicated by the fact that the girls’ schools have some students who think they are boys.

The girls at one school, which happens to play dodgeball competitively within the school, decided to organize a tri-school contest. Challenging the boys. They were certain they were going to win. They marched out with great pomp and splendor. Teams were set at 20 girls to 16 boys.

Of course, they were destroyed.  From the very beginning, when the lines rushed for balls, the girls decided not to sprint full tilt at the 220+ pound ogres who were coming right at them. Even my son, who is not only white but Jewish, and thus embarrassingly awful at ball games, went 2-0.

Which leaves us with a question: do girls really believe the nonsense in the movies and shows, where toothpick-sized girls routinely knock out 250-pound men? It seems that they do.

I find it amazing that upper-crust, highly educated 18-year-old girls can ignore all data to the contrary, and believe that they are going to win a game of dodgeball against 18-year-old boys.  I hope the result was educational.

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  1. BDB Inactive
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Matt Bartle (View Comment):

    Is it wrong that I’d like to see a video of this?

    No, it’s not wrong. There’s nothing in the Bible about dodgeball. :)

    If you find one, please send it to me.

    Under-rated comment.  

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    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

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    iWe:

    Even my son, who is not only white but Jewish, and thus embarrassingly awful at ball games, went 2-0.

    The shades of Sid Luckman and Sandy Koufax are giving you such a look, iWe.

    I didn’t know that was a thing either. We didn’t have a lot of Jews in OK when I was growing up, but I do remember asking my dad if Jim Thorpe was such a great athlete, why weren’t there more Indians in pro sports.

    Ouch.  ( And how! )

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    Manny (View Comment):
    I’m not 100% sure but I think they really do believe it. Crazy. I’m all for women trying to excel at endeavors but physical realities need to be instilled. 

    People don’t seem to understand that sports are designed as a test of extreme maleness.  Knowing this, why would anyone think that males do not have an advantage?

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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    I’m not 100% sure but I think they really do believe it. Crazy. I’m all for women trying to excel at endeavors but physical realities need to be instilled.

    People don’t seem to understand that sports are designed as a test of extreme maleness. Knowing this, why would anyone think that males do not have an advantage?

    If there’s a men’s Italian pole-vault, I don’t want to know.

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    iWe (View Comment):

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    Percival (View Comment):

    iWe:

    Even my son, who is not only white but Jewish, and thus embarrassingly awful at ball games, went 2-0.

     

    The shades of Sid Luckman and Sandy Koufax are giving you such a look, iWe.

    And Hank Greenberg.

    Meh. We Jews have a contribution to make to this world. Playing sports is not it.

    What makes me nuts is that my two youngest boys are sports-crazy. They play baseball and football every free moment they get, and one is convinced that he is going to make it to the NFL. I haven’t the foggiest idea where he got his pigheaded ambition and refusal to submit to the wise guidance of experts.

    Meh on your meh. Sometimes the contribution can be sports related. See Moe Berg.

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  6. She Member
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    Great post.  In a broader sense, I think the conversation may need to be about the consequences of lying to children,  because I believe the malfeasance goes both ways. 

    EODmom (View Comment):

    I think 2 generations (post internet and pervasive ness of computer games and CGI ) of young people have lived in a substantially not-real “zone” in which they have not suffered much in the way of discomfort (they are rarely in situations where they can be hurt, hurt) or inconvenienced. As a result, they and now their children have a truly distorted view of what’s real. So – yes, they think the Viking women fought along side their hunky men with 50lb broad swords for hours and days. And that they are fast and lithe and strong and healthy while having no real muscles at all. And that no one has to work hard to become and stay fast and strong.

    Absolutely correct.  Considering the facts that:

    1. It’s possible for most girls/women to get through life without suffering because of, or even noticing, the fact that their physical constitution  is weaker than that of most men,
    2. A majority of adults seem to have decided that their children of both sexes must be wrapped in cotton-wool and denied any opportunity to test or try themselves in a situation that might result in any sort of risk or even minor physical harm, lest it lead to a confrontation with reality (some people are stronger than others!) and a spark of independence (but I can do/overcome this!)
    3. That children are incessantly encouraged by those in authority positions in their lives (such as teachers), and those to whom (Lord knows why) children look up, such as entertainment and lifestyle icons, to believe things on all sides and on all levels that are not true, or which simply fly in the face of reality, science, and common-sense

    it’s hardly surprising that today’s children grow up in a distorted and mixed-up world with no fixed points, a world in which they can reinvent themselves, often in the unhealthiest ways, every single day. 

    Now a note from the dog world of competition: our 2 1/2 yr old boy simply creams our 1 yr old girl on the flat. No contest. In the forest tho, he can’t keep up with her twists and turns and leaps over the obstacles. She has the wile and the drive to sneak attack and pushes him ahead to get to where she can ambush him. The almost daily run goes around a couple of fields through the woods and she leads him on to her zone.

    Again, spot on. Humans used to recognize that men and women each have qualities that make them special, and which–when combined in a healthy relationship, complement each other and form a whole.

    The high school girls have forgotten or not learned any wiles of their own.

    Unfortunately, and cruelly, they’ve been taught to believe that their femininity has no value, and that to succeed in life they must enter into, play, and win, on the boys’ playing field.  Conversely, when masculine traits and activities in boys are deprecated and discouraged, and young men are encouraged to get in touch with their “feminine side” to an unhealthy degree, they are just as damaged.  

    A good reminder of how life should be lived from the Vizslas.  (Beautiful dogs.)

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  8. J Ro Member
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    Obviously girls and boys, also men and women are different.

    Why just the other day I heard on the BBC that a new study from the European Space Agency found that women are better suited to a long, “grueling” mission to Mars, so an all female crew would be best. A (female) reporter checked on this by interviewing a retired (female) NASA astronaut who explained that because women are smaller than men, in space “women are using less (sic) resources and produce less waste.”

    Well, that settles it! Mars Needs Women!

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    J Ro (View Comment):

    Obviously girls and boys, also men and women are different.

    Why just the other day I heard on the BBC that a new study from the European Space Agency found that women are better suited to a long, “grueling” mission to Mars, so an all female crew would be best. A (female) reporter checked on this by interviewing a retired (female) NASA astronaut who explained that because women are smaller than men, in space “women are using less (sic) resources and produce less waste.”

    Well, that settles it! Mars Needs Women!

    When Walter Cronkite covered the first moon landing for CBS, he had science fiction writers Arthur C. Clarke and Robert Heinlein as guest commentators.

    Heinlein left Cronkite speechless (and Clarke laughing), when he suggested that we should have sent four small women, instead of three large men!

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    BDB (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    I’m not 100% sure but I think they really do believe it. Crazy. I’m all for women trying to excel at endeavors but physical realities need to be instilled.

    People don’t seem to understand that sports are designed as a test of extreme maleness. Knowing this, why would anyone think that males do not have an advantage?

    If there’s a men’s Italian pole-vault, I don’t want to know.

    Sports started out as training for warriors; i.e., guys.

    On the other hand, in ancient Greece, young girls under 15 engaged in running competitions with other girls.

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    Taras (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    I’m not 100% sure but I think they really do believe it. Crazy. I’m all for women trying to excel at endeavors but physical realities need to be instilled.

    People don’t seem to understand that sports are designed as a test of extreme maleness. Knowing this, why would anyone think that males do not have an advantage?

    If there’s a men’s Italian pole-vault, I don’t want to know.

    Sports started out as training for warriors; i.e., guys.

    On the other hand, in ancient Greece, young girls under 15 engaged in running competitions with other girls.

    Trying to get away from the men?

     

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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    I’m not 100% sure but I think they really do believe it. Crazy. I’m all for women trying to excel at endeavors but physical realities need to be instilled.

    People don’t seem to understand that sports are designed as a test of extreme maleness. Knowing this, why would anyone think that males do not have an advantage?

    If there’s a men’s Italian pole-vault, I don’t want to know.

    Sports started out as training for warriors; i.e., guys.

    On the other hand, in ancient Greece, young girls under 15 engaged in running competitions with other girls.

    Trying to get away from the men?

    That was the boys.

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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    I’m not 100% sure but I think they really do believe it. Crazy. I’m all for women trying to excel at endeavors but physical realities need to be instilled.

    People don’t seem to understand that sports are designed as a test of extreme maleness. Knowing this, why would anyone think that males do not have an advantage?

    If there’s a men’s Italian pole-vault, I don’t want to know.

    Sports started out as training for warriors; i.e., guys.

    On the other hand, in ancient Greece, young girls under 15 engaged in running competitions with other girls.

    Trying to get away from the men?

    Probably the opposite, come to think of it.   Showing off her health and vigor would make a girl a more desirable potential wife, in the “produce lots of healthy sons” sense.

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    Matt Bartle (View Comment):

    Is it wrong that I’d like to see a video of this?

    It would go viral on social media. 

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    Matt Bartle (View Comment):

    Is it wrong that I’d like to see a video of this?

    I’d love to see how the transgender students at the girls’ schools did? 

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    Taras (View Comment):

    J Ro (View Comment):

    Obviously girls and boys, also men and women are different.

    Why just the other day I heard on the BBC that a new study from the European Space Agency found that women are better suited to a long, “grueling” mission to Mars, so an all female crew would be best. A (female) reporter checked on this by interviewing a retired (female) NASA astronaut who explained that because women are smaller than men, in space “women are using less (sic) resources and produce less waste.”

    Well, that settles it! Mars Needs Women!

    When Walter Cronkite covered the first moon landing for CBS, he had science fiction writers Arthur C. Clarke and Robert Heinlein as guest commentators.

    Heinlein left Cronkite speechless (and Clarke laughing), when he suggested that we should have sent four small women, instead of three large men!

    I vaguely recall that when I was in late elementary school living near Cape Canaveral during the peak of the Gemini and Apollo missions, NASA considered for the astronaut corps middle aged mothers of multiple children, for their ability to handle stress,  and their ability to multi-task. 

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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    J Ro (View Comment):

    Obviously girls and boys, also men and women are different.

    Why just the other day I heard on the BBC that a new study from the European Space Agency found that women are better suited to a long, “grueling” mission to Mars, so an all female crew would be best. A (female) reporter checked on this by interviewing a retired (female) NASA astronaut who explained that because women are smaller than men, in space “women are using less (sic) resources and produce less waste.”

    Well, that settles it! Mars Needs Women!

    When Walter Cronkite covered the first moon landing for CBS, he had science fiction writers Arthur C. Clarke and Robert Heinlein as guest commentators.

    Heinlein left Cronkite speechless (and Clarke laughing), when he suggested that we should have sent four small women, instead of three large men!

    I vaguely recall that when I was in late elementary school living near Cape Canaveral during the peak of the Gemini and Apollo missions, NASA considered for the astronaut corps middle aged mothers of multiple children, for their ability to handle stress, and their ability to multi-task.

    But middle-aged mothers of multiple children, probably aren’t so small any more…

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    J Ro (View Comment):

    Obviously girls and boys, also men and women are different.

    Why just the other day I heard on the BBC that a new study from the European Space Agency found that women are better suited to a long, “grueling” mission to Mars, so an all female crew would be best. A (female) reporter checked on this by interviewing a retired (female) NASA astronaut who explained that because women are smaller than men, in space “women are using less (sic) resources and produce less waste.”

    Well, that settles it! Mars Needs Women!

    Begin training a male crew for the voyage to Venus. [BTW. I refuse to entertain the thought that a gay crew should be selected for the exploration of Uranus.] 

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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    J Ro (View Comment):

    Obviously girls and boys, also men and women are different.

    Why just the other day I heard on the BBC that a new study from the European Space Agency found that women are better suited to a long, “grueling” mission to Mars, so an all female crew would be best. A (female) reporter checked on this by interviewing a retired (female) NASA astronaut who explained that because women are smaller than men, in space “women are using less (sic) resources and produce less waste.”

    Well, that settles it! Mars Needs Women!

    Begin training a male crew for the voyage to Venus. [BTW. I refuse to entertain the thought that a gay crew should be selected for the exploration of Uranus.]

     

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    On the other hand, trips such as to Mars or Venus would likely take months.  Would months-long missions in zero-gravity require post-menopausal women?

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    J Ro (View Comment):

    Obviously girls and boys, also men and women are different.

    Why just the other day I heard on the BBC that a new study from the European Space Agency found that women are better suited to a long, “grueling” mission to Mars, so an all female crew would be best. A (female) reporter checked on this by interviewing a retired (female) NASA astronaut who explained that because women are smaller than men, in space “women are using less (sic) resources and produce less waste.”

    Well, that settles it! Mars Needs Women!

    Would tiny men do a better job? Also, wouldn’t all the women start to fight with each other two weeks in?

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    kedavis (View Comment):

     

    But middle-aged mothers of multiple children, probably aren’t so small any more…

    Mrs iwe is. 

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    iWe (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

     

    But middle-aged mothers of multiple children, probably aren’t so small any more…

    Mrs iwe is.

    Mrs iWe is awesome!

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    Keep in mind that everyone we send to Mars will probably die.

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    Barfly (View Comment):

    Keep in mind that everyone we send to Mars will probably die.

    Everyone we DON’T send to Mars, dies.

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    J Ro (View Comment):

    Obviously girls and boys, also men and women are different.

    Why just the other day I heard on the BBC that a new study from the European Space Agency found that women are better suited to a long, “grueling” mission to Mars, so an all female crew would be best. A (female) reporter checked on this by interviewing a retired (female) NASA astronaut who explained that because women are smaller than men, in space “women are using less (sic) resources and produce less waste.”

    Well, that settles it! Mars Needs Women!

    Do I have to do everything around here?

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    Oh, and:

     

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    BDB (View Comment):

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    iWe:

    Even my son, who is not only white but Jewish, and thus embarrassingly awful at ball games, went 2-0.

    The shades of Sid Luckman and Sandy Koufax are giving you such a look, iWe.

    I didn’t know that was a thing either. We didn’t have a lot of Jews in OK when I was growing up, but I do remember asking my dad if Jim Thorpe was such a great athlete, why weren’t there more Indians in pro sports.

    Ouch. ( And how! )

    And Pow Wow Chow. 😉

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  30. colleenb Member
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    When my son was starting 8th grade the class had a session at a park with zip lining, etc. The school sent a letter home warning the kids that they would be outdoors all day. For my son the Boy Scout (back when the Boy Scouts were still the Boy Scouts), no problem. I realized for many kids that it was a new experience. 

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