Rumors and Ruminations: Trump’s Arrest

 

So there’s this big rumor going around: Trump gonna be arrested. I don’t know the specifics and I do not care.

This nakedly political oppression under the color of law is just another step in a long series of abuses and usurpations. We see it every day, especially on days close to an election, but really, it’s everywhere, every day.

I don’t know what will happen. Maybe these headlines get packed away in a box to be deployed at a later date. Maybe there’s just some paper moved. I can’t imagine a perp-walk.  And anyway, I don’t know what I’ll do. Probably nothing. Maybe something.

Say what you will about Trump and how much you don’t like him, and the charges are valid, and there’s this tape you see… whatever. Democrats do not get so much as threatened with anything, whereas Republicans get impeached, investigated, and prosecuted. I do not care about the specifics. It’s the pattern which matters, and which is undeniable.

I don’t expect to convince anybody of anything — I’m hardly convinced myself — and I certainly won’t begrudge the RTs and the NTs their reluctance to get worked up over this on the particulars. The pattern, however, is probably where we will find more common ground on the right.

Today, the knob on an awful machine is set for Trump. Do they dare fire it?

Wars have started for reasons less directly, less visibly, less obviously a casus belli. We may be in the early throes of the collapse of what has been called “the everything bubble” for the last decade. Bad time to strike a match.

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  1. Hang On Member
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    If he is arrested, take all of your money out of the bank in cash. Talk about a bank run. It will terrify the deep state. 

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  2. Bishop Wash Member
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    BDB: Wars have started for reasons less directly, less visibly, less obviously a casus belli.  We may be in the early throes of the collapse of what has been called “the everything bubble” for the last decade.  Bad time to strike a match.

    I sometimes think of how things have changed and is it really for the better? Reading Roman history, enemies would be killed and rivals wouldn’t be left around to threaten your power later. Are things really any better by letting Trump live but be persecuted for years by the Praetorian Guard? Death by a thousand cuts. It seems a bit unsporting. Not as direct and clear-cut. 

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  3. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    BDB: So there’s this big rumor going around.  Trump gonna be arrested.  I don’t know the specifics and I do not care.

    Is just the Dems and Trump trying to manipulate the primary?    The Dems prefer Trump as the primary winner as he is easily manipulated.

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  4. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    It amazes me how many conservatives refuse to acknowledge the politicalization of the courts. This was a problem with Tom Delay.

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  5. BDB Inactive
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    BDB: So there’s this big rumor going around. Trump gonna be arrested. I don’t know the specifics and I do not care.

    Is just the Dems and Trump trying to manipulate the primary? The Dems prefer Trump as the primary winner as he is easily manipulated.

    There’s an infinite regression of “Clearly I cannot choose the drink before me!” if you want it.

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  6. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    BDB: So there’s this big rumor going around. Trump gonna be arrested. I don’t know the specifics and I do not care.

    Is just the Dems and Trump trying to manipulate the primary? The Dems prefer Trump as the primary winner as he is easily manipulated.

    There’s an infinite regression of “Clearly I cannot choose the drink before me!” if you want it.

    I refer to this kind of analysis as the “Iocaine Powder Dilemma.”

     

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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    On the other hand, how many times have we heard that “The Walls are Closing In™”? 

     

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/463/Screen_Shot_2018-10-24_at_11.08.29_AM.jpg

    But, the DOJ is worse than ever these days. And they don’t care how obvious they are about it.

    What they might not appreciate, being cloistered within the beltway where everyone thinks alike, is how arresting Trump (say, in an early-morning raid with CNN tipped off in advance so they can get their cameras there) would  irrevocably split the nation.

     

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  8. BDB Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    BDB: So there’s this big rumor going around. Trump gonna be arrested. I don’t know the specifics and I do not care.

    Is just the Dems and Trump trying to manipulate the primary? The Dems prefer Trump as the primary winner as he is easily manipulated.

    There’s an infinite regression of “Clearly I cannot choose the drink before me!” if you want it.

    I refer to this kind of analysis as the “Iocaine Powder Dilemma.”

     

    Panlemma.

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  9. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    What the Dems don’t realize is that if they take this step (and they deny they will), it will only draw more people to Trump! Just another way to shoot themselves in the foot.

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  10. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    What the Dems don’t realize is that if they take this step (and they deny they will), it will only draw more people to Trump! Just another way to shoot themselves in the foot.

    Do you think the Dems fear Trump more than DeSantis?  

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  11. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    What the Dems don’t realize is that if they take this step (and they deny they will), it will only draw more people to Trump! Just another way to shoot themselves in the foot.

    Do you think the Dems fear Trump more than DeSantis?

    That’s a very good question. I think it’s too early to tell.

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  12. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    What the Dems don’t realize is that if they take this step (and they deny they will), it will only draw more people to Trump! Just another way to shoot themselves in the foot.

    Do you think the Dems fear Trump more than DeSantis?

    I think they fear DeSantis more. But what they really need to fear is waking up the sleeping giant of the citizenry who they have already been poking at for the last 16 years.

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  13. Hang On Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    On the other hand, how many times have we heard that “The Walls are Closing In™”?

     

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/463/Screen_Shot_2018-10-24_at_11.08.29_AM.jpg

    But, the DOJ is worse than ever these days. And they don’t care how obvious they are about it.

    What they might not appreciate, being cloistered within the beltway where everyone thinks alike, is how arresting Trump (say, in an early-morning raid with CNN tipped off in advance so they can get their cameras there) would irrevocably split the nation.

     

    This is a local DA, not DoJ. It doesn’t alter DoJ is horrible, but the problem is worse.

    DeSantis has said that prosecuting Fauci in Florida is a possibility. Let’s see if he’s for real. The Disney stuff was less than advertised. 

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  14. Ekosj Member
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    I guess I’ll be a bit surprised if Trump is arrested soon.   It’s not nearly close enough to the election.   Unless They think they can get a trial scheduled in Sept/Oct 2024.

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    I guess I’ll be a bit surprised if Trump is arrested soon. It’s not nearly close enough to the election. Unless They think they can get a trial scheduled in Sept/Oct 2024.

    It does seem like the kind of thing they’d hold onto as an “October Surprise.”

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  16. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    I guess I’ll be a bit surprised if Trump is arrested soon. It’s not nearly close enough to the election. Unless They think they can get a trial scheduled in Sept/Oct 2024.

    These people are sick – 

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  17. HeavyWater Inactive
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    Isn’t this case the one about the hush money for the porn star?  

    It would seem more appropriate to go after the porn star who was blackmailing Trump.  

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Isn’t this case the one about the hush money for the porn star?

    It would seem more appropriate to go after the porn star who was blackmailing Trump.

    Blackmail is a crime, yes, but so is using illegal means to pay off the blackmailer.  That’s what they claim Trump did.

    To use a simple example, blackmail is bad.  If you rob a bank to pay the blackmailer, that might be considered worse.

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  19. HeavyWater Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Isn’t this case the one about the hush money for the porn star?

    It would seem more appropriate to go after the porn star who was blackmailing Trump.

    Blackmail is a crime, yes, but so is using illegal means to pay off the blackmailer. That’s what they claim Trump did.

    To use a simple example, blackmail is bad. If you rob a bank to pay the blackmailer, that might be considered worse.

    Let’s just hope that Judge Judy is the one handling this case.  

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Isn’t this case the one about the hush money for the porn star?

    It would seem more appropriate to go after the porn star who was blackmailing Trump.

    Blackmail is a crime, yes, but so is using illegal means to pay off the blackmailer. That’s what they claim Trump did.

    To use a simple example, blackmail is bad. If you rob a bank to pay the blackmailer, that might be considered worse.

    Let’s just hope that Judge Judy is the one handling this case.

    I’ve not been impressed by Judge Judy.  For a long time I’ve thought it would be great – although it wouldn’t ever be shown on TV – if someone in her “court” argued they couldn’t swear to tell “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth” because if they tried and then Judge Judy had some smart-ass crack about having heard enough, they would have violated that oath but not by choice.

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  21. Manny Coolidge
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    This is third world, banana republic type of thing. The country has really fallen. And I say the country because there are enough Democrats who support this. What is their end goal?  I guess it draws plenty of donations. I don’t see any other reason. 

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  22. HeavyWater Inactive
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    Manny (View Comment):

    This is third world, banana republic type of thing. The country has really fallen. And I say the country because there are enough Democrats who support this. What is their end goal? I guess it draws plenty of donations. I don’t see any other reason.

    Let’s just hope that in the future Trump is a bit more discriminating as to which porn stars he sleeps with.  

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    Manny (View Comment):

    This is third world, banana republic type of thing. The country has really fallen. And I say the country because there are enough Democrats who support this. What is their end goal? I guess it draws plenty of donations. I don’t see any other reason.

    I have some mixed feelings, but shouldn’t office-holders even elected ones, be expected to follow the law, perhaps especially about things like classified documents?  And what’s the excuse for letting them get away with it if they don’t follow the law?

    Maybe if these things were actually taken seriously and enforced, people like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden wouldn’t flout the law so easily.

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  24. kedavis Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    This is third world, banana republic type of thing. The country has really fallen. And I say the country because there are enough Democrats who support this. What is their end goal? I guess it draws plenty of donations. I don’t see any other reason.

    Let’s just hope that in the future Trump is a bit more discriminating as to which porn stars he sleeps with.

    Are you arguing that all non-disclosure agreements should be illegal?  Or only the ones involving sex, or politicians, or something?  If it’s only about politicians, how is that affected by Trump not being a politician when Stormy Daniels “happened?”

    Meanwhile, it sure sounds like any criminal liability starts and stops with lawyer Michael Cohen.

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  25. WI Con Member
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    Hang On (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    On the other hand, how many times have we heard that “The Walls are Closing In™”?

     

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/463/Screen_Shot_2018-10-24_at_11.08.29_AM.jpg

    But, the DOJ is worse than ever these days. And they don’t care how obvious they are about it.

    What they might not appreciate, being cloistered within the beltway where everyone thinks alike, is how arresting Trump (say, in an early-morning raid with CNN tipped off in advance so they can get their cameras there) would irrevocably split the nation.

     

    This is a local DA, not DoJ. It doesn’t alter DoJ is horrible, but the problem is worse.

    DeSantis has said that prosecuting Fauci in Florida is a possibility. Let’s see if he’s for real. The Disney stuff was less than advertised.

    Well if it’s time to politicize local prosecutors, this could be another effective power move of DeSantis, giving the Left a taste of their own medicine and acting as a blocker/2nd front for Trump, winning (or not alienating) his supporters.

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  26. Nathanael Ferguson Contributor
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    It amazes me how many conservatives refuse to acknowledge the politicalization of the courts. This was a problem with Tom Delay.

    Correct. It is a case of willful blindness. Heads stuck in the sand to avoid seeing the truth and thus being forced to acknowledge it….

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  27. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    To use a simple example, blackmail is bad.  If you rob a bank to pay the blackmailer, that might be considered worse.

    Nobody robbed a bank.  The legal question is whether a campaign account or a personal account should have been used.   It is a tough call.  Paying a porn star a bonus is a clearly a personal expense, but the fact that it probably prevents the airing of news that is bad for a campaign, might make it political.   Either way, a NYC grand jury was going to indict him.

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  28. Nathanael Ferguson Contributor
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    This is third world, banana republic type of thing. The country has really fallen. And I say the country because there are enough Democrats who support this. What is their end goal? I guess it draws plenty of donations. I don’t see any other reason.

    I have some mixed feelings, but shouldn’t office-holders even elected ones, be expected to follow the law, perhaps especially about things like classified documents? And what’s the excuse for letting them get away with it if they don’t follow the law?

    Maybe if these things were actually taken seriously and enforced, people like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden wouldn’t flout the law so easily.

    This happened long before Donald Trump was an office holder of any kind, and at a time when he was almost universally understood to never become an office holder. 

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    To use a simple example, blackmail is bad. If you rob a bank to pay the blackmailer, that might be considered worse.

    Nobody robbed a bank. The legal question is whether a campaign account or a personal account should have been used. It is a tough call. Paying a porn star a bonus is a clearly a personal expense, but the fact that it probably prevents the airing of news that is bad for a campaign, might make it political. Either way, a NYC grand jury was going to indict him.

    Because Trump is just another ham sandwich waiting to be indicted if someone wants it enough.

    But since the lawyer actually did it, and has already been convicted and disbarred etc, what’s with going after Trump?

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    Nathanael Ferguson (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    This is third world, banana republic type of thing. The country has really fallen. And I say the country because there are enough Democrats who support this. What is their end goal? I guess it draws plenty of donations. I don’t see any other reason.

    I have some mixed feelings, but shouldn’t office-holders even elected ones, be expected to follow the law, perhaps especially about things like classified documents? And what’s the excuse for letting them get away with it if they don’t follow the law?

    Maybe if these things were actually taken seriously and enforced, people like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden wouldn’t flout the law so easily.

    This happened long before Donald Trump was an office holder of any kind, and at a time when he was almost universally understood to never become an office holder.

    That was my point too, in a later comment.

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