Boo Hoo, New Hampshire! Sucks to Be You.

 

It’s just hilarious to hear the weeping and teeth-gnashing from NH about the DNC changing their primary order. The NH delegate to the DNC rules committee went on and on about how NH was known for “retail politics,” where the candidates had to deal with voters face to face.  It was important to really be able to see what the candidates are made of.

Hogwash! The reason NH has clung to its first-in-the-nation status is because those folks luuuuuve the fact that every four years the candidates have to hike up there in the snow, genuflect, kneel down, and lick the boots of the guy that owns Harry’s Deli, the woman who owns Sally’s Bakery, etc., etc.  What an ego trip!  And they might get on national news asking some candidate a really tough question.  National news!!!

And while we’re at it – Iowa Caucuses.  They are basically a test of which candidate has supporters who are the most bull-headed and have the largest bladders.  Those folks can outlast the other candidates’ supporters at the local high school gym where they meet and be the last to go home, thereby winning that precinct’s caucus for their guy.  So….nothing to do with who the voters of Iowa might actually prefer.

I think the primary calendars should rotate each cycle.  Give every region a chance to be first.

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  1. No Caesar Thatcher
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    EB:

    It’s just hilarious to hear the weeping and teeth-gnashing from NH about the DNC changing their primary order. The NH delegate to the DNC rules committee went on and on about how NH was known for “retail politics,” where the candidates had to deal with voters face to face. It was important to really be able to see what the candidates are made of.

    Hogwash! The reason NH has clung to its first-in-the-nation status is because those folks luuuuuve the fact that every four years the candidates have to hike up there in the snow, genuflect, kneel down, and lick the boots of the guy that owns Harry’s Deli, the woman who owns Sally’s Bakery, etc. etc. What an ego trip! And they might get on national news asking some candidate a really tough question. National news!!!

    And while we’re at it – Iowa Caucuses. They are basically a test of which candidate has supporters who are the most bull-headed and have the largest bladders. Those folks can outlast the other candidates’ supporters at the local high school gym where they meet and be the last to go home, thereby winning that precinct’s caucus for their guy. So….nothing to do with who the voters of Iowa might actually prefer.

    I think the primary calendars should rotate each cycle. Give every region a chance to be first.

    OK. I’m a NH partisan, grew up here and in NYC, came back for the 2nd half of my professional life.  But NH agreed to go first way back when it wasn’t advantageous to the state.  Now everyone wants in on the action.  We are still the First GOP primary so….

    NH actually is a good retail politics state.  The reality is that it’s a small-ish state by population and geography.  Therefore, un-known candidates have a chance to make an impression.  If CA went first it would only allow pre-funded candidates to have a chance.  NH is also the only purple state in the blue northeast.  The current early stage trifecta: Iowa, NH, SC are all similar-sized states in three different regions of the country.  I think Arizona is trying to secure the West Coast slot.  Sure there are defects in each state’s approach, but they are well-known, and addressable by everyone.  The defects of a big-money state going first are likewise known, but are not addressable by upstarts.

    It is in the interest of the Establishment to have continuity.  The powers that be would prefer that large, big-money states determined primaries.  It makes it easier to keep insurgents out.  Early primaries from small states up-end that and provide more opportunity for stirring the pot.

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  2. No Caesar Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    I’m fine with switching around the order of the states, but I do like the idea of keeping some small states at the front of the line so that they get a little time in the sun.

    Who’s going to organize and enforce this?

    Beats me.

    That’s the point. New Hampshire’s state law is that their primary is first by at least 7 days. Biden is talking about South Carolina being first on February 3, 2024. Under New Hampshire state law, that would mean that the New Hampshire Primary would be on Saturday, January 27, 2024. The State Legislature does not set the date for the Primary Election each year. No, the New Hampshire Secretary of State sets the date of the Primary Election.

    Well, what if the Dem’s set South Carolina on January 27th? New Hampshire will go back to January 20th. What if the Dem’s then move South Carolina back to January 2nd? New Hampshire has often stated that they have no problem with setting their primary in the December before the election year. Will it be on December 26th, or will they back it up to December 23rd? New Hampshire really doesn’t care what you think and what you like or what you want. They are going to go first.

    Well, what if the Democrats say that New Hampshire would lose half of their delegates? New Hampshire really doesn’t care. They still are going to go first. What if the Democrats say that New Hampshire will lose all of their delegates? New Hampshire really doesn’t care. They still are going to go first by at least seven days. They would likely pass a law saying that the assigning of delegates whenever that happens, if they have any delegates, will be based proportionately on who won the primary.

    New Hampshire calls itself The Granite State. Actually, maybe they should be known as the “Honey Badger” state, based upon the meme, “Honey Badger Don’t Care.”

    New Hampshire’s number of delegates is nominal at best. But who places first or second and by how much is HUGE. New Hampshire is going to go first, and they really don’t care if you don’t think that it is fair or not. They are going first.

    Good point.  It is interesting to note that in the last couple of Presidential primaries the DNC threatened to punish NH Democrats by cutting their numbers at the Convention and always backed down.  This is one matter on which NH Republicans and Democrats are in near-complete agreement.  I can see no scenario under which the NH politicians agree to change the law.  

    It’s our version of political mutually-assured destruction.   The only way a state can circumvent this is to use a caucus.

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  3. Charlotte Member
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    Good comments from @nocaesar. I am guessing @max (or @albertarthur) might have thoughts on this too, if he’s still around.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    For New Hampshire’s “New Hampshire Goes First” law to really be credible and valid, wouldn’t every other state need a “New Hampshire Goes First” law as well?

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  5. EB Thatcher
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  6. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Tex929rr (View Comment):

     

    Last week I heard a news story where some Iowa official promised they would move their caucus to the prior year to ensure they were first.

    The Iowa Dems could hold their caucus on the 4th of July 2023 or, to be more woke, Junteenth. 

    A little known fact: Mayor Pete’s supporters have superior bladder control.  

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  7. No Caesar Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    For New Hampshire’s “New Hampshire Goes First” law to really be credible and valid, wouldn’t every other state need a “New Hampshire Goes First” law as well?

    I don’t follow.  Each state sets the date and means of selecting their Presidential electors.  As Gary noted, NH law is auto-updating.

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    No Caesar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    For New Hampshire’s “New Hampshire Goes First” law to really be credible and valid, wouldn’t every other state need a “New Hampshire Goes First” law as well?

    I don’t follow. Each state sets the date and means of selecting their Presidential electors. As Gary noted, NH law is auto-updating.

    Yes, but, supposedly if there was some kind of agreement that New Hampshire would go first – which seems to be at least the implication from comment 31, for example – shouldn’t that be reflected in EVERY state’s laws, not just New Hampshire’s?

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Timothy Landon (View Comment):

    Remember when Iowa Democrats could not declare a winner? I hope the primaries improve in 2024.

    This was in 2020 to protect Biden, who would have finished 5th.

    And that’s what switching to South Carolina is all about. Leading off with states where he doesn’t have to do retail politics, where some upstart could get the momentum. 

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  10. iWe Coolidge
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    I am all for small state politics, especially because it allows poorly-funded candidates to shine through.

    Nevertheless, NH is deeply influenced by Massachusetts, and I agree we should rotate through other states/regions as starters. 

     

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  11. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    No Caesar (View Comment):
    It is in the interest of the Establishment to have continuity.  The powers that be would prefer that large, big-money states determined primaries.  It makes it easier to keep insurgents out. 

    And also states with very strong union/political machine election control like Nevada. 

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  12. No Caesar Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    For New Hampshire’s “New Hampshire Goes First” law to really be credible and valid, wouldn’t every other state need a “New Hampshire Goes First” law as well?

    I don’t follow. Each state sets the date and means of selecting their Presidential electors. As Gary noted, NH law is auto-updating.

    Yes, but, supposedly if there was some kind of agreement that New Hampshire would go first – which seems to be at least the implication from comment 31, for example – shouldn’t that be reflected in EVERY state’s laws, not just New Hampshire’s?

    No.  You’re mixing up the National party committees and state laws.  State governments set the dates and means of selecting their Presidential electors.  The DNC and RNC are private entities and have their own rules about accepting each state committees’ representatives to select their nominees.  So it’s apples and oranges, but still a fruit bowl.

    For some reason the DNC has long disliked NH going first and keeps threatening the NH Democrats with diminished representation (probably because of NH’s long-held enmity to unions and high % of military veterans).  NH politicians of all parties love the quadrennial spotlight our smallish state gets (non-political residents, less so).    Both state parties got each others back on this one topic.  And the national GOP sees the value of the first stop NH primary, so is happy with the status quo.

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    No Caesar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    For New Hampshire’s “New Hampshire Goes First” law to really be credible and valid, wouldn’t every other state need a “New Hampshire Goes First” law as well?

    I don’t follow. Each state sets the date and means of selecting their Presidential electors. As Gary noted, NH law is auto-updating.

    Yes, but, supposedly if there was some kind of agreement that New Hampshire would go first – which seems to be at least the implication from comment 31, for example – shouldn’t that be reflected in EVERY state’s laws, not just New Hampshire’s?

    No. You’re mixing up the National party committees and state laws. State governments set the dates and means of selecting their Presidential electors. The DNC and RNC are private entities and have their own rules about accepting each state committees’ representatives to select their nominees. So it’s apples and oranges, but still a fruit bowl.

    For some reason the DNC has long disliked NH going first and keeps threatening the NH Democrats with diminished representation (probably because of NH’s long-held enmity to unions and high % of military veterans). NH politicians of all parties love the quadrennial spotlight our smallish state gets (non-political residents, less so). Both state parties got each others back on this one topic. And the national GOP sees the value of the first stop NH primary, so is happy with the status quo.

    Oh, it sounded like someone said that NH has a LAW that it will always go first.  If it’s just a party thing, that’s different.

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  14. randallg Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    I’ve often thought that California should pass a law that their primary is the same day as NH’s – whenever that is. None of the candidates would go to NH if they had first crack at CA’s 400+ delegates. Hmmmm, sunny CA or snowbound NH?

    But that wouldn’t work if NH insists that theirs be EARLIER by at least 7 days.

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  15. No Caesar Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    For New Hampshire’s “New Hampshire Goes First” law to really be credible and valid, wouldn’t every other state need a “New Hampshire Goes First” law as well?

    I don’t follow. Each state sets the date and means of selecting their Presidential electors. As Gary noted, NH law is auto-updating.

    Yes, but, supposedly if there was some kind of agreement that New Hampshire would go first – which seems to be at least the implication from comment 31, for example – shouldn’t that be reflected in EVERY state’s laws, not just New Hampshire’s?

    No. You’re mixing up the National party committees and state laws. State governments set the dates and means of selecting their Presidential electors. The DNC and RNC are private entities and have their own rules about accepting each state committees’ representatives to select their nominees. So it’s apples and oranges, but still a fruit bowl.

    For some reason the DNC has long disliked NH going first and keeps threatening the NH Democrats with diminished representation (probably because of NH’s long-held enmity to unions and high % of military veterans). NH politicians of all parties love the quadrennial spotlight our smallish state gets (non-political residents, less so). Both state parties got each others back on this one topic. And the national GOP sees the value of the first stop NH primary, so is happy with the status quo.

    Oh, it sounded like someone said that NH has a LAW that it will always go first. If it’s just a party thing, that’s different.

    NH does have a law.  The state government has passed a bill (I think back in the 1990s) permanently setting the date of its Presidential Primary based upon certain external triggers.   This is strongly supported by both NH Republicans and NH Democrats.  The state parties support each other on this, there is no difference in position amongst them on this matter.  Therefore, it is highly unlikely that the law will ever be changed.  That is separate from whether a national party committee accepts the delegates from that state in selecting that party’s candidate.

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