They Need Extra Time to ‘Count the Votes,’ if You Know What I Mean

 

The White House has released a pre-emptive statement, telling American citizens not to expect the results of the election until they have time to, um, count the ballots.  If you know what I mean.

The midterm election results will not be clear on Election Day and final results won’t arrive for “a few days,” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Monday.

Jean-Pierre made the statement during a press conference at the White House on the eve of Election Day. She argued that many states use mail-in ballots and other forms of early voting that often won’t be counted until after the ballots cast in-person on Tuesday.

“We may not know all the winners of elections for a few days. It takes time to count all legitimate ballots in a legal and orderly manner. That’s how this is supposed to work,” Jean-Pierre told reporters.

Voting is managed by local election commissions – run by local elected officials, in towns that The White House has never heard of.  The White House does not play any role in counting votes.

At least, I didn’t think that The White House played any role in counting votes.  So presuming that they don’t, then why are they releasing this statement?  How is this their concern?  And how do they know how votes are counted, or when?  And why does The White House feel the need to explain how local election commissions do their jobs?

It was not long ago that America was capable of getting election results as quickly as third-world countries – on the same day.  Just over the past few elections, all of a sudden it takes days or weeks, instead of hours.

After all, they need time to “count the votes.”  If you know what I mean.

Thank goodness The White House cleared that up.  That really sets my mind at ease.

Are red lights flashing in anyone else’s head right now?

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  1. Vance Richards Member
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Hey, we’re filling out ballots as fast as we can, but we gotta wait and see how many are needed . . .

    That’s the way they have traditionally done it in Portland, OR.

    Years ago when I lived in Seattle, I remember that whenever there was a close election, a box of uncounted ballots would be “found” in King county.

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  2. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Has FoxNews called Arizona for the Democrats yet?

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  3. Old Bathos Moderator
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    The Patent Office has been stubbornly slow processing my applications for an artificial appendix and a Braille vehicle speedometer but hopefully, the ’24 elections will be using my built-in hanging chad ballot–defaults to either a Democratic or invalid vote when machine-read. I see a huge blue state market.

    A Navy man I knew who was born in the Philippines said that he hated Ferdinand Marcos as did everyone in his family and home village.  Nevertheless, Marcos won 100% of the vote in the village when re-elected each time.  I think that was the inspiration for Dominion software.  Wish I had thought of that.  

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  4. Bishop Wash Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Has FoxNews called Arizona for the Democrats yet?

    News reports are saying that Maricopa County is already having trouble with some of their machines. Paper ballots don’t fail.

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  5. Bishop Wash Member
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Hey, we’re filling out ballots as fast as we can, but we gotta wait and see how many are needed . . .

    That’s the way they have traditionally done it in Portland, OR.

    Years ago when I lived in Seattle, I remember that whenever there was a close election, a box of uncounted ballots would be “found” in King county.

    I laughed at the Ruthless Podcast’s election day episode this morning. Josh said it will depend on if the Republican can split King County. Good luck with that.

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  6. Bishop Wash Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    There will be big Republican leads in a few states. Voting will shut down around 2 a.m. The next day when the voting is resumed, the Democrat will suddenly pick up a huge amount of votes. Questioning any of this will be deemed election denial and being in the pocket of Putin.

    Gas prices have gone down a little bit so Putin is doing some good work for me.

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  7. cdor Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat, I really look like to hear why you think the election of 2020 was stolen. Obviously it was rigged by by the FBI but you seem to think that Trump would have gotten more electoral college points if the votes were all counted fairly.

    I have read the gajillion shady things that happened with the votes but I still haven’t seen the Leviathan of evidence.

    You aren’t allowed to see the evidence…you are merely a citizen and you do not have standing.

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  8. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    Doc, I don’t know for sure, but I don’t recall that all of the vote-counting was done on election day, in the past.  Maybe it was, but that’s not my impression.

    Our voting system is bewilderingly complex.  I think that the “third-world country” comparison is a poor one.  I don’t know how other countries hold their elections.

    In our country, we often vote for federal offices, state offices, local offices, and various ballot initiatives, all on the same ballot.  My ballot is different from others in my metro area, because, for example:

    • There may be more than one Congressional district in the area
    • There may be more than one state legislative district
    • There may be different cities, towns, or counties involved
    • There may be different school districts, fire districts, and other local districts and boards involved

    This may, or may not, be the case in other countries.  I don’t know.

    My recollection is that it often took quite a while to certify election results, as far back as I can remember.  Sometimes, of course, the result is lopsided, so we can be pretty sure of the result even if the counting isn’t done.

    I do suspect that the spread of voting by mail has caused delays.  Arizona has a lot of voting by mail.

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  9. cdor Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Doc, I don’t know for sure, but I don’t recall that all of the vote-counting was done on election day, in the past. Maybe it was, but that’s not my impression.

    Our voting system is bewilderingly complex. I think that the “third-world country” comparison is a poor one. I don’t know how other countries hold their elections.

    In our country, we often vote for federal offices, state offices, local offices, and various ballot initiatives, all on the same ballot. My ballot is different from others in my metro area, because, for example:

    • There may be more than one Congressional district in the area
    • There may be more than one state legislative district
    • There may be different cities, towns, or counties involved
    • There may be different school districts, fire districts, and other local districts and boards involved

    This may, or may not, be the case in other countries. I don’t know.

    My recollection is that it often took quite a while to certify election results, as far back as I can remember. Sometimes, of course, the result is lopsided, so we can be pretty sure of the result even if the counting isn’t done.

    I do suspect that the spread of voting by mail has caused delays. Arizona has a lot of voting by mail.

    Chain of custody evaporates with mail-in voting. There must be a way to improve that.

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  10. Miffed White Male Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Has FoxNews called Arizona for the Democrats yet?

    News reports are saying that Maricopa County is already having trouble with some of their machines. Paper ballots don’t fail.

    I really miss the old machines with the curtain and the little levers that clicked down by each candidate.  Those made you feel like you were *voting*.  Although I understand they were pretty easy to manipulate.

    Now we have the paper ballots you feed into a scanner.  Not the same.  We don’t have the electronic voting machines here, I really don’t get the point of those at all.

    Was #121 when I voted at 9:25 this morning – polls opened at 8.

    Three different wards vote at my place – not sure if they each had their own numbering.  Only about 3-5 people in line at each table, saw one person get told they had to go to a completely different location to vote (we redistricted the city pretty severely), and one person who made it to the front of the line before they were told they had to register first – Wisconsin has same-day registration.  Lien at the registration table was pretty short.

     

     

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  11. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    cdor (View Comment):
    Chain of custody evaporates with mail-in voting. There must be a way to improve that.

    Easy.   Every ballot has a thumbprint and DNA sample of the voter.    Then you check for
    too many matching thumbprints and start checking deeper.

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  12. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Has FoxNews called Arizona for the Democrats yet?

    News reports are saying that Maricopa County is already having trouble with some of their machines. Paper ballots don’t fail.

    ABC News says that the “Red Mirage” is coming.   That is night of GOP leads fade away over time.

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  13. cdor Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):
    Chain of custody evaporates with mail-in voting. There must be a way to improve that.

    Easy. Every ballot has a thumbprint and DNA sample of the voter. Then you check for
    too many matching thumbprints and start checking deeper.

    At least that is something. Maybe it’s the answer, I don’t know, but what we are doing now is inaccuracy by design.

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  14. Ekosj Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):
    Chain of custody evaporates with mail-in voting. There must be a way to improve that.

    Easy. Every ballot has a thumbprint and DNA sample of the voter. Then you check for
    too many matching thumbprints and start checking deeper.

    That invalidates the concept of “secret ballot”

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  15. Ekosj Member
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    I really miss the old machines with the curtain and the little levers that clicked down by each candidate.  Those made you feel like you were *voting*.  Although I understand they were pretty easy to manipulate.

    I was a volunteer election poll worker when those mechanical machines were in use.   They were pretty straightforward.   We tested them in the morning to be sure all the levers and counter wheels worked.   Once satisfied we cleared the machines and Reset everything to zero…all under supervision of pollwatchers from both parties.  Periodically through the day we’d confirmed the number of voters who cast votes on the machine squared with the number of people who came in.   After the voting ended we reopened the machines, read off the totals, and that was that.   It was quite simple really.

    If anything broke we reverted to paper ballots.

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  16. DMak Member
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    Cambodia’s strongman came close to losing elections a few times. He had to use the court to essentially outlaw his opponents because it’s hard to steal elections. Only in America, where electoral fraud is rampant. 

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Mail-in ballots have long been considered too high a risk for cheating, by everyone who has ever studied the issue, by both parties. So they have never been allowed.

    Then the lockdown happened, and suddenly they were “necessary” because it was argued that it was too dangerous to go and vote in person. (Never mind that it was not too dangerous to go to Lowes, or stop in at a liquor store, or go for groceries, or anything else that every single one of the people claiming voting was too dangerous did every damn day.)

    Apparently the mask and the six-foot rule was fine for most tasks, but standing in a voting line was way too dangerous – it’s Science!

    Anyway, now that Covid hysteria is over for all practical purposes, why in the hell is mail-in voting still going on? I get that it’s obviously because the powers that be want to be able to cheat us all blind, but why are the people putting up with it? Are we really just too stupid to govern ourselves?

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    I really miss the old machines with the curtain and the little levers that clicked down by each candidate.  Those made you feel like you were *voting*.  Although I understand they were pretty easy to manipulate.

    Computers are even easier.

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):
    Chain of custody evaporates with mail-in voting. There must be a way to improve that.

    Easy. Every ballot has a thumbprint and DNA sample of the voter. Then you check for
    too many matching thumbprints and start checking deeper.

    That invalidates the concept of “secret ballot”

    Only for mail-in ballots.  If people can’t be bothered to vote in person, maybe that’s the sacrifice they have to make.

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  20. Vance Richards Member
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    I saw a reporter on TV this morning saying that a delay in getting results is a good thing because it means they are taking the time to get it right. And by “get it right” he means . . . 

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  21. Full Size Tabby Member
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    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    They were talking about this a couple weeks ago.

    If you’re telling me two weeks before an election that it may take days to count the ballots, what you’re actually telling me is that you’re planning to cheat. Simple as.

    I find it hard to believe that the Democrats are so tone-deaf or out of touch that they don’t appreciate that telling voters “we’ll need several days to count the votes” will be heard by a bunch of people as stating an intention to cheat. They’re feeding the “conspiracy theories” they claim to abhor. They can’t really be that out of touch, can they?

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    They were talking about this a couple weeks ago.

    If you’re telling me two weeks before an election that it may take days to count the ballots, what you’re actually telling me is that you’re planning to cheat. Simple as.

    I find it hard to believe that the Democrats are so tone-deaf or out of touch that they don’t appreciate that telling voters “we’ll need several days to count the votes” will be heard by a bunch of people as stating an intention to cheat. They’re feeding the “conspiracy theories” they claim to abhor. They can’t really be that out of touch, can they?

    I think they can be, and a lot of their followers will agree with anything they say.

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  23. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    In Florida, the State is allowed to count mail-in ballots as they arrive. As soon as the polls close the mail-in ballots go public. Everything is wrapped up very quickly.

    But in other states like Pennsylvania, the mail-in ballots are not counted until the polls close. You might want to talk to the Pennsylvania Republican Legislature about why this is so.

    I have heard two explanations.

    One is that (when mail-in ballots are a small percentage of total ballots) mail in ballots rarely change the outcome of the in-person results, so there’s no need to rush the counting of mail-in ballots.

    The other is that (once mail-in ballots became a significant portion of total ballots, but assuming all legitimate mail-in ballots were on-hand before in-person polling closed) knowing the results of the mail-in ballots before the in-person polls closed provided cheaters with the number of ballots that needed to be stuffed into the incoming in-person poll results. Now however we have seen how much of a problem the mail-in ballots present, especially when those mail-in ballots arrive after the in-person polls have closed, and are counted without decent custody and verification control. 

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  24. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Dr. Bastiat: It was not long ago that America was capable of getting election results as quickly as third-world countries – on the same day.  Just over the past few elections, all of a sudden it takes days or weeks, instead of hours.

    Is that actually true?  Certainly in 2000 the Florida recount went on for weeks, though granted that was an unusual case.  I suspect that in most recent Presidential elections one candidate conceded by the end of the night, based on some combination of their internal polls plus network news calling the results, and no one paid attention to the fact that official vote counting continued behind the scenes for several days afterward.

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  25. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Here in California, Gavin Newsom’s re-election was announced at 10 minutes after 8Pm. (The polls had closed at 8Pm.)

    Whether this means 2 percent of the vote was in, and they went ahead and judged the results from that, or what, I have no idea.

    It takes 30 mins just to drive the paper ballots into the County office from my local polling place, so I have no idea what is going on.

     

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  26. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Here in California, Gavin Newsom’s re-election was announced at 10 minutes after 8Pm. (The polls had closed at 8Pm.)

    Whether this means 2 percent of the vote was in, and they went ahead and judged the results from that, or what, I have no idea.

    The networks rely on early returns plus exit polling data, is my understanding.  As of 11:00 PM the polls have been closed for 3 hours and Newsom is ahead 2.8 million votes to 1.8 million for Dahle.  Considering there were over 12 million votes cast for governor in 2018, I’d say they’ve counted less than half the votes so far.

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Here in California, Gavin Newsom’s re-election was announced at 10 minutes after 8Pm. (The polls had closed at 8Pm.)

    Whether this means 2 percent of the vote was in, and they went ahead and judged the results from that, or what, I have no idea.

    The networks rely on early returns plus exit polling data, is my understanding. As of 11:00 PM the polls have been closed for 3 hours and Newsom is ahead 2.8 million votes to 1.8 million for Dahle. Considering there were over 12 million votes cast for governor in 2018, I’d say they’ve counted less than half the votes so far.

    The way the media and the rest of the ruling class in the People’s Republic of California behave, the rest of the state is just a pimple on the butt of Los Angeles and San Francisco.

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  28. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Here in California, Gavin Newsom’s re-election was announced at 10 minutes after 8Pm. (The polls had closed at 8Pm.)

    Whether this means 2 percent of the vote was in, and they went ahead and judged the results from that, or what, I have no idea.

    The networks rely on early returns plus exit polling data, is my understanding. As of 11:00 PM the polls have been closed for 3 hours and Newsom is ahead 2.8 million votes to 1.8 million for Dahle. Considering there were over 12 million votes cast for governor in 2018, I’d say they’ve counted less than half the votes so far.

    The way the media and the rest of the ruling class in the People’s Republic of California behave, the rest of the state is just a pimple on the butt of Los Angeles and San Francisco.

    It’s not like the race was close, the networks could’ve safely called it weeks ago. Newsom wouldn’t have been burning campaign cash on TV ads in Florida if he were even remotely worried about losing this election. 

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  29. Saint Augustine Member
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    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Here in California, Gavin Newsom’s re-election was announced at 10 minutes after 8Pm. (The polls had closed at 8Pm.)

    Whether this means 2 percent of the vote was in, and they went ahead and judged the results from that, or what, I have no idea.

    The networks rely on early returns plus exit polling data, is my understanding. As of 11:00 PM the polls have been closed for 3 hours and Newsom is ahead 2.8 million votes to 1.8 million for Dahle. Considering there were over 12 million votes cast for governor in 2018, I’d say they’ve counted less than half the votes so far.

    The way the media and the rest of the ruling class in the People’s Republic of California behave, the rest of the state is just a pimple on the butt of Los Angeles and San Francisco.

    It’s not like the race was close, the networks could’ve safely called it weeks ago. Newsom wouldn’t have been burning campaign cash on TV ads in Florida if he were even remotely worried about losing this election.

    Still, I wonder what his lead would be if Florida’s election procedures were instituted in Cali.

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Here in California, Gavin Newsom’s re-election was announced at 10 minutes after 8Pm. (The polls had closed at 8Pm.)

    Whether this means 2 percent of the vote was in, and they went ahead and judged the results from that, or what, I have no idea.

    The networks rely on early returns plus exit polling data, is my understanding. As of 11:00 PM the polls have been closed for 3 hours and Newsom is ahead 2.8 million votes to 1.8 million for Dahle. Considering there were over 12 million votes cast for governor in 2018, I’d say they’ve counted less than half the votes so far.

    The way the media and the rest of the ruling class in the People’s Republic of California behave, the rest of the state is just a pimple on the butt of Los Angeles and San Francisco.

    It’s not like the race was close, the networks could’ve safely called it weeks ago. Newsom wouldn’t have been burning campaign cash on TV ads in Florida if he were even remotely worried about losing this election.

    Still, I wonder what his lead would be if Florida’s election procedures were instituted in Cali.

    It might not matter that much, so many people who don’t want Newsom have already left.

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