Boffins Closer than Ever to Bringing About Stephen King’s ‘The Stand’ IRL

 

Scientists in Boston have created a strain of Covid that is 80% fatal in mice.  And if you’ve met a lot of people from Boston, you wouldn’t blame them.

In the new research , which has not been peer-reviewed, a team of researchers from Boston and Florida extracted Omicron’s spike protein — the unique structure that binds to and invades human cells. It has always been present but it has become more evolved over time. Omicron has dozens of mutations in its spike protein that made it so infectious. Researchers attached Omicron’s spike protein to the original wildtype strain that first emerged in Wuhan at the start of the pandemic. The researchers looked at how mice fared under the new hybrid strain compared to the original Omicron variant

80 percent of mice died from the new man-made Covid strain, while none died from the milder Omicron variant alone, researchers at Boston University’s National Emerging Infectious Diseases Laboratories found.

We’re all going to die. So vote accordingly.

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  1. BDB Inactive
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Sidebar Question: How many of you had to look up “Boffin.”

    I just pretend I know until somebody else asks.

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  2. Judge Mental Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Sidebar Question: How many of you had to look up “Boffin.”

    Learned it on Page 3 many years ago.

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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Sidebar Question: How many of you had to look up “Boffin.”

    Not me. Though I admit I was surprised to see it here, and it made me wonder about your nation of origin.

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  4. No Caesar Thatcher
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    I saw that article and the pictures say it all.  If this kind of thing is going to be done (and it is, you can’t un-ring a bell), I’d rather it were done in a country with serious enforcement of Bio-Safety Lab Levels (and I know from direct experience that Mass is serious).    Having said that, it sure looks like curiosity will kill us.   (Q: Why did you do it?  A: To see if I could.)

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    No Caesar (View Comment):

    I saw that article and the pictures say it all. If this kind of thing is going to be done (and it is, you can’t un-ring a bell), I’d rather it were done in a country with serious enforcement of Bio-Safety Lab Levels (and I know from direct experience that Mass is serious). Having said that, it sure looks like curiosity will kill us. (Q: Why did you do it? A: To see if I could.)

    As in the video clips in #8.

    All that kind of stuff needs to be done on the Moon, or at least in orbit.  With a self-destruct that can be set off from home base.

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  6. Randy Hendershot Lincoln
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    I thought John Ringo’s Under a Graveyard Sky was just a fun romp in the world of zombie-apocalyptic fiction. With a semi-plausible twist (and a kick-butt heroine). Hmm. Such things seem to become more plausible each year. ):

    Loved that whole Series. Read it before covid. Prescient. More rice, more beans, more ammo!

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  7. BDB Inactive
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    No Caesar (View Comment):

    I saw that article and the pictures say it all. If this kind of thing is going to be done (and it is, you can’t un-ring a bell), I’d rather it were done in a country with serious enforcement of Bio-Safety Lab Levels (and I know from direct experience that Mass is serious). Having said that, it sure looks like curiosity will kill us. (Q: Why did you do it? A: To see if I could.)

    Well, when it’s done in China, it still * us in the *, so I’m all for no.

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  8. James Lileks Contributor
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    I would not be surprised (a mealy way of saying I think this is the case, but what do I know) that the pooh-poohing of the lab-leak hypothesis had two reason:  one a matter of craven arse-covering, the other a matter of doing the right thing as the scientists saw it. As for the arse-covering: we outsourced our GoF research, and no one in the Boffin-American community wanted anyone to think that the government was involved in this research, or that there was a supranational health-research community that was tweaking bugs for reasons the deplorable groundlings wouldn’t understand.

    As for the Doing the Right Thing: they actually did regard GoF research as essential to getting ahead of a really bad bug, and thought that global health, whatever that is, would suffer if we didn’t research these things. Add some hubris and institutional laxity born of confidence, and toss in a soupçon of inevitable human error, and you have COVID-19.

    Better to fob it off on a wet market or some guy from the provinces who staggered into town full of bat spit and just happened to sneeze on someone six blocks from the Wuhan labs. That way they can get back to normal eventually.  The money will continue to flow, and the necessary work will continue to get done. It’s a combination of self-interest and actual public-mindedness, with the former ignored as a contributing factor because of the manifest importance of the latter. I mean, just because you want your work to be fully funded and earn prestige doesn’t mean you don’t actually care about stopping pandemics. 

    Realize of course that if we cut off all funds for this sort of thing, and it happens again, the headlines will be “How the Virus-Denying GOP kneecapped our ability to find a cure.”

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  9. Annefy Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    I would not be surprised (a mealy way of saying I think this is the case, but what do I know) that the pooh-poohing of the lab-leak hypothesis had two reason: one a matter of craven arse-covering, the other a matter of doing the right thing as the scientists saw it. As for the arse-covering: we outsourced our GoF research, and no one in the Boffin-American community wanted anyone to think that the government was involved in this research, or that there was a supranational health-research community that was tweaking bugs for reasons the deplorable groundlings wouldn’t understand.

    As for the Doing the Right Thing: they actually did regard GoF research as essential to getting ahead of a really bad bug, and thought that global health, whatever that is, would suffer if we didn’t research these things. Add some hubris and institutional laxity born of confidence, and toss in a soupçon of inevitable human error, and you have COVID-19.

    Better to fob it off on a wet market or some guy from the provinces who staggered into town full of bat spit and just happened to sneeze on someone six blocks from the Wuhan labs. That way they can get back to normal eventually. The money will continue to flow, and the necessary work will continue to get done. It’s a combination of self-interest and actual public-mindedness, with the former ignored as a contributing factor because of the manifest importance of the latter. I mean, just because you want your work to be fully funded and earn prestige doesn’t mean you don’t actually care about stopping pandemics.

    Realize of course that if we cut off all funds for this sort of thing, and it happens again, the headlines will be “How the Virus-Denying GOP kneecapped our ability to find a cure.”

    Right now we should be running ads that say: “$(However many gazillion) dollars spent and still no cure.”

    It appears as though risks have been taken, incalculable funds spent on God knows what, and still no cure.

    So let’s save the money.

     

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  10. David Carroll Thatcher
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Just received an email from Alex Berenson:

    “Yes, all the mice infected with the original Sars-Cov-2 died.

    Which is really bad. If you’re a mouse.

    I think we can agree that Sars-Cov-2 does not have a 100 percent mortality rate in humans.

    Nor did the researchers provide any evidence that the blended Omicron/wild-type coronavirus is able to defeat antibodies in people who have been infected with and recovered from Omicron. Which is basically all of us. (They did show that both the original Omicron and their variant beats the mRNA vaccines, but that fact is not a surprise either.)

    Further, this work was conducted in a Biosafety Level 3 lab, the second-highest level, used for most viruses that aren’t Ebola/Marburg or smallpox. Should the work have been done in a top-level BSL 4 lab, with positive pressure and all the rest? Maybe. But considering we’ve all been exposed to Omicron already, and considering that the infection fatality rate from even the wild-type is more like 0.3 percent – 3 in 1000 – than 30 percent – maybe not.

    Would it be a good idea to make this sort of fiddling with Sars-Cov-2 public BEFORE scientists conduct it, so virologists and the rest of us could discuss its risk? Yeah, more disclosure probably makes sense.

    But truly, if the last two years have taught us anything, it’s that the biggest risk from Sars-Cov-2 is hysteria, not the virus itself.

    Try not to fall into the trap.”

    Oh great. Boston University is willing to risk another great pandemic. How secure is the facility against transmission? Even if they have the best security in the world, human beings make mistakes. It is simply not worth the risk.

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  11. Henry Racette Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    It’s a combination of self-interest and actual public-mindedness, with the former ignored as a contributing factor because of the manifest importance of the latter. I mean, just because you want your work to be fully funded and earn prestige doesn’t mean you don’t actually care about stopping pandemics. 

    I’m about the last guy to go all fire and brimstone on people for exhibiting the myriad human foibles that make us such a wonderfully diverse and eclectic bunch of apes. “Benefit of the doubt” could be my middle name (though my young tutoring students will tell you it’s actually “Fun-crusher”).

    But I’m not willing to grant even a hint of a good-intentions exemption to these folks. I’m not even willing to do it in the tongue-and-cheek, damning-with-faint-praise way you do in your comment.

    In response to “We’re thinking of seeing if we can increase the lethality of the SARS-CoV-2 virus,” it’s unfathomable to me that someone didn’t say, politely and respectfully, “Are you out of your effing mind? Seriously? Do you have any idea how foolish that is? Do you realize the hell you’re going to bring down on yourself if you succeed and announce the results? Are you really that stupid?”

    I’m sure coworkers and loved ones said essentially that, albeit not as graciously as I did.

    Look, all the Smart People® are ready to plunge the world into energy poverty based on nothing more than a bunch of dubious computer models. How about the budding plaguemeisters of Boston and Wuhan do their doomsday gene-twiddling on computers as well? Then they can have the satisfaction of simulating the accidental destruction of global prosperity without the rest of us having to participate.

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  12. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    In response to “We’re thinking of seeing if we can increase the lethality of the SARS-CoV-2 virus,” it’s unfathomable to me that someone didn’t say, politely and respectfully, “Are you out of your effing mind? Seriously? Do you have any idea how foolish that is? Do you realize the hell you’re going to bring down on yourself if you succeed and announce the results? Are you really that stupid?”

    I so enjoy seeing you offer a rant, Hank! Although, of course, you’re speculating on what others might say. Still it’s nice to see.

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    All of this is addressed rather well in the video clips of comment #8.

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  14. No Caesar Thatcher
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    BDB (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):

    I saw that article and the pictures say it all. If this kind of thing is going to be done (and it is, you can’t un-ring a bell), I’d rather it were done in a country with serious enforcement of Bio-Safety Lab Levels (and I know from direct experience that Mass is serious). Having said that, it sure looks like curiosity will kill us. (Q: Why did you do it? A: To see if I could.)

    Well, when it’s done in China, it still * us in the *, so I’m all for no.

    Unfortunately, “no” is not an option.  It’s going to be done by someone.  Fun with CRISPR etc.  The future holds a lot of trans-human genetic engineering.  It’s going to happen in some form, never have humans pre-emptively discarded a new technology because it was too dangerous.  Nuclear weapons are the closest analogy and they are very much with us.

    The best of the bad options is that countries that seriously enforce BSLs need to be where this kind of work is done.   I agree that that a preference is for outer space as a location, but still under serious BSLs.  Perhaps add a new higher BSL5.  China is not serious about it’s BSLs, that’s why Fauci and Eco-Health did their work their work there, resulting (probably) in Covid-19 et al.  To work fast and to get around Congress’ ban.

    However, saying it cannot be done is not a realistic option.

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    No Caesar (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):

    I saw that article and the pictures say it all. If this kind of thing is going to be done (and it is, you can’t un-ring a bell), I’d rather it were done in a country with serious enforcement of Bio-Safety Lab Levels (and I know from direct experience that Mass is serious). Having said that, it sure looks like curiosity will kill us. (Q: Why did you do it? A: To see if I could.)

    Well, when it’s done in China, it still * us in the *, so I’m all for no.

    Unfortunately, “no” is not an option. It’s going to be done by someone. Fun with CRISPR etc. The future holds a lot of trans-human genetic engineering. It’s going to happen in some form, never have humans pre-emptively discarded a new technology because it was too dangerous. Nuclear weapons are the closest analogy and they are very much with us.

    The best of the bad options is that countries that seriously enforce BSLs need to be where this kind of work is done. I agree that that a preference is for outer space as a location, but still under serious BSLs. Perhaps add a new higher BSL5. China is not serious about it’s BSLs, that’s why Fauci and Eco-Health did their work their work there, resulting (probably) in Covid-19 et al. To work fast and to get around Congress’ ban.

    However, saying it cannot be done is not a realistic option.

    One significant difference is that nuclear weapons pretty much require being “set off.”  Virii don’t.

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  16. BDB Inactive
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    No Caesar (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):

    I saw that article and the pictures say it all. If this kind of thing is going to be done (and it is, you can’t un-ring a bell), I’d rather it were done in a country with serious enforcement of Bio-Safety Lab Levels (and I know from direct experience that Mass is serious). Having said that, it sure looks like curiosity will kill us. (Q: Why did you do it? A: To see if I could.)

    Well, when it’s done in China, it still * us in the *, so I’m all for no.

    Unfortunately, “no” is not an option. It’s going to be done by someone. Fun with CRISPR etc. The future holds a lot of trans-human genetic engineering. It’s going to happen in some form, never have humans pre-emptively discarded a new technology because it was too dangerous. Nuclear weapons are the closest analogy and they are very much with us.

    The best of the bad options is that countries that seriously enforce BSLs need to be where this kind of work is done. I agree that that a preference is for outer space as a location, but still under serious BSLs. Perhaps add a new higher BSL5. China is not serious about it’s BSLs, that’s why Fauci and Eco-Health did their work their work there, resulting (probably) in Covid-19 et al. To work fast and to get around Congress’ ban.

    However, saying it cannot be done is not a realistic option.

    It would become more realistic if the people who do it get shot.

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  17. No Caesar Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):

    I saw that article and the pictures say it all. If this kind of thing is going to be done (and it is, you can’t un-ring a bell), I’d rather it were done in a country with serious enforcement of Bio-Safety Lab Levels (and I know from direct experience that Mass is serious). Having said that, it sure looks like curiosity will kill us. (Q: Why did you do it? A: To see if I could.)

    Well, when it’s done in China, it still * us in the *, so I’m all for no.

    Unfortunately, “no” is not an option. It’s going to be done by someone. Fun with CRISPR etc. The future holds a lot of trans-human genetic engineering. It’s going to happen in some form, never have humans pre-emptively discarded a new technology because it was too dangerous. Nuclear weapons are the closest analogy and they are very much with us.

    The best of the bad options is that countries that seriously enforce BSLs need to be where this kind of work is done. I agree that that a preference is for outer space as a location, but still under serious BSLs. Perhaps add a new higher BSL5. China is not serious about it’s BSLs, that’s why Fauci and Eco-Health did their work their work there, resulting (probably) in Covid-19 et al. To work fast and to get around Congress’ ban.

    However, saying it cannot be done is not a realistic option.

    One significant difference is that nuclear weapons pretty much require being “set off.” Virii don’t.

    In a BSL4 high containment facility that follows the safety protocols, releasing a virus requires focused and concerted effort.  It doesn’t just happen “by accident”.   Releasing it into the wild is harder than launching an ICBM.   Which makes such work slow and cumbersome (as it should).  Again, that’s why Fauci and Eco-Health used Wuhan, the Chinese are much less serious about following safety standards, so work can be done faster, risks be damned.

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  18. MarciN Member
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    Boston University has now responded to people’s concerns about the virus project. I don’t understand some of it, but Ricochet readers might be interested in it. This is part of it:

    There’s some friction between the federal government and Boston University researchers after the publication of a new COVID-19 study.

    BU said reports by some publications saying they had created a new “deadly” COVID strain are misleading and untrue.

    “First, this research is not gain-of-function research, meaning it did not amplify the Washington state SARS-COV-2 virus strain (original virus from 2020) or make it more dangerous,” BU said in a statement, calling online reports Monday “false and inaccurate.”

    “In fact, this research made the virus replicate less dangerous,” the university said.

    A university representative told NBC10 Boston Tuesday that, had their been “evidence that the research was gaining function, under both [National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases] and our own protocols, we would immediately stop and report.

    The university’s National Emerging Infectious Diseases Laboratories have been studying the omicron variant and the original strain. They reportedly wanted to see if omicron, while highly contagious, was still less likely to cause severe illness.

    Researchers were working with this hybrid virus where they took the spike protein of omicron and attached it to the original strain.

    In mice, they found this new fused version killed 80% of mice infected. But that’s lower than the 100% that died of the original strain. So their conclusion is that it’s not the omicron spike protein itself that causes the virus to spread so easily, but other proteins.

    BU researchers say identifying those proteins will help better diagnose and treat COVID.

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  19. Judge Mental Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    Washington state SARS-COV-2 virus strain

    Isn’t it bigotry to call it that?

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  20. Henry Racette Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Boston University has now responded to people’s concerns about the virus project. I don’t understand some of it, but Ricochet readers might be interested in it. This is part of it:

    There’s some friction between the federal government and Boston University researchers after the publication of a new COVID-19 study.

    BU said reports by some publications saying they had created a new “deadly” COVID strain are misleading and untrue.

    “First, this research is not gain-of-function research, meaning it did not amplify the Washington state SARS-COV-2 virus strain (original virus from 2020) or make it more dangerous,” BU said in a statement, calling online reports Monday “false and inaccurate.”

    “In fact, this research made the virus replicate less dangerous,” the university said.

    A university representative told NBC10 Boston Tuesday that, had their been “evidence that the research was gaining function, under both [National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases] and our own protocols, we would immediately stop and report.

    The university’s National Emerging Infectious Diseases Laboratories have been studying the omicron variant and the original strain. They reportedly wanted to see if omicron, while highly contagious, was still less likely to cause severe illness.

    Researchers were working with this hybrid virus where they took the spike protein of omicron and attached it to the original strain.

    In mice, they found this new fused version killed 80% of mice infected. But that’s lower than the 100% that died of the original strain. So their conclusion is that it’s not the omicron spike protein itself that causes the virus to spread so easily, but other proteins.

    BU researchers say identifying those proteins will help better diagnose and treat COVID.

    I saw that too, and it certainly makes a more sensible story than the original — that people were trying to create a super-strain of this virus.

    However, they’re still playing with what is arguably the most expensive and disruptive virus of the last century. They’re doing things with it, changing it to see what will happen.

    Let’s go back to those computer models on this one. I know they aren’t as great as actually creating new viruses, but, as disruptive as they may be, computer viruses neither kill Granny nor send the kids home from school for a year.

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  21. MarciN Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Boston University has now responded to people’s concerns about the virus project. I don’t understand some of it, but Ricochet readers might be interested in it. This is part of it:

    There’s some friction between the federal government and Boston University researchers after the publication of a new COVID-19 study.

    BU said reports by some publications saying they had created a new “deadly” COVID strain are misleading and untrue.

    “First, this research is not gain-of-function research, meaning it did not amplify the Washington state SARS-COV-2 virus strain (original virus from 2020) or make it more dangerous,” BU said in a statement, calling online reports Monday “false and inaccurate.”

    “In fact, this research made the virus replicate less dangerous,” the university said.

    A university representative told NBC10 Boston Tuesday that, had their been “evidence that the research was gaining function, under both [National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases] and our own protocols, we would immediately stop and report.

    The university’s National Emerging Infectious Diseases Laboratories have been studying the omicron variant and the original strain. They reportedly wanted to see if omicron, while highly contagious, was still less likely to cause severe illness.

    Researchers were working with this hybrid virus where they took the spike protein of omicron and attached it to the original strain.

    In mice, they found this new fused version killed 80% of mice infected. But that’s lower than the 100% that died of the original strain. So their conclusion is that it’s not the omicron spike protein itself that causes the virus to spread so easily, but other proteins.

    BU researchers say identifying those proteins will help better diagnose and treat COVID.

    I saw that too, and it certainly makes a more sensible story than the original — that people were trying to create a super-strain of this virus.

    However, they’re still playing with what is arguably the most expensive and disruptive virus of the last century. They’re doing things with it, changing it to see what will happen.

    Let’s go back to those computer models on this one. I know they aren’t as great as actually creating new viruses, but, as disruptive as they may be, computer viruses neither kill Granny nor send the kids home from school for a year.

    Living in New England, I am more aware than most of scientists’ mistakes. We have a chronic infestation of tree-killing silkworms, the result of an experiment to create worms that spun stronger silk. The worms escaped! :-) 

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  22. Annefy Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Boston University has now responded to people’s concerns about the virus project. I don’t understand some of it, but Ricochet readers might be interested in it. This is part of it:

    There’s some friction between the federal government and Boston University researchers after the publication of a new COVID-19 study.

    BU said reports by some publications saying they had created a new “deadly” COVID strain are misleading and untrue.

    “First, this research is not gain-of-function research, meaning it did not amplify the Washington state SARS-COV-2 virus strain (original virus from 2020) or make it more dangerous,” BU said in a statement, calling online reports Monday “false and inaccurate.”

    “In fact, this research made the virus replicate less dangerous,” the university said.

    A university representative told NBC10 Boston Tuesday that, had their been “evidence that the research was gaining function, under both [National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases] and our own protocols, we would immediately stop and report.

    The university’s National Emerging Infectious Diseases Laboratories have been studying the omicron variant and the original strain. They reportedly wanted to see if omicron, while highly contagious, was still less likely to cause severe illness.

    Researchers were working with this hybrid virus where they took the spike protein of omicron and attached it to the original strain.

    In mice, they found this new fused version killed 80% of mice infected. But that’s lower than the 100% that died of the original strain. So their conclusion is that it’s not the omicron spike protein itself that causes the virus to spread so easily, but other proteins.

    BU researchers say identifying those proteins will help better diagnose and treat COVID.

    I saw that too, and it certainly makes a more sensible story than the original — that people were trying to create a super-strain of this virus.

    However, they’re still playing with what is arguably the most expensive and disruptive virus of the last century. They’re doing things with it, changing it to see what will happen.

    Let’s go back to those computer models on this one. I know they aren’t as great as actually creating new viruses, but, as disruptive as they may be, computer viruses neither kill Granny nor send the kids home from school for a year.

    Living in New England, I am more aware than most of scientists’ mistakes. We have a chronic infestation of tree-killing silkworms, the result of an experiment to create worms that spun stronger silk. The worms escaped! :-)

    It’s like these people have never watched a movie, read a book, or played a video game :) I fully anticipate zombies being the next threat. Lucky for me, I have a husband and three sons who have spent the last 10 years in “training” and doing research. 

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  23. MarciN Member
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Boston University has now responded to people’s concerns about the virus project. I don’t understand some of it, but Ricochet readers might be interested in it. This is part of it:

    There’s some friction between the federal government and Boston University researchers after the publication of a new COVID-19 study. . . .

    Researchers were working with this hybrid virus where they took the spike protein of omicron and attached it to the original strain.

    In mice, they found this new fused version killed 80% of mice infected. But that’s lower than the 100% that died of the original strain. So their conclusion is that it’s not the omicron spike protein itself that causes the virus to spread so easily, but other proteins.

    BU researchers say identifying those proteins will help better diagnose and treat COVID.

    I saw that too, and it certainly makes a more sensible story than the original — that people were trying to create a super-strain of this virus.

    However, they’re still playing with what is arguably the most expensive and disruptive virus of the last century. They’re doing things with it, changing it to see what will happen.

    Let’s go back to those computer models on this one. I know they aren’t as great as actually creating new viruses, but, as disruptive as they may be, computer viruses neither kill Granny nor send the kids home from school for a year.

    Living in New England, I am more aware than most of scientists’ mistakes. We have a chronic infestation of tree-killing silkworms, the result of an experiment to create worms that spun stronger silk. The worms escaped! :-)

    It’s like these people have never watched a movie, read a book, or played a video game :) I fully anticipate zombies being the next threat. Lucky for me, I have a husband and three sons who have spent the last 10 years in “training” and doing research.

    What bothers me the most of all the scientists’ irresponsible actions I’ve encountered over the years is the millions of embryos in frozen storage from IVF procedures. At one point GW had a party for a hundred “snowflake babies”: frozen embryos who had been brought to term as babies. These are viable embryos. Lord knows what some Xi-Dr. No like person would do with these human beings. And now what do we do? And it’s a global problem. I’m happy for IVF parents, but at what price?

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  24. kedavis Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Boston University has now responded to people’s concerns about the virus project. I don’t understand some of it, but Ricochet readers might be interested in it. This is part of it:

    There’s some friction between the federal government and Boston University researchers after the publication of a new COVID-19 study. . . .

    Researchers were working with this hybrid virus where they took the spike protein of omicron and attached it to the original strain.

    In mice, they found this new fused version killed 80% of mice infected. But that’s lower than the 100% that died of the original strain. So their conclusion is that it’s not the omicron spike protein itself that causes the virus to spread so easily, but other proteins.

    BU researchers say identifying those proteins will help better diagnose and treat COVID.

    I saw that too, and it certainly makes a more sensible story than the original — that people were trying to create a super-strain of this virus.

    However, they’re still playing with what is arguably the most expensive and disruptive virus of the last century. They’re doing things with it, changing it to see what will happen.

    Let’s go back to those computer models on this one. I know they aren’t as great as actually creating new viruses, but, as disruptive as they may be, computer viruses neither kill Granny nor send the kids home from school for a year.

    Living in New England, I am more aware than most of scientists’ mistakes. We have a chronic infestation of tree-killing silkworms, the result of an experiment to create worms that spun stronger silk. The worms escaped! :-)

    It’s like these people have never watched a movie, read a book, or played a video game :) I fully anticipate zombies being the next threat. Lucky for me, I have a husband and three sons who have spent the last 10 years in “training” and doing research.

    What bothers me the most of all the scientists’ irresponsible actions I’ve encountered over the years is the millions of embryos in frozen storage from IVF procedures. At one point GW had a party for a hundred “snowflake babies”: frozen embryos who had been brought to term as babies. These are viable embryos. Lord knows what some Xi-Dr. No like person would do with these human beings. And now what do we do? And it’s a global problem. I’m happy for IVF parents, but at what price?

    Hmmm, well if we’re supposed to be heading for Star Trek, we’ll need a Khan Noonien Singh!

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  25. Annefy Member
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    Boston University has now responded to people’s concerns about the virus project. I don’t understand some of it, but Ricochet readers might be interested in it. This is part of it:

    There’s some friction between the federal government and Boston University researchers after the publication of a new COVID-19 study. . . .

    Researchers were working with this hybrid virus where they took the spike protein of omicron and attached it to the original strain.

    In mice, they found this new fused version killed 80% of mice infected. But that’s lower than the 100% that died of the original strain. So their conclusion is that it’s not the omicron spike protein itself that causes the virus to spread so easily, but other proteins.

    BU researchers say identifying those proteins will help better diagnose and treat COVID.

    I saw that too, and it certainly makes a more sensible story than the original — that people were trying to create a super-strain of this virus.

    However, they’re still playing with what is arguably the most expensive and disruptive virus of the last century. They’re doing things with it, changing it to see what will happen.

    Let’s go back to those computer models on this one. I know they aren’t as great as actually creating new viruses, but, as disruptive as they may be, computer viruses neither kill Granny nor send the kids home from school for a year.

    Living in New England, I am more aware than most of scientists’ mistakes. We have a chronic infestation of tree-killing silkworms, the result of an experiment to create worms that spun stronger silk. The worms escaped! :-)

    It’s like these people have never watched a movie, read a book, or played a video game :) I fully anticipate zombies being the next threat. Lucky for me, I have a husband and three sons who have spent the last 10 years in “training” and doing research.

    What bothers me the most of all the scientists’ irresponsible actions I’ve encountered over the years is the millions of embryos in frozen storage from IVF procedures. At one point GW had a party for a hundred “snowflake babies”: frozen embryos who had been brought to term as babies. These are viable embryos. Lord knows what some Xi-Dr. No like person would do with these human beings. And now what do we do? And it’s a global problem. I’m happy for IVF parents, but at what price?

    I’ve thought for years that our scientific abilities and knowledge were outpacing our ability to deal with the ethics. Not only are our abilities and knowledge accelerating, our “ethics IQ” at a minimum has hit a pause, with some noted reversals.

    As my dear old mother used to say, just because you “can” doesn’t mean you “should”.

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  26. kedavis Coolidge
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    Boston University has now responded to people’s concerns about the virus project. I don’t understand some of it, but Ricochet readers might be interested in it. This is part of it:

     

    I saw that too, and it certainly makes a more sensible story than the original — that people were trying to create a super-strain of this virus.

    However, they’re still playing with what is arguably the most expensive and disruptive virus of the last century. They’re doing things with it, changing it to see what will happen.

    Let’s go back to those computer models on this one. I know they aren’t as great as actually creating new viruses, but, as disruptive as they may be, computer viruses neither kill Granny nor send the kids home from school for a year.

    Living in New England, I am more aware than most of scientists’ mistakes. We have a chronic infestation of tree-killing silkworms, the result of an experiment to create worms that spun stronger silk. The worms escaped! :-)

    It’s like these people have never watched a movie, read a book, or played a video game :) I fully anticipate zombies being the next threat. Lucky for me, I have a husband and three sons who have spent the last 10 years in “training” and doing research.

    What bothers me the most of all the scientists’ irresponsible actions I’ve encountered over the years is the millions of embryos in frozen storage from IVF procedures. At one point GW had a party for a hundred “snowflake babies”: frozen embryos who had been brought to term as babies. These are viable embryos. Lord knows what some Xi-Dr. No like person would do with these human beings. And now what do we do? And it’s a global problem. I’m happy for IVF parents, but at what price?

    I’ve thought for years that our scientific abilities and knowledge were outpacing our ability to deal with the ethics. Not only are our abilities and knowledge accelerating, our “ethics IQ” at a minimum has hit a pause, with some noted reversals.

    As my dear old mother used to say, just because you “can” doesn’t mean you “should”.

    Jon Stewart covered that too, in the previously-mentioned videos.

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  27. BDB Inactive
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    Boston University has now responded to people’s concerns about the virus project. I don’t understand some of it, but Ricochet readers might be interested in it. This is part of it:

    […]

    Researchers were working with this hybrid virus where they took the spike protein of omicron and attached it to the original strain.

    In mice, they found this new fused version killed 80% of mice infected. But that’s lower than the 100% that died of the original strain. So their conclusion is that it’s not the omicron spike protein itself that causes the virus to spread so easily, but other proteins.

    BU researchers say identifying those proteins will help better diagnose and treat COVID.

    I saw that too, and it certainly makes a more sensible story than the original — that people were trying to create a super-strain of this virus.

    However, they’re still playing with what is arguably the most expensive and disruptive virus of the last century. They’re doing things with it, changing it to see what will happen.

    Let’s go back to those computer models on this one. I know they aren’t as great as actually creating new viruses, but, as disruptive as they may be, computer viruses neither kill Granny nor send the kids home from school for a year.

    Living in New England, I am more aware than most of scientists’ mistakes. We have a chronic infestation of tree-killing silkworms, the result of an experiment to create worms that spun stronger silk. The worms escaped! :-)

    It’s like these people have never watched a movie, read a book, or played a video game :) I fully anticipate zombies being the next threat. Lucky for me, I have a husband and three sons who have spent the last 10 years in “training” and doing research.

    What bothers me the most of all the scientists’ irresponsible actions I’ve encountered over the years is the millions of embryos in frozen storage from IVF procedures. At one point GW had a party for a hundred “snowflake babies”: frozen embryos who had been brought to term as babies. These are viable embryos. Lord knows what some Xi-Dr. No like person would do with these human beings. And now what do we do? And it’s a global problem. I’m happy for IVF parents, but at what price?

    I’ve thought for years that our scientific abilities and knowledge were outpacing our ability to deal with the ethics. Not only are our abilities and knowledge accelerating, our “ethics IQ” at a minimum has hit a pause, with some noted reversals.

    As my dear old mother used to say, just because you “can” doesn’t mean you “should”.

    Huge topic in a lot of better sci-fi as well.

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