Did the Police-State Dems Finally Jump the Shark with Their ridiculous Trump Raid?

 

With their unconscionable raid on Trump’s home at Mar-a-Lago, the Totalitarian Police-State Democrats have put front and center the question “Do we want America to be a Police State?” It is now the number one issue for the upcoming midterm elections and perhaps for every election from here on out; that is, if we are still allowed free elections.

Forget about Roe v. Wade. Forget that there may be many an empty shelf come November with huge job losses and gut-wrenching high inflation. None of that matters when you live under a dictatorship, and the Democrats with their Mar-a-Lago raid have made it very clear they want to turn America into a dictatorship.

Every Democrat now will have to answer for this raid and answer the question, “are you trying to install a dictatorship here in America,”  and variants like, “are you trying to enslave me in your Police State?”

There will be no hiding from these questions. That is what this raid did. It left no doubt what the intentions are for the Democrats. This raid literally proved David Horowitz’s quote, “Inside every Progressive is a  Totalitarian screaming to get out.”

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  1. Addiction Is A Choice Member
    Addiction Is A Choice
    @AddictionIsAChoice

    Trump exposed them as the bankrupt frauds they are.  Now the State wants to take him out …. Not the Deep State, the State!

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  2. Dr. Bastiat Member
    Dr. Bastiat
    @drbastiat

    Unsk: have put front and center the question “Do we want America to be a Police State” as the number One issue for the upcoming mid-term elections and perhaps for every election from here on out

    To me, this has made bipartisanship and compromise essentially impossible.  For the foreseeable future.

    How do we negotiate with one another, if we all know that only one point of view is permitted?

    If Biden were to immediately condemn the raid and pardon Trump from whatever he might be accused of eventually, that might help put this genie back in the bottle.  But there’s no way that’s going to happen, obviously.

    It will be very difficult for us to return to a functioning democracy after this, I think.

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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Remember when Trump got impeached because he dared ask questions about his likely opponent’s corrupt dealings in Ukraine? How dare you investigate the man who will probably be the Democrat Candidate!? the Swamp cried. This, they determined, was simply not done. It smacked of trying to take down an opponent before facing him at the ballot box. So they impeached Trump for it.

    Well, . . . that’s what’s happening now. The regime attempts (yet again, and quite blatantly) to take down the man who very well could be the 2024 GOP candidate. And the Swamp? The Swamp nods approvingly.

    I mean, of course they do. They admitted that’s the purpose of the fraudulent Jan.6 Committee already.

    . . .

    Sometimes you find good stuff at Newsweek.

    FBI’s Mar-a-Lago Raid Presents a Time for Choosing: The Regime, or America

    Having suffered what it perceived to be a near-death experience in the election of Donald Trump, The Regime must now show that anyone and everyone from the lowliest of non-violent January 6-ers held in pretrial detention to Trump himself can, and will, be crushed if they dare to not submit.

    Those celebrating the Mar-a-Lago raid are condoning the very authoritarian behavior they claim to decry.

    They are cheering on the transformation of America into something beneath a banana republic, into something even more demoralizing and devastating: the greatest nation in the history of mankind being reduced to a decaying and decadent dictatorship of the Woketariat.

    We find ourselves in a dire circumstance in which our every critical institution is being, or has been turned, against itself, and trained on the very public it was supposed to serve.

    The raid of the estate of a president by a lawless security apparatus on behalf of his successor represents the crossing of a civilizational Rubicon.

    This is a time for choosing far starker and more precarious than the last time the phrase was used, because we have for so long chosen wrong.

    Today, the choice is this: You either stand with our totalitarian regime, or you stand with the Americans it seeks to bring to heel.

    Those who are silent will be complicit in the horrors to which our nation will be subjected.

    Pay close attention to which direction the GOP Swamp-dwellers jump. If they side with the regime, they must all be removed from office ASAP. If they side with the former President, then we can give them a pass . . . for now.

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  4. GrannyDude Member
    GrannyDude
    @GrannyDude

    This cheered me up, in addition to the thought that the FBI raid is a panic move, one likely to backfire.

    Remember that creepy little story that one of Obama’s minions told, about riding in a limo with the then-president after Trump’s election? I can’t find it by googling, but Obama said something like: “Maybe America wasn’t ready for me yet.” 

    I’m thinking he was right. That is, that the left, with Obama as point man, picked the wrong moment to pull the trigger and go full-woke.   

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  5. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
    Douglas Pratt
    @DouglasPratt

    January 6 was supposed to be the Reichstag Fire. The possibility that it was a false flag operation is not really important; the Democrats did their best to elevate it into the kind of national emergency that is their main way of getting and holding power. They overplayed it to anyone who was paying attention, who would compare it with burning down Minneapolis or any of the other mostly-peaceful riots we had just experienced. Still, that’s a relatively small audience.

    This time they’ve picked the wrong hornet nest to use as a pinata. More and more people who have been ignoring the shenanigans up to now are going to notice this one. Then they will notice the weaponization of the IRS, a department that is universally feared and hated, that no one believes is capable of being fair and unbiased, and that is now going to triple in size. All those bored investigators are going to want to look good to their bosses by auditing lots of folks and finding lots of mistakes. The ghost of Lois Lerner will loom large. 

     

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  6. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Hey, what evidence do you suppose the FBI will plant in the process of scooping up all these supposedly classified documents that Hillary somehow didn’t destroy?

    Drugs? Kiddie porn? Some diary entry where Trump claims to have organized the Jan. 6th riot?

     

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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

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  8. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Remember when Trump got impeached because he dared ask questions about his likely opponent’s corrupt dealings in Ukraine? How dare you investigate the man who will probably be the Democrat Candidate!? the Swamp cried. This, they determined, was simply not done. It smacked of trying to take down an opponent before facing him at the ballot box. So they impeached Trump for it.

    Well, . . . that’s what’s happening now. The regime attempts (yet again, and quite blatantly) to take down the man who very well could be the 2024 GOP candidate. And the Swamp? The Swamp nods approvingly.

    I mean, of course they do. They admitted that’s the purpose of the fraudulent Jan.6 Committee already.

    . . .

    Sometimes you find good stuff at Newsweek.

    FBI’s Mar-a-Lago Raid Presents a Time for Choosing: The Regime, or America

    Having suffered what it perceived to be a near-death experience in the election of Donald Trump, The Regime must now show that anyone and everyone from the lowliest of non-violent January 6-ers held in pretrial detention to Trump himself can, and will, be crushed if they dare to not submit.

    Those celebrating the Mar-a-Lago raid are condoning the very authoritarian behavior they claim to decry.

    They are cheering on the transformation of America into something beneath a banana republic, into something even more demoralizing and devastating: the greatest nation in the history of mankind being reduced to a decaying and decadent dictatorship of the Woketariat.

    We find ourselves in a dire circumstance in which our every critical institution is being, or has been turned, against itself, and trained on the very public it was supposed to serve.

    The raid of the estate of a president by a lawless security apparatus on behalf of his successor represents the crossing of a civilizational Rubicon.

    This is a time for choosing far starker and more precarious than the last time the phrase was used, because we have for so long chosen wrong.

    Today, the choice is this: You either stand with our totalitarian regime, or you stand with the Americans it seeks to bring to heel.

    Those who are silent will be complicit in the horrors to which our nation will be subjected.

    Pay close attention to which direction the GOP Swamp-dwellers jump. If they side with the regime, they must all be removed from office ASAP. If they side with the former President, then we can give them a pass . . . for now.

    This was in Newsweek?

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Remember when Trump got impeached because he dared ask questions about his likely opponent’s corrupt dealings in Ukraine? How dare you investigate the man who will probably be the Democrat Candidate!? the Swamp cried. This, they determined, was simply not done. It smacked of trying to take down an opponent before facing him at the ballot box. So they impeached Trump for it.

    Well, . . . that’s what’s happening now. The regime attempts (yet again, and quite blatantly) to take down the man who very well could be the 2024 GOP candidate. And the Swamp? The Swamp nods approvingly.

    I mean, of course they do. They admitted that’s the purpose of the fraudulent Jan.6 Committee already.

    . . .

    Sometimes you find good stuff at Newsweek.

    FBI’s Mar-a-Lago Raid Presents a Time for Choosing: The Regime, or America

    Having suffered what it perceived to be a near-death experience in the election of Donald Trump, The Regime must now show that anyone and everyone from the lowliest of non-violent January 6-ers held in pretrial detention to Trump himself can, and will, be crushed if they dare to not submit.

    Those celebrating the Mar-a-Lago raid are condoning the very authoritarian behavior they claim to decry.

    They are cheering on the transformation of America into something beneath a banana republic, into something even more demoralizing and devastating: the greatest nation in the history of mankind being reduced to a decaying and decadent dictatorship of the Woketariat.

    We find ourselves in a dire circumstance in which our every critical institution is being, or has been turned, against itself, and trained on the very public it was supposed to serve.

    The raid of the estate of a president by a lawless security apparatus on behalf of his successor represents the crossing of a civilizational Rubicon.

    This is a time for choosing far starker and more precarious than the last time the phrase was used, because we have for so long chosen wrong.

    Today, the choice is this: You either stand with our totalitarian regime, or you stand with the Americans it seeks to bring to heel.

    Those who are silent will be complicit in the horrors to which our nation will be subjected.

    Pay close attention to which direction the GOP Swamp-dwellers jump. If they side with the regime, they must all be removed from office ASAP. If they side with the former President, then we can give them a pass . . . for now.

    This was in Newsweek?

    Newsweek frequently has some good conservative opinion columns. I mean, actual conservatives, not fake conservatives like Peggy Noonan.

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  10. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Remember when Trump got impeached because he dared ask questions about his likely opponent’s corrupt dealings in Ukraine? How dare you investigate the man who will probably be the Democrat Candidate!? the Swamp cried. This, they determined, was simply not done. It smacked of trying to take down an opponent before facing him at the ballot box. So they impeached Trump for it.

    Well, . . . that’s what’s happening now. The regime attempts (yet again, and quite blatantly) to take down the man who very well could be the 2024 GOP candidate. And the Swamp? The Swamp nods approvingly.

    I mean, of course they do. They admitted that’s the purpose of the fraudulent Jan.6 Committee already.

    . . .

    Sometimes you find good stuff at Newsweek.

    FBI’s Mar-a-Lago Raid Presents a Time for Choosing: The Regime, or America

    Having suffered what it perceived to be a near-death experience in the election of Donald Trump, The Regime must now show that anyone and everyone from the lowliest of non-violent January 6-ers held in pretrial detention to Trump himself can, and will, be crushed if they dare to not submit.

    Those celebrating the Mar-a-Lago raid are condoning the very authoritarian behavior they claim to decry.

    They are cheering on the transformation of America into something beneath a banana republic, into something even more demoralizing and devastating: the greatest nation in the history of mankind being reduced to a decaying and decadent dictatorship of the Woketariat.

    We find ourselves in a dire circumstance in which our every critical institution is being, or has been turned, against itself, and trained on the very public it was supposed to serve.

    The raid of the estate of a president by a lawless security apparatus on behalf of his successor represents the crossing of a civilizational Rubicon.

    This is a time for choosing far starker and more precarious than the last time the phrase was used, because we have for so long chosen wrong.

    Today, the choice is this: You either stand with our totalitarian regime, or you stand with the Americans it seeks to bring to heel.

    Those who are silent will be complicit in the horrors to which our nation will be subjected.

    Pay close attention to which direction the GOP Swamp-dwellers jump. If they side with the regime, they must all be removed from office ASAP. If they side with the former President, then we can give them a pass . . . for now.

    This was in Newsweek?

    Newsweek frequently has some good conservative opinion columns. I mean, actual conservatives, not fake conservatives like Peggy Noonan.

    I gave up on them so I would not know. 

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  11. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    This was in Newsweek?

    Newsweek frequently has some good conservative opinion columns. I mean, actual conservatives, not fake conservatives like Peggy Noonan.

    I gave up on them so I would not know.

    I mean, I don’t read them regularly, but occasionally people will link to these columns, and I, too, am surprised to find them in Newsweek.

    Josh Hammer is one of the opinion editors there, and he’s good.

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  12. GrannyDude Member
    GrannyDude
    @GrannyDude

    Does it seem odd to anyone else that the White House is claiming that the president didn’t know about the raid?

    Also:

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Hey, what evidence do you suppose the FBI will plant in the process of scooping up all these supposedly classified documents that Hillary somehow didn’t destroy?

    Drugs? Kiddie porn? Some diary entry where Trump claims to have organized the Jan. 6th riot?

     

    They’d have a tough time thinking of something that would seem Really Really Really Bad…and yet not be subject to Whataboutism.

     

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  13. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    @drbastiat

    GrannyDude (View Comment):
    Does it seem odd to anyone else that the White House is claiming that the president didn’t know about the raid?

    I suppose that’s possible.

    But I can’t imagine that FBI leadership would do something like this without approval from the President.  Just in case things go sideways, they’ll want their careers protected.  Life-long bureaucrats are not the sort to stick their neck out.

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  14. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
    Douglas Pratt
    @DouglasPratt

    Next comes the leak of the Trump donor list to the Internet. 

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  15. Full Size Tabby Member
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    @FullSizeTabby

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Does it seem odd to anyone else that the White House is claiming that the president didn’t know about the raid?

    Also:

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Hey, what evidence do you suppose the FBI will plant in the process of scooping up all these supposedly classified documents that Hillary somehow didn’t destroy?

    Drugs? Kiddie porn? Some diary entry where Trump claims to have organized the Jan. 6th riot?

     

    They’d have a tough time thinking of something that would seem Really Really Really Bad…and yet not be subject to Whataboutism.

     

    Yes, it seems really odd to me. Since I can’t imagine the FBI doing this without involving the highest authority in the executive branch, if Biden wasn’t involved, someone else is the real authority in the Biden Administration. 

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  16. Unsk Member
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    @Unsk

    Drew : Hey, what evidence do you suppose the FBI will plant in the process of scooping up all these supposedly classified documents that Hillary somehow didn’t destroy?

    I think we would heard about it already if they had found anything.  Many Dems were allegedly “Euphoric” about finding stuff in this raid and ready to pounce on any little trifle of evidence, but so far crickets. There are reports the FBI found a safe but it was empty.  I also think any FBI agent on this raid should know if they things went south they will be on the chopping block so they likely didn’t want to plant evidence.   Now even Mario Cuomo is questioning the FBI  about this raid.

    To second Bryan, did that really come from Newsweek? Wow!

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  17. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Unsk (View Comment):
    I think we would heard about it already if they had found anything.  Many Dems were allegedly “Euphoric” about finding stuff in this raid and ready to pounce on any little trifle of evidence, but so far crickets.

    It’s only been about 18 hours. Give it time.

    Now even Mario Cuomo is questioning the FBI about this raid.

    Andrew Cuomo, but yeah.

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  18. LibertyDefender Member
    LibertyDefender
    @LibertyDefender

    Unsk: The Totalitarian Police State Democrats with their unconscionable raid on Trump’s home at Mar-a-Lago have put front and center the question “Do we want America to be a Police State” as the number One issue for the upcoming mid-term elections and perhaps for every election from here on out

    Welcome to the party, pal.  We have been a police state since before the start of operation Crossfire Hurricane in late July, 2016.  And let’s be clear: the police state that is the United States of America is the fully integrated combination of

    • The entire federal government, from top to bottom, including especially intelligence agencies;
    • The Democrat Party; and
    • All major media including corporate and social media.

    To take just one example, the Russia Collusion Hoax was conceived and commissioned by the Hillary for President campaign.  At the time, the Democrat National Committee was underwritten by the Hillary Clinton campaign, since the DNC had spent all of its money rigging the primaries to keep out Bernie Sanders. 

    For those keeping score, that’s Hillary and the DNC fully integrated. 

    Through her lawyer Marc Elias of Perkins Coie, Hillary/DNC hired Mainstream Media alumnus Glenn Simpson’s Fusion GPS, who hired CIA asset and retired MI-6 officer Christopher Steele, who – through the Brookings Institute’s Igor Danchenko, fabricated the always-unverifiable Steele “Dossier” that was shopped to several MSM outlets.

    At this point, we have the MSM fully integrated with Hillary/DNC.

    National Intelligence Director James Clapper instructed FBI Director James Comey to brief only President-elect Donald Trump – without advisors – regarding the unverifiable Steele “dossier.”  Comey dutifully complied, but limited his briefing to the “pee tape” allegation included in the Steele dossier.

    All of this is in the public record, which shows that at this recorded point in history, the highest levels of the federal government – including the FBI and intelligence agencies – are acting in concert with the Democrat Party and all major and social media, to overthrow the duly elected President of the United States.

    Not a single bad actor has been prosecuted, with the lone exception of Kevin Clinesmith who was given 1 year of probation for pleading guilty to felony evidence tampering.  His law license has since been restored.

    We live in a police state.

    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):
    January 6 was supposed to be the Reichstag Fire. The possibility that it was a false flag operation is not really important; the Democrats did their best to elevate it into the kind of national emergency that is their main way of getting and holding power.

    Ricochet.com joined the propaganda.  I’ve not seen a retraction. Or an apology.

    We live in a police state.  They are everywhere.

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  19. Fritz Coolidge
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    @Fritz

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Does it seem odd to anyone else that the White House is claiming that the president didn’t know about the raid?

    Also:

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Hey, what evidence do you suppose the FBI will plant in the process of scooping up all these supposedly classified documents that Hillary somehow didn’t destroy?

    Drugs? Kiddie porn? Some diary entry where Trump claims to have organized the Jan. 6th riot?

     

    They’d have a tough time thinking of something that would seem Really Really Really Bad…and yet not be subject to Whataboutism.

     

    Yes, it seems really odd to me. Since I can’t imagine the FBI doing this without involving the highest authority in the executive branch, if Biden wasn’t involved, someone else is the real authority in the Biden Administration.

    Imaginary convo somewhere in the West Wing.

    Biden to Garland: “Will no one rid me of this troublesome Trump?”

    Garland: “Yessir. Will report back.”

    [in the hall as Garland leaves]

    Biden handler: “No! Don’t report, just do what you and Wray do. We have your back.”

     

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  20. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    We live in a police state.

    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):
    January 6 was supposed to be the Reichstag Fire. The possibility that it was a false flag operation is not really important; the Democrats did their best to elevate it into the kind of national emergency that is their main way of getting and holding power.

    Ricochet.com joined the propaganda.  I’ve not seen a retraction. Or an apology.

    We live in a police state.  They are everywhere.

    Reichstag Fire with dual purpose:

    1) Condemn political opponents and make them politically untouchables.

    2) Initiate police state, beginning with Inauguration of The Most Popular President Ever ™ where people were prevented from showing up to celebrate the biggest vote numbers Ever, which would have further underscored the claims of fraud from the Untouchables.

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  21. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    @DonG

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    This was in Newsweek?

    Newsweek frequently has some good conservative opinion columns. I mean, actual conservatives, not fake conservatives like Peggy Noonan.

    Josh Hammer is the new opinion editor.  He is a straight-shooter and knows what time it is.

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  22. EODmom Coolidge
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    @EODmom

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):

    Unsk: The Totalitarian Police State Democrats with their unconscionable raid on Trump’s home at Mar-a-Lago have put front and center the question “Do we want America to be a Police State” as the number One issue for the upcoming mid-term elections and perhaps for every election from here on out

    Welcome to the party, pal. We have been a police state since before the start of operation Crossfire Hurricane in late July, 2016. And let’s be clear: the police state that is the United States of America is the fully integrated combination of

    • The entire federal government, from top to bottom, including especially intelligence agencies;
    • The Democrat Party; and
    • All major media including corporate and social media.

    The totalitarian/police state never quits. It never gives up. It must be defeated. Until the next upstart starts to grow. Like crabgrass, it’s much easier to eliminate when it’s just one shoot.  But no one believes it will get worse. It’s also hard to accept that evil is real and present in one’s life. @grannydude, I expect it sometimes seems to you that some of your fellow clergy act as if they think they are in a play; that any talk about Satan is sort of academic. Evil is real. It has a good head start right now. 

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  23. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
    Douglas Pratt
    @DouglasPratt

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    This was in Newsweek?

    Newsweek frequently has some good conservative opinion columns. I mean, actual conservatives, not fake conservatives like Peggy Noonan.

    Josh Hammer is the new opinion editor. He is a straight-shooter and knows what time it is.

    I wouldn’t bet on his job security.

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  24. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    This was in Newsweek?

    Newsweek frequently has some good conservative opinion columns. I mean, actual conservatives, not fake conservatives like Peggy Noonan.

    Josh Hammer is the new opinion editor. He is a straight-shooter and knows what time it is.

    I wouldn’t bet on his job security.

    I mean, . . . most people have probably forgotten that Newsweek still exists.

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  25. Justin Other Lawyer Coolidge
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    @DouglasMyers

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    GrannyDude (View Comment):
    Does it seem odd to anyone else that the White House is claiming that the president didn’t know about the raid?

    I suppose that’s possible.

    But I can’t imagine that FBI leadership would do something like this without approval from the President. Just in case things go sideways, they’ll want their careers protected. Life-long bureaucrats are not the sort to stick their neck out.

    Yes.  Someone made the call, and you can be sure it wasn’t a regional bureau chief.  As John Podhoretz said on the Commentary Podcast, if Biden wasn’t told, then why hasn’t Garland been fired.  And if Garland wasn’t told, then why hasn’t Wray been fired?  Etc., etc.  

    I think it’s almost a certainty that Garland gave the go-ahead and either Biden signed off (and forgets) or that someone in the White House made it clear that they wanted kept out of the loop.  That still seems inexcusable in a circumstance like this that involves a dangerous precedent for future administrations (can you say Pres. DeSantis green-lighting a search of Biden residences in 2025?).  President Biden (if he had any ability to run the White House) would be out in front of this and cleaning house if he actually had not been told of the intentions of DOJ.

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  26. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Justin Other Lawyer (View Comment):
    As John Podhoretz said on the Commentary Podcast, if Biden wasn’t told, then why hasn’t Garland been fired.  And if Garland wasn’t told, then why hasn’t Wray been fired?

    I assume J-Pod is not that naïve.

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  27. Justin Other Lawyer Coolidge
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    @DouglasMyers

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Justin Other Lawyer (View Comment):
    As John Podhoretz said on the Commentary Podcast, if Biden wasn’t told, then why hasn’t Garland been fired. And if Garland wasn’t told, then why hasn’t Wray been fired?

    I assume J-Pod is not that naïve.

    Agreed.  Podhoretz was speaking that way rhetorically.  I think he assumes either Biden knew and is lying (or is completely non compos mentis) or that he left it up to Garland so that Biden could say the DOJ has independence to work.  That’s politically fool-hearty for Biden to do that, in my opinion, but who knows how this will play out.

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  28. GrannyDude Member
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    @GrannyDude

    Justin Other Lawyer (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    GrannyDude (View Comment):
    Does it seem odd to anyone else that the White House is claiming that the president didn’t know about the raid?

    I suppose that’s possible.

    But I can’t imagine that FBI leadership would do something like this without approval from the President. Just in case things go sideways, they’ll want their careers protected. Life-long bureaucrats are not the sort to stick their neck out.

    Yes. Someone made the call, and you can be sure it wasn’t a regional bureau chief. As John Podhoretz said on the Commentary Podcast, if Biden wasn’t told, then why hasn’t Garland been fired. And if Garland wasn’t told, then why hasn’t Wray been fired? Etc., etc.

    I think it’s almost a certainty that Garland gave the go-ahead and either Biden signed off (and forgets) or that someone in the White House made it clear that they wanted kept out of the loop. That still seems inexcusable in a circumstance like this that involves a dangerous precedent for future administrations (can you say Pres. DeSantis green-lighting a search of Biden residences in 2025?). President Biden (if he had any ability to run the White House) would be out in front of this and cleaning house if he actually had not been told of the intentions of DOJ.

    Next question: Why would the White House want people to think that the president didn’t know?

    That seems even sketchier, to me. If the White House isn’t in charge…who is?

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  29. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Next question: Why would the White House want people to think that the president didn’t know?

    That seems even sketchier, to me. If the White House isn’t in charge…who is?

    Right. If they say he didn’t know in order to protect him, they’ve inadvertently admitted he’s not in charge.

    Except he is in charge. This is an executive department and the buck stops with him. So ultimately, he must take the fall.

    I’m guessing they’re already searching for a low-level fall guy to throw under the bus.

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  30. Justin Other Lawyer Coolidge
    Justin Other Lawyer
    @DouglasMyers

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

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    GrannyDude (View Comment):
    Does it seem odd to anyone else that the White House is claiming that the president didn’t know about the raid?

    I suppose that’s possible.

    But I can’t imagine that FBI leadership would do something like this without approval from the President. Just in case things go sideways, they’ll want their careers protected. Life-long bureaucrats are not the sort to stick their neck out.

    Yes. Someone made the call, and you can be sure it wasn’t a regional bureau chief. As John Podhoretz said on the Commentary Podcast, if Biden wasn’t told, then why hasn’t Garland been fired. And if Garland wasn’t told, then why hasn’t Wray been fired? Etc., etc.

    I think it’s almost a certainty that Garland gave the go-ahead and either Biden signed off (and forgets) or that someone in the White House made it clear that they wanted kept out of the loop. That still seems inexcusable in a circumstance like this that involves a dangerous precedent for future administrations (can you say Pres. DeSantis green-lighting a search of Biden residences in 2025?). President Biden (if he had any ability to run the White House) would be out in front of this and cleaning house if he actually had not been told of the intentions of DOJ.

    Next question: Why would the White House want people to think that the president didn’t know?

    That seems even sketchier, to me. If the White House isn’t in charge…who is?

    One of the criticisms often leveled from the left (wrongly, I believe) is that the AG and DOJ are mere tools of the president, doing his political bidding.  I suspect the White House thought it looked less political if Biden’s nose was clean here.  I also suspect that strategy will backfire, only adding to the correct judgment that Biden is not the man in charge.

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