Trump’s Mar-A-Lago Home Raided by FBI

 

Via Fox News.

Former President Trump on Monday said that his Mar-a-Lago home in Florida is “under siege” by a “large group” of FBI agents.

“Nothing like this has ever happened to a President of the United States before. After working and cooperating with the relevant Government agencies, this unannounced raid on my home was not necessary or appropriate,” Trump said. “It is prosecutorial misconduct, the weaponization of the Justice System, and an attack by Radical Left Democrats who desperately don’t want me to run for President in 2024, especially based on recent polls, and who will likewise do anything to stop Republicans and Conservatives in the upcoming Midterm Elections.”

“Such an assault could only take place in broken, Third-World Countries. Sadly, America has now become one of those Countries, corrupt at a level not seen before,” Trump said, alleging that the FBI agents broke into his safe.

“What is the difference between this and Watergate, where operatives broke into the Democrat National Committee?” he said. “Here, in reverse, Democrats broke into the home of the 45th President of the United States.”

Multiple sources tell Fox News the FBI’s raid of Mar-a-Lago is related to the materials Trump allegedly brought to his private residence after his presidency concluded. That matter was referred to the Justice Department by the National Archives and Records Administration, which said it found classified material in 15 boxes at the residence.

Per the CNN article, he was not home at the time.

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  1. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    I remember when Hillary claimed she didn’t know that the classified markings on her classified documents meant that they were classified. She wants us to believe she’s just too dumb.

    “Too drunk” is certainly a possibility, but she is a clever, evil snake.

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  2. Raxxalan Member
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    Franco (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    Sadly, if you look at what they are doing and saying through the lens of perhaps they are trying to provoke a civil war, it all makes perfect sense.

    They aren’t looking for a civil war. They want to promote an insurrection that they can crush quickly and use to disqualify people from seeking office, as an excuse to disarm the population, and maybe even for removing people already in office. They might get a civil war, but that isn’t their intention.

    Pretty much what I’m saying anyway. Provoking an “insurrection” is what, just a civil battle? Which may lead to more provocation of the next layer of fed-up people who then act. Another battle. Enough battles and you have a war.

    Disarming the population sounds pretty “warlike” to me.

     

    I think your assessment of the outcome is correct.  I am just saying that they don’t want the actual war part that would be their plan backfiring.  They want something small and contained that they can spin into a pretext to crack down.   I doubt the idea that it could spin out of control even crossed their minds.  I am sure they will be shocked when it actually happens.

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  3. Raxxalan Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I think it’s desperation.

    I think it’s coldly calculated evil.

    I know, Drew. And some folk on the other side see only fascism and hate. I think the real explanations are usually less exciting, and less satisfying.

    If you are right they all need to be fired.  Not understanding that this is an explosive escalation is being criminally incompetent.

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  4. Bishop Wash Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    I remember when Hillary claimed she didn’t know that the classified markings on her classified documents meant that they were classified. She wants us to believe she’s just too dumb.

    “Too drunk” is certainly a possibility, but she is a clever, evil snake.

    You mean (C) doesn’t mean copyright? 

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  5. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    I remember when Hillary claimed she didn’t know that the classified markings on her classified documents meant that they were classified. She wants us to believe she’s just too dumb.

    “Too drunk” is certainly a possibility, but she is a clever, evil snake.

    You mean (C) doesn’t mean copyright?

    Yeah, that. Hilarious.

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  6. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I think it’s desperation.

    I think it’s coldly calculated evil.

    I know, Drew. And some folk on the other side see only fascism and hate. I think the real explanations are usually less exciting, and less satisfying.

    I think we underestimate them and we also give them an excuse by suggesting it’s all stupidity or incompetence.

    I could blame stupidity or incompetence for maybe one or two instances.

    Now that we’re into dozens and dozens of such instances, . . . evil and corrupt is the only explanation.

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  7. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I think it’s desperation.

    I think it’s coldly calculated evil.

    Why not both?

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  8. Henry Racette Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I think it’s desperation.

    I think it’s coldly calculated evil.

    I know, Drew. And some folk on the other side see only fascism and hate. I think the real explanations are usually less exciting, and less satisfying.

    I think we underestimate them and we also give them an excuse by suggesting it’s all stupidity or incompetence.

    I could blame stupidity or incompetence for maybe one or two instances.

    Now that we’re into dozens and dozens of such instances, . . . evil and corrupt is the only explanation.

    There’s a lot of ground between “coldly calculated evil” and “stupidity and incompetence.” There’s greed, pride, foolishness, ignorance, lust, and a bunch of other very human failings that lead to outcomes worse than people intend or expect.

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  9. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I think it’s desperation.

    I think it’s coldly calculated evil.

    I know, Drew. And some folk on the other side see only fascism and hate. I think the real explanations are usually less exciting, and less satisfying.

    If you are right they all need to be fired. Not understanding that this is an explosive escalation is being criminally incompetent.

    Typical of people like this. See France, in the late 18th Century

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  10. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I think it’s desperation.

    I think it’s coldly calculated evil.

    I know, Drew. And some folk on the other side see only fascism and hate. I think the real explanations are usually less exciting, and less satisfying.

    I think we underestimate them and we also give them an excuse by suggesting it’s all stupidity or incompetence.

    I could blame stupidity or incompetence for maybe one or two instances.

    Now that we’re into dozens and dozens of such instances, . . . evil and corrupt is the only explanation.

    There’s a lot of ground between “coldly calculated evil” and “stupidity and incompetence.” There’s greed, pride, foolishness, ignorance, lust, and a bunch of other very human failings that lead to outcomes worse than people intend or expect.

    Yeah, so I guess what I’m saying is, “this is all intentional.” They are not making mistakes here. This is not an “oops we screwed up and now we need to find excuses to cover up our mess.” Things are proceeding exactly as they have planned.

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  11. Hoyacon Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I think it’s desperation.

    I think it’s coldly calculated evil.

    I know, Drew. And some folk on the other side see only fascism and hate. I think the real explanations are usually less exciting, and less satisfying.

    I think we underestimate them and we also give them an excuse by suggesting it’s all stupidity or incompetence.

    I could blame stupidity or incompetence for maybe one or two instances.

    Now that we’re into dozens and dozens of such instances, . . . evil and corrupt is the only explanation.

    I’m going with a mix, to include arrogance, laziness, stupidity, and corruption.  If anyone at the FBI thought that they could get into an ex-President’s home without a microscope being placed on the entire process around the warrant, they may be corrupt, but they are also stupid.

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  12. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I think it’s desperation.

    I think it’s coldly calculated evil.

    I know, Drew. And some folk on the other side see only fascism and hate. I think the real explanations are usually less exciting, and less satisfying.

    I think we underestimate them and we also give them an excuse by suggesting it’s all stupidity or incompetence.

    I could blame stupidity or incompetence for maybe one or two instances.

    Now that we’re into dozens and dozens of such instances, . . . evil and corrupt is the only explanation.

    I’m going with a mix, to include arrogance, laziness, stupidity, and corruption. If anyone at the FBI thought that they could get into an ex-President’s home without a microscope being placed on the entire process around the warrant, they may be corrupt, but they are also stupid.

    Right? Except I’m saying that that was all factored in. So they’re not stupid. It was part of the calculation.

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  13. Columbo Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I think it’s desperation.

    I think it’s coldly calculated evil.

    I know, Drew. And some folk on the other side see only fascism and hate. I think the real explanations are usually less exciting, and less satisfying.

    I think we underestimate them and we also give them an excuse by suggesting it’s all stupidity or incompetence.

    I could blame stupidity or incompetence for maybe one or two instances.

    Now that we’re into dozens and dozens of such instances, . . . evil and corrupt is the only explanation.

    I’m going with a mix, to include arrogance, laziness, stupidity, and corruption. If anyone at the FBI thought that they could get into an ex-President’s home without a microscope being placed on the entire process around the warrant, they may be corrupt, but they are also stupid.

    Right? Except I’m saying that that was all factored in. So they’re not stupid. It was part of the calculation.

    They know and expect their lickspittle hacks in the media to provide cover for them.

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  14. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    I’m going with a mix, to include arrogance, laziness, stupidity, and corruption. If anyone at the FBI thought that they could get into an ex-President’s home without a microscope being placed on the entire process around the warrant, they may be corrupt, but they are also stupid.

    Or it’s “We can do whatever we want, and there are no consequences.”

     

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  15. Hoyacon Member
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    I’m going with a mix, to include arrogance, laziness, stupidity, and corruption. If anyone at the FBI thought that they could get into an ex-President’s home without a microscope being placed on the entire process around the warrant, they may be corrupt, but they are also stupid.

    Or it’s “We can do whatever we want, and there are no consequences.”

     

    Sure.  I’d put that under the category of stupid ( and arrogant) too, if they can’t tell the difference between “no consequences” for some schmuck and no consequences for an ex- POTUS.

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  16. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    I’m going with a mix, to include arrogance, laziness, stupidity, and corruption. If anyone at the FBI thought that they could get into an ex-President’s home without a microscope being placed on the entire process around the warrant, they may be corrupt, but they are also stupid.

    Or it’s “We can do whatever we want, and there are no consequences.”

     

    Sure. I’d put that under the category of stupid ( and arrogant) too, if they can’t tell the difference between “no consequences” for some schmuck and no consequences for an ex- POTUS.

    Well, we will see if there are any consequences. I know where I’d bet that proposition.

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  17. Hoyacon Member
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    I’m going with a mix, to include arrogance, laziness, stupidity, and corruption. If anyone at the FBI thought that they could get into an ex-President’s home without a microscope being placed on the entire process around the warrant, they may be corrupt, but they are also stupid.

    Or it’s “We can do whatever we want, and there are no consequences.”

     

    Sure. I’d put that under the category of stupid ( and arrogant) too, if they can’t tell the difference between “no consequences” for some schmuck and no consequences for an ex- POTUS.

    Well, we will see if there are any consequences. I know where I’d bet that proposition.

     Real consequences will depend on what kind of case they have, but I’d say there are already consequences.  Even some libs are questioning the whole thing and the it’s given some real meat to the selective prosecution thing.

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  18. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    I’m going with a mix, to include arrogance, laziness, stupidity, and corruption. If anyone at the FBI thought that they could get into an ex-President’s home without a microscope being placed on the entire process around the warrant, they may be corrupt, but they are also stupid.

    Or it’s “We can do whatever we want, and there are no consequences.”

    Yes. That’s it exactly. Rubbing our faces in it again. “We’re untouchable and we’re going to let you know it.”

    Humiliation is the point.

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  19. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    I’m going with a mix, to include arrogance, laziness, stupidity, and corruption. If anyone at the FBI thought that they could get into an ex-President’s home without a microscope being placed on the entire process around the warrant, they may be corrupt, but they are also stupid.

    Or it’s “We can do whatever we want, and there are no consequences.”

     

    History has certainly shown that to be true.

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  20. Raxxalan Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I think it’s desperation.

    I think it’s coldly calculated evil.

    I know, Drew. And some folk on the other side see only fascism and hate. I think the real explanations are usually less exciting, and less satisfying.

    I think we underestimate them and we also give them an excuse by suggesting it’s all stupidity or incompetence.

    I could blame stupidity or incompetence for maybe one or two instances.

    Now that we’re into dozens and dozens of such instances, . . . evil and corrupt is the only explanation.

    I’m going with a mix, to include arrogance, laziness, stupidity, and corruption. If anyone at the FBI thought that they could get into an ex-President’s home without a microscope being placed on the entire process around the warrant, they may be corrupt, but they are also stupid.

    Right? Except I’m saying that that was all factored in. So they’re not stupid. It was part of the calculation.

    I somewhat disagree with you there.  I do think it was intentional and that it was done for “bad” if not “evil” reasons.  I don’t know if the reaction was completely part of the calculation, although it may be.   The reason I say this is because the left in general and this batch in particular have an incredibly hard time with second order thinking,  so I can believe that they did this as a PR move to shore up and excite their base and maybe hoped to get something to charge Trump with and didn’t count on the backlash coming their way.

    I am not necessarily discounting that it was intentional.  It wouldn’t surprise me at all if we learn that they didn’t anticipate the backlash.  Tactically I guess we have to assume they did it intentionally and understood the ramifications of their actions, but incompetence and posturing for their base could just as easily explain what they are doing.

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  21. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    I am not necessarily discounting that it was intentional. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if we learn that they didn’t anticipate the backlash. Tactically I guess we have to assume they did it intentionally and understood the ramifications of their actions, but incompetence and posturing for their base could just as easily explain what they are doing.

    I don’t think they care what their base thinks either. They’re the tail wagging that dog.

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  22. Hoyacon Member
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    So now we’re hearing about “nuclear codes” 20 months out of office.  Don’t they change those things, like, daily?

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  23. Justin Other Lawyer Coolidge
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    The latest from Fox News.  They apparently got a copy of the inventory of items collected.

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  24. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I think it’s desperation.

    I think it’s coldly calculated evil.

    I know, Drew. And some folk on the other side see only fascism and hate. I think the real explanations are usually less exciting, and less satisfying.

    Have you been under a rock  for the last 5 years?

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  25. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    I remember when Hillary claimed she didn’t know that the classified markings on her classified documents meant that they were classified. She wants us to believe she’s just too dumb.

    “Too drunk” is certainly a possibility, but she is a clever, evil snake.

    And she didn’t realize Frank Giustra was in a deal with Russians to make hay with the uranium from our country that she helped that Canadian piece of filth get his hands on.

    Oh but that happened way back in 2010, so it is ancient history. (Unlike Trump’s tax record filings  from the 1990’s, which are totally recent activities.)

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  26. Raxxalan Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    I am not necessarily discounting that it was intentional. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if we learn that they didn’t anticipate the backlash. Tactically I guess we have to assume they did it intentionally and understood the ramifications of their actions, but incompetence and posturing for their base could just as easily explain what they are doing.

    I don’t think they care what their base thinks either. They’re the tail wagging that dog.

    See I think the only people they care about is their progressive woke base.  I don’t think this is the same as the base of the democratic party, those people they are definitely ignoring.  They are definitely playing to the technocratic globalist elites and the D3s.

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  27. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    I am not necessarily discounting that it was intentional. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if we learn that they didn’t anticipate the backlash. Tactically I guess we have to assume they did it intentionally and understood the ramifications of their actions, but incompetence and posturing for their base could just as easily explain what they are doing.

    I don’t think they care what their base thinks either. They’re the tail wagging that dog.

    See I think the only people they care about is their progressive woke base. I don’t think this is the same as the base of the democratic party, those people they are definitely ignoring. They are definitely playing to the technocratic globalist elites and the D3s.

    I agree. But my point is that they’re not pandering to them so much as fueling them.

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  28. cdor Member
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    So Attorney General Garland has now said he personally approved the raid of the former President’s home. That still leaves a whole bunch of questions, among them:

    Disputes about custody of Presidential records are fairly common, and always concluded via negotiated solutions. Why did the FBI refuse to do so?

    A raid of the property of a former President has never been carried out before, and it should have been obvious that such a raid would create the impression that you were carrying out a political vendetta. Why didn’t you consult with your boss, the current President before carrying out such an unprecedented move with such obvious historical implications?

    It has been reported that FBI (or maybe DOJ) managers expected to be able to carry out such an unprecedented move unnoticed. How can the FBI (or DOJ) employ managers that are so stupid and incapable of thinking through logical consequences of their decisions and actions?

    Did you yourself not see the historic and irreversible consequences likely to flow from your decision to permit the unprecedented move of searching the home of a former President? If you did see the consequences, why did you think destroying public confidence in law enforcement institutions was worth a momentary “victory” in what appears to be a minor legal skirmish? If not, why should not the public consider you to be the stupidest person ever to be appointed head of the DOJ?

    I think that the public trust was already gone. But a tipping point event was needed.

    Even people who are annoyed with Trump (Why his annoying demand to “trust the vaccines” – even these days… Why the refusal to stand with the J6 defendants??) even they are demanding answers for this latest slam against the Right.

    All I have to offer is moment of comic relief:

    One knows this is a lie because if Musk offered the Clintons $100 Billion for anything, they would sell before the ink dried.

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  29. Raxxalan Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    I am not necessarily discounting that it was intentional. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if we learn that they didn’t anticipate the backlash. Tactically I guess we have to assume they did it intentionally and understood the ramifications of their actions, but incompetence and posturing for their base could just as easily explain what they are doing.

    I don’t think they care what their base thinks either. They’re the tail wagging that dog.

    See I think the only people they care about is their progressive woke base. I don’t think this is the same as the base of the democratic party, those people they are definitely ignoring. They are definitely playing to the technocratic globalist elites and the D3s.

    I agree. But my point is that they’re not pandering to them so much as fueling them.

    I actually wouldn’t be surprised if it were the other way around i.e. the globalist elites are pulling the strings of the likes of Biden, Garland, and Wray.   I suppose in the end it doesn’t really matter for us which way it is going we take it in the shorts either way.

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  30. Flicker Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):
    Once again, the parallels to a banana republic are there for all to see, unless like Jonah Goldberg, they are willfully closing their eyes to the un-American police state of the democrat party.

    Jonah is a macrocephalic baboon.

    And bigger is better, even for a baboon.

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