‘Shut Up!’ They Explained

 

That was an annoying podcast. “Final Election Verdict: Conservative Compendium Comprehensively Closes 2020 Challenge

“Our sources are very conservative!  More conservative than Edmund Burke and Calvin Coolidge combined!  Super conservative!  No Never-Trumpers here!  Nope!  Nope!  Nope!  That’s ‘cuz they’re conservative!”

Well, OK, it isn’t an exact quote.  I didn’t feel like listening to the podcast a second time to get the words right.  But when you hear something like that, you can be sure shabby analysis will follow.  It did.

The “case-closing” analysis focuses on only one aspect of the possibly stolen election: the court cases.   And the podcasters did that badly.  They cite roughly 40 cases that the Trump side lost, and they even admitted that a large percentage of them were dismissed due to lack of standing.

The podcasters went on to say that the dismissed cases would have lost on the merits anyway.  That’s rich.  They insisted that courts proved their point of view on the election, and then said they would have proved their point if the cases actually went to trial.

What was not addressed are the phantom voters.  Were the voters whose ballots ended up in drop boxes actually alive?  If so, did they actually vote, or did someone vote on their behalf?  Do they live in the state?

ACORN has been disbanded for a while, but their stench still lingers.  They managed to register large numbers of people who will never vote.  Why?  So fraudsters can vote on their behalf.

The presence of drop boxes, vote harvesting and loose absentee ballot laws, coupled with the absence of signature matching, make phantom voting easier now than it was when ACORN existed.   And harder to detect.

Of course, there was no mention of 2000 Mules.  D’Dousa’s presentation isn’t bullet-proof, but it is compelling enough to warrant further investigation.

Most galling of all, they applied the conspiracy theorist label to people who don’t trust the 2020 election results and performed an impromptu psychoanalysis on them.  What a way to win people over.

A very large number of rational people are concerned about the integrity of our elections and rightly so.

Here is a multiple-choice question on leadership:

In view of the above concerns, what would a good leader do?

a.)  Investigate the above concerns and push for reforms that would make election theft harder.

b.)  Dismiss the concerns using sloppy analysis and claim there’s no problem at all.

You choose.

BTW, there are people who are right now pursuing the approach in answer a, and others practicing answer b.  Which group do you trust?

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  1. Stina Member
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    @CM

    A.

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  2. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    @VtheK

    I cannot help but wonder if the same combination of ballot harvesting by paid Democrat party operatives, junk-mail ballots, suspended ballot counting standards, and middle of the night ballot dumps had been used against Mario Rubio or Jeb Bush, if the Bush-Republicans would have enthusiastically declared it the “cleanest election in history.”

     

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  3. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    @BryanGStephens

    A.

    With prejudice. 

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  4. Kevin Schulte Member
    Kevin Schulte
    @KevinSchulte

    This is how the Republicans have behaved my entire life. They are the proverbial punk on the beach who get sand kicked in their eyes and then tossed to the ground . 

     An appropriate picture of the right in Wikipedia would be George McFly.  

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  5. Bob Thompson Member
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    @BobThompson

    President Trump got a lot of votes in the 2020 election so I think anyone trying to influence the voting public about what happened in 2020 needs to be thoughtful how they go about that. Lots of trust has been lost over the last few years and that likely applies to those who delivered this report as it did to the intelligence officials who signed something when Trump was being investigated. People who have been active participants in corrupt government have a lot of nerve to label voters who question election integrity as conspiracy theorists.

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  6. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    This is how the Republicans have behaved my entire life. They are the proverbial punk on the beach who get sand kicked in their eyes and then tossed to the ground .

    An appropriate picture of the right in Wikipedia would be George McFly.

    I love your comment. (And where is Marty when we need him?)

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  7. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    @DonG

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):
    This is how the Republicans have behaved my entire life. They are the proverbial punk on the beach who get sand kicked in their eyes and then tossed to the ground . 

    Or, the establishment una-party needs an emergency off-ramp in the case of an electoral uprising by the lower class.   The system is working as designed for those that designed it.

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  8. Skyler Coolidge
    Skyler
    @Skyler

    I will never be convinced that the 2020 election wasn’t stolen.

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  9. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):
    This is how the Republicans have behaved my entire life. They are the proverbial punk on the beach who get sand kicked in their eyes and then tossed to the ground .

    Or, the establishment una-party needs an emergency off-ramp in the case of an electoral uprising by the lower class. The system is working as designed for those that designed it.

    I was thoroughly involved with election security and voter integrity causes through the time period of March 2004 to May 2005.

    This was a very revelatory process.

    In Marin County, I served as an official election center oversight observer on the day and night of the Nov 2004 Presidential election. My spouse was with me.

    We headed off to a late dinner feeling good because Kerry had secured the election, and most announcers in our liberal Bay area radio stations stated Bush could not pull it off.

    When we got back to election center at The Registrar of Voters office at The Marin County Building, the national election vote count mysteriously  had flipped from John Kerry to George W Bush.

    There were many of the same anomalies that were observed during the Nov 2020 vote count. The night of the Nov 2004 election, many people had been glued to their TV’s and had Tivo’ed screen shots of the election proceedings.  TV banners had been recorded as  clearly demonstrating that Kerry was ahead by X amount of ballots. But then within a 7 minute window, the vote count was flipped, so that George W was in the lead. Exact same ballot numbers – just flipped from one candidate to another.

    The same type of TV election banners were recorded on the night of the Nov 2020 election. Trump was ahead, but then some short time later, the ballot count numbers were mysteriously flipped. Again they were the exact same numbers but simply removed from trump’s side of the ledger to Biden’s.

    So why am I mentioning this? It certainly will not win me fans on Ricochet to reveal my 2004  prejudice against Bush and for Kerry. So it is for another reason entirely.

    End of part 1

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  10. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Part Two:

    Even more disturbing was what my closest ally in the election integrity cause, Andy Stephenson, soon uncovered.

    Some short time after the 2004 election, he was sent by Bev Harris of the organization “Black Box Voting” to look into election snafus that had occurred in Florida. One thing he discovered by his pursuit of the entire evidence offered by the entire locale of the Florida election center he had gone to investigate was his discovery of ballots in dumpsters.

    I no longer can remember whether the problem was that these had been ballots indicating Kerry had been selected but then the ballots were never counted, or whatever. But it was a big  big deal, because it was election officials who had identified themselves as being Democrats who were most pissed off that Stephenson had made this discovery.

    i bring up these matters to explain that with all the work that so many people undertook to explain the election irregularities of 2004, that there was to my knowledge only two people – two, not twenty –  of any significance inside the Democrat Party who wanted to have the public become concerned about election integrity. Those two people were Congressman Bill Bradley, out of the East Coast, and my own local Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey.

    It is significant that a major liberal commentator,  Amy Goodman, of “Democracy Now” did not care to put together even a single episode of that show that would take to publicize the situation with the electronic machinery that compiles our election data.

    There was never any punishment meted out to the crooked election officials in that Florida election center. it is a story I share as it is important for everyone who cares about having our ballots correctly counted to actually  realize that finding out that your voting precinct or your major election center has “X amount” of officials involved who claim to belong to this or that party might matter not at all. Wolves in sheep’s clothing, people. Wolves in sheep’s clothing.

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  11. The Reticulator Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    I will never be convinced that the 2020 election wasn’t stolen.

    I might be convinced, but not with the data we’ve seen so far.

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  12. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    @VtheK

    Skyler (View Comment):

    I will never be convinced that the 2020 election wasn’t stolen.

    Stolen or not, it is irrefutable that there were major irregularities up and down the line and disproportionately concentrated in swing states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona. 

    The Democrats are using January 6 and the January 6 Committee as an effort not just to discredit the evidence of election irregularities in 2020 but to forever discredit all future allegations of voting irregularities. 

    Witness: “I saw Democrat operatives pull totes full of ballots out of the back of a Subaru Forester at 4AM on election night.” 

    Democrats: “You’re against democracy! Department of Justice, arrest this domestic terrorist at once!” 

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  13. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    This is how the Republicans have behaved my entire life. They are the proverbial punk on the beach who get sand kicked in their eyes and then tossed to the ground .

    An appropriate picture of the right in Wikipedia would be George McFly.

    or the Washington Generals vs the Harlem Globetrotters

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  14. Derek Tyburczyk Lincoln
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    I think people love certainty, almost always unearned, and undeserved. The mental gymnastics it takes to overcome cognitive dissonance is astounding. I’ve heard so many claims of certainty both ways, that does nothing but obfuscate the actual truth. Even if you can’t research or investigate every single claim of malfeasance, does not mean it shouldn’t be undertaken at some scale. Otherwise it’s conjecture and presupposition, and everybody defending a feeble position, based upon ideological subjectivity.

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  15. Bob Thompson Member
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    Derek Tyburczyk (View Comment):

    I think people love certainty, almost always unearned, and undeserved. The mental gymnastics it takes to overcome cognitive dissonance is astounding. I’ve heard so many claims of certainty both ways, that does nothing but obfuscate the actual truth. Even if you can’t research or investigate every single claim of malfeasance, does not mean it shouldn’t be undertaken at some scale. Otherwise it’s conjecture and presupposition, and everybody defending a feeble position, based upon ideological subjectivity.

    We are in the position this comment describes of having two confounded and ideologically based views on the 2020 election neither of which is based on official in-depth investigation. As a matter of fact, my sense is that we have no credible federal capability to conduct any investigation of any occurrence today. How do you like them apples?

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  16. Bishop Wash Member
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    BastiatJunior: “Our sources are very conservative!  More conservative than Edmund Burke and Calvin Coolidge combined!  Super conservative!  No Never-Trumpers here!  Nope!  Nope!  Nope!  That’s ‘cuz they’re conservative!”

    Are they, as the greatest conservative mind of the 21st century identified himself, severely conservative?

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  17. BastiatJunior Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    BastiatJunior: “Our sources are very conservative! More conservative than Edmund Burke and Calvin Coolidge combined! Super conservative! No Never-Trumpers here! Nope! Nope! Nope! That’s ‘cuz they’re conservative!”

    Are they, as the greatest conservative mind of the 21st century identified himself, severely conservative?

    Yes.  Painfully severe.

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  18. BastiatJunior Member
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    @BastiatJunior

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    President Trump got a lot of votes in the 2020 election so I think anyone trying to influence the voting public about what happened in 2020 needs to be thoughtful how they go about that. Lots of trust has been lost over the last few years and that likely applies to those who delivered this report as it did to the intelligence officials who signed something when Trump was being investigated. People who have been active participants in corrupt government have a lot of nerve to label voters who question election integrity as conspiracy theorists.

    Exactly.  Very well put.

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  19. Kirk Spears Coolidge
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    Why is it, that for some, the only possible corruption that could have occurred was by Democrats on election day, or by mamby-pamby conservatives who deny there was a problem, but never from the Trump side, who may have been pushing a false narrative? As more and more information comes out, and as insiders begin to tell their stories, the latter seems to be much more probable.

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  20. Stina Member
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    @CM

    Kirk Spears (View Comment):

    Why is it, that for some, the only possible corruption that could have occurred was by Democrats on election day, or by mamby-pamby conservatives who deny there was a problem, but never from the Trump side, who may have been pushing a false narrative? As more and more information comes out, and as insiders begin to tell their stories, the latter seems to be much more probable.

    If Hillary thought the election stolen from her, she would have demanded audits. She did not.

    It is Trump voters demanding everything be scrutinized and evaluated. Would people who cheated want something looked at so closely?

    And it sounds like you’ve been taken in by the liars of the kangaroo court. What examples do you have that Trump and his people are dealing foul?

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  21. Kevin Schulte Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Kirk Spears (View Comment):

    Why is it, that for some, the only possible corruption that could have occurred was by Democrats on election day, or by mamby-pamby conservatives who deny there was a problem, but never from the Trump side, who may have been pushing a false narrative? As more and more information comes out, and as insiders begin to tell their stories, the latter seems to be much more probable.

    If Hillary thought the election stolen from her, she would have demanded audits. She did not.

    It is Trump voters demanding everything be scrutinized and evaluated. Would people who cheated want something looked at so closely?

    And it sounds like you’ve been taken in by the liars of the kangaroo court. What examples do you have that Trump and his people are dealing foul?

    I smell TDS. 

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  22. Kirk Spears Coolidge
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    @Kirk Spears

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Kirk Spears (View Comment):

    Why is it, that for some, the only possible corruption that could have occurred was by Democrats on election day, or by mamby-pamby conservatives who deny there was a problem, but never from the Trump side, who may have been pushing a false narrative? As more and more information comes out, and as insiders begin to tell their stories, the latter seems to be much more probable.

    If Hillary thought the election stolen from her, she would have demanded audits. She did not.

    It is Trump voters demanding everything be scrutinized and evaluated. Would people who cheated want something looked at so closely?

    And it sounds like you’ve been taken in by the liars of the kangaroo court. What examples do you have that Trump and his people are dealing foul?

    I smell TDS.

    I’m not suggesting that Trump cheated on election day. I’m suggesting that claiming you were cheated out of the election with no viable evidence is also corrupt. 

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    Kirk Spears (View Comment):

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Kirk Spears (View Comment):

    Why is it, that for some, the only possible corruption that could have occurred was by Democrats on election day, or by mamby-pamby conservatives who deny there was a problem, but never from the Trump side, who may have been pushing a false narrative? As more and more information comes out, and as insiders begin to tell their stories, the latter seems to be much more probable.

    If Hillary thought the election stolen from her, she would have demanded audits. She did not.

    It is Trump voters demanding everything be scrutinized and evaluated. Would people who cheated want something looked at so closely?

    And it sounds like you’ve been taken in by the liars of the kangaroo court. What examples do you have that Trump and his people are dealing foul?

    I smell TDS.

    I’m not suggesting that Trump cheated on election day. I’m suggesting that claiming you were cheated out of the election with no viable evidence is also corrupt.

    Then look at who’s trying to keep evidence (real evidence, not fabrications) from coming out.

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  24. Bob Thompson Member
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    @BobThompson

    Kirk Spears (View Comment):

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Kirk Spears (View Comment):

    Why is it, that for some, the only possible corruption that could have occurred was by Democrats on election day, or by mamby-pamby conservatives who deny there was a problem, but never from the Trump side, who may have been pushing a false narrative? As more and more information comes out, and as insiders begin to tell their stories, the latter seems to be much more probable.

    If Hillary thought the election stolen from her, she would have demanded audits. She did not.

    It is Trump voters demanding everything be scrutinized and evaluated. Would people who cheated want something looked at so closely?

    And it sounds like you’ve been taken in by the liars of the kangaroo court. What examples do you have that Trump and his people are dealing foul?

    I smell TDS.

    I’m not suggesting that Trump cheated on election day. I’m suggesting that claiming you were cheated out of the election with no viable evidence is also corrupt.

    The evidence is there but lacking official examination. Are you @kirk-spears not aware of the level of criminal activity going on in government where the criminal investigators and/or prosecutors are MIA. Many Trump supporters are calling for integrity in elections. That would apply to all cheaters.

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  25. Kirk Spears Coolidge
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    @Kirk Spears

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Kirk Spears (View Comment):

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Kirk Spears (View Comment):

    Why is it, that for some, the only possible corruption that could have occurred was by Democrats on election day, or by mamby-pamby conservatives who deny there was a problem, but never from the Trump side, who may have been pushing a false narrative? As more and more information comes out, and as insiders begin to tell their stories, the latter seems to be much more probable.

    If Hillary thought the election stolen from her, she would have demanded audits. She did not.

    It is Trump voters demanding everything be scrutinized and evaluated. Would people who cheated want something looked at so closely?

    And it sounds like you’ve been taken in by the liars of the kangaroo court. What examples do you have that Trump and his people are dealing foul?

    I smell TDS.

    I’m not suggesting that Trump cheated on election day. I’m suggesting that claiming you were cheated out of the election with no viable evidence is also corrupt.

    The evidence is there but lacking official examination. Are you @ kirk-spears not aware of the level of criminal activity going on in government where the criminal investigators and/or prosecutors are MIA. Many Trump supporters are calling for integrity in elections. That would apply to all cheaters.

    I’m aware that many states have made efforts to limit the areas where cheating has or may occur. I think this is a good thing. Obviously fraud happens, but I just don’t think there’s evidence that it’s on the scale that Trump claims.

    As for investigation into other forms of corruption within government, I’d put more stock in an Inspector General than the FBI or other federal law enforcement agency. I have a low opinion of the investigatory prowess of federal agencies, whether corrupted by politics or not.

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  26. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    @BryanGStephens

    Kirk Spears (View Comment):

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Kirk Spears (View Comment):

    Why is it, that for some, the only possible corruption that could have occurred was by Democrats on election day, or by mamby-pamby conservatives who deny there was a problem, but never from the Trump side, who may have been pushing a false narrative? As more and more information comes out, and as insiders begin to tell their stories, the latter seems to be much more probable.

    If Hillary thought the election stolen from her, she would have demanded audits. She did not.

    It is Trump voters demanding everything be scrutinized and evaluated. Would people who cheated want something looked at so closely?

    And it sounds like you’ve been taken in by the liars of the kangaroo court. What examples do you have that Trump and his people are dealing foul?

    I smell TDS.

    I’m not suggesting that Trump cheated on election day. I’m suggesting that claiming you were cheated out of the election with no viable evidence is also corrupt.

    Um,

    The Wisconsin Supreme Court?

     

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  27. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    It was clear before the election that the democrats were going to do everything they could to steal it. They bragged about it? 

    But hey, believe what you want. I don’t care. 

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