When, Exactly, Did the Medical Profession Lose Its Mind?

 

Houston Methodist Hospital System is in the middle of a staffing emergency. They have over 400 fully-vaccinated employees out sick with Covid-19.  They fired 153 people last year who refused the hospital system’s vaccine mandate. This is a statement from a hospital system spokeswoman:

“We have 400 employees out sick with COVID. They are out sick without severe illness. We stand by the effectiveness of the vaccine,” Asin responded.

Those two sentences contradict each other.  The spokeswoman has no idea.  No mind, it appears.

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  1. Kozak Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    You overlook the liability issue- Congress has refused to pass legislation limiting employer’s liability for COVID- and hospitals as well. If a customer (or patient) sued claiming he got COVID from an employee of your business (or hospital) you are in trouble – unless you can point out that you required vaccines (which are the only preventative method we have). That is also why hospitals keep requiring mask use by the staff. Until there is some legal protection, employers are only being prudent in taking steps to limit their liability.

    Is Covid the only disease with which a person can sue a hospital if he gets infected in that hospital? I thought that hospitals were infamous for being spreaders of “super bugs.” Is there provision for a law suit if one catches one of those in a hospital?

    In order to work at the hospital I had to show proof of immunization or immunity to Influenza, Hepatitis, Herpes Zoster, Rubella, Mumps, Measles, and no infection with TB or HIV.  This is nothing new for health care workers.

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  2. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    You overlook the liability issue- Congress has refused to pass legislation limiting employer’s liability for COVID- and hospitals as well. If a customer (or patient) sued claiming he got COVID from an employee of your business (or hospital) you are in trouble – unless you can point out that you required vaccines (which are the only preventative method we have). That is also why hospitals keep requiring mask use by the staff. Until there is some legal protection, employers are only being prudent in taking steps to limit their liability.

    Is Covid the only disease with which a person can sue a hospital if he gets infected in that hospital? I thought that hospitals were infamous for being spreaders of “super bugs.” Is there provision for a law suit if one catches one of those in a hospital?

    It’s the only one with a supposed “preventive” vaccine for which the vaccine manufacturer has no liability. All other liability can be passed on to other parties or is only actionable if the hospital or its employees commit malpractice. Post op wound infections or other infections can’t be absolutely prevented, and hospitals go to great lengths with infection control to prevent transmission of infection from other pathogens. So if such occur, appropriate treatment mitigates liability.

    Can one sue the US government for funding the development of COVID in a lab in China? Or the Chinese government for creating and leaking the virus? I don’t think so. 

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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):
    One wonders what might happen if hospital employees sued the hospital for adverse reactions to the vaccine that the hospital mandated.  Has that happened?

    Please please please please make this happen.

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  4. Bob Thompson Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):
    thought of that right away. What makes COVID so special that hospitals fear being sued should a patient pick it up at a hospital? What makes COVID so special that legislation is required to limit the employer’s liability?

    It’s the deadliest virus evah! With a 103% fatality rate. Eight billion people have died from it so far.

    Yes, the initial stages were scary when it was largely unknown. It has entered the endemic stage and seems to have mutated into a fairly mild strain. I wouldn’t have known I had it unless Brandon Weinstein didn’t make me test every week for refusing to let him stick something in me to keep my job.

    I don’t think your numbers are off by much if we substitute paralyzed with fear for the number of deaths.

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  5. Kozak Member
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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    The diagnosis is clear. I prescribe a course of leeches.

    There are several other techniques for “bleeding.” I suggest they all be used together for optimal results.

    Leeches are actually used in transplant surgery.   Therapeutic phlebotomy is used for polycythemia.   Different disease processes need different therapies.

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  6. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):
    Can one sue the US government for funding the development of COVID in a lab in China? Or the Chinese government for creating and leaking the virus? I don’t think so. 

    The DOJ could imprison Fauci and Collins for lying about it under oath.

    If the DOJ was interested in following the law.

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  7. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    RushBabe49: When, exactly, did the medical profession lose its mind?

    You assume the medical profession was ever sane? They can’t even tell the difference between a symbol of healing and symbol of death.

    The Medical profession lost its mind gradually over many decades, then all at once when COVID hit. 

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  8. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    Joe Boyle (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    This is startling on so many levels – a perpetual cycle of shortages in critical areas. I hope we don’t have a healthcare crisis this fall and winter when flu season hits.

    Food shortages, supply chain mayhem, fuel costs, inflation, over two more years of Biden, critical everything theories, rising crime, corrupt institutions, recession, ESG, DEI, I think we are well on the way to DE civilization. Diversity is not our strength. Everything is a battle. Everyone wants their share of a shrinking pie. With all the environment morons we will not be able to grow our way out.

    You ain’t seen nuthin yet, as they say. Wait until Biden ‘Mandates’ his green new deal by executive fiat. Baby formula shortages will be by far the least of our problems. Biden is bidding to outdo the Sri Lankan leaders. Create famine, pestilence, mass slaughter, etc. etc. etc. The Woke are mad with power lust and dead set on destroying humanity, that ultimate invasive species (they tend to forget that that includes them).

    I think it’s time to realize that none of this is due to incompetence; all of these things are intended features, not bugs. The point is to cull the human population like the Elk herd of the Yellowstone. COVID was so developed. All of the supply chain problems, shortages, energy problems, inflation, crime, etc., etc are fulfilling the very reason for Progressives’ existence, to rid the planet of us deplorables, the sooner the better, and create a world of “prize sheep on a well-tended moor” that was Francis Galton’s stated original objective when he concocted Eugenics a century and a half ago. 

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):
    You ain’t seen nuthin yet, as they say. Wait until Biden ‘Mandates’ his green new deal by executive fiat.

    I’m hoping the American people respond the same way citizens in the Netherlands, German, Italy, Spain, France, Panama, Poland, Sri Lanka, et al are responding.

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  10. Bob Thompson Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):
    You ain’t seen nuthin yet, as they say. Wait until Biden ‘Mandates’ his green new deal by executive fiat.

    I’m hoping the American people respond the same way citizens in the Netherlands, German, Italy, Spain, France, Panama, Poland, Sri Lanka, et al are responding.

    The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, 

    Death, Famine, War, and Demorats.

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  11. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    The diagnosis is clear. I prescribe a course of leeches.

    There are several other techniques for “bleeding.” I suggest they all be used together for optimal results.

    Leeches are actually used in transplant surgery. Therapeutic phlebotomy is used for polycythemia. Different disease processes need different therapies.

    But when faced with an existential crisis, all modalities need to be employed. 

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  12. Misthiocracy has never Member
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    RushBabe49:

    a statement from a hospital system spokeswoman:

    “We have 400 employees out sick with COVID. They are out sick without severe illness. We stand by the effectiveness of the vaccine,”

     

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  13. Arahant Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):
    In order to work at the hospital I had to show proof of immunization or immunity to Influenza, Hepatitis, Herpes Zoster, Rubella, Mumps, Measles, and no infection with TB or HIV.  This is nothing new for health care workers.

    Or the military.

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  14. Kozak Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    In order to work at the hospital I had to show proof of immunization or immunity to Influenza, Hepatitis, Herpes Zoster, Rubella, Mumps, Measles, and no infection with TB or HIV. This is nothing new for health care workers.

    Or the military.

    I was both.

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  15. Arahant Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):
    I was both.

    I remember.

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  16. Percival Thatcher
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    RushBabe49:

    Houston Methodist Hospital System is in the middle of a staffing emergency. They have over 400 fully-vaccinated employees out sick with Covid-19.  They fired 153 people last year who refused the hospital system’s vaccine mandate. This is a statement from a hospital system spokeswoman:

    “We have 400 employees out sick with COVID. They are out sick without severe illness. We stand by the effectiveness of the vaccine,” Asin responded.

    The vaccine is effective? For what? It doesn’t confer immunity. It doesn’t suppress the spread of the virus. Its primary effect is to hoover up government cash for Pfizer, Moderna, and whoever else is flogging the snake oil.

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  17. Arahant Member
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    Percival (View Comment):
    The vaccine is effective? For what? It doesn’t confer immunity. It doesn’t suppress the spread of the virus. Its primary effect is to hoover up government cash for Pfizer, Moderna, and whoever else is flogging the snake oil.

    It reduces excess population.

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  18. MarciN Member
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    I think the differences in the opinions of individual doctors about the efficacy of the covid vaccine are really funny. It makes me think of the (supposedly Chinese proverb–I first saw it in the NYT decades ago) old saying, “Man with one watch always knows what time it is. Man with two watches never knows.” Man with one doctor always knows what’s wrong and what to do. Man with two doctors never knows. :-)

    It is a blessing for patients that doctors think completely independently. It would be troubling if doctors all said the same thing. If that were ever the case, I wouldn’t believe any of them. :-)

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  19. Trajan Inactive
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    Those 153 people they fired,  wonder what their status is? Be a hoot if they were all healthy….

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  20. Ray Kujawa Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    The vaccine is effective? For what? It doesn’t confer immunity. It doesn’t suppress the spread of the virus. Its primary effect is to hoover up government cash for Pfizer, Moderna, and whoever else is flogging the snake oil.

    It reduces excess population.

    It also reduces non-excess population, if by excess you mean the older and infirm. I mean by non-excess younger people who would otherwise have many working years ahead of them, also conceiving and bringing healthy children into the world.

    Usually a population achieves immunity when sufficient people become immune. People can become immune as a result of natural infection if they haven’t been vaccinated and boosted. For lack of a better expression, consider these people ‘the control group.’ The vaccinated and boosted group have perpetual waning immunity, with effectiveness into negative numbers. They can’t get rid of the virus. They can’t support achieving immunity in the population; the unvaxxed and previously infected can. The population will achieve immunity when sufficient numbers of vaccinated and boosted die.

    This is the reason I take a moral stand against taking the vaccine. If, by taking the vaccine, I become incapable of preventing spread of the virus, then I am contributing to the eventual extermination of my fellow citizens. I believe the best choice is to choose to make the virus stop with me. It is not sufficient to take a medicine for my own preservation if it has the result of helping to harm many others — plus I recognize that those benefits of the medicine are illusory. I will do the best I can armed with true information on immunology.

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  21. Flicker Coolidge
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    Ray Kujawa (View Comment):
    It also reduces non-excess population, if by excess you mean the older and infirm.

    This is risky to state someone else’s meaning, but I think the “excess population” that Ari was talking about was the portion of the population in excess of 500 million.  Anyway, that’s certainly what I would have meant by it.

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  22. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Ray Kujawa (View Comment):
    It also reduces non-excess population, if by excess you mean the older and infirm.

    This is risky to state someone else’s meaning, but I think the “excess population” that Ari was talking about was the portion of the population in excess of 500 million. Anyway, that’s certainly what I would have meant by it.

    I just assumed it was a reference to Dickens.

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  23. Bob Thompson Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Ray Kujawa (View Comment):
    It also reduces non-excess population, if by excess you mean the older and infirm.

    This is risky to state someone else’s meaning, but I think the “excess population” that Ari was talking about was the portion of the population in excess of 500 million. Anyway, that’s certainly what I would have meant by it.

    It makes little difference what is in the minds of the instigators. This phony vaccine process is the third major methodology adopted by governments, after war and abortions, to kill indiscriminately  large numbers of humans. One must wonder what great human innovations have been lost thereby. Maybe fentanyl should be on that list too since our government seems to approve.

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  24. Arahant Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    Maybe fentanyl should be on that list too since our government seems to approve.

    Yes.

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  25. Bob Thompson Member
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    Notice the vital role the medical community is playing in all these approaches to reduce the number of living humans. We might say the medical profession has lost its mind but it is just following orders. Stop thinking the institutional purpose is to save lives.

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  26. Arahant Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    Stop thinking the institutional purpose is to save lives.

    It’s hard to think that when many of them use a symbol of death in place of a symbol of healing.

    Hermes/Mercury was also the psychopomp, who led the dead spirits to the afterlife.

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