The Lies They Continue to Tell About Donald Trump

 

I knew instantly it was false when the news broke that a pro-life Catholic high school student from Kentucky had mistreated an elderly Native American veteran on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March for Life a few years ago. I knew it instantly. It did not smell right.

Sad to say, many major pro-life leaders immediately attacked the kid. But I knew it was false, and it was.

In precisely the same way, I knew instantly it was false when Cassidy Hutchinson told the January 6th committee that Trump tried to hijack the presidential SUV and, in the process, choked a Secret Service agent.

Keep in mind, Trump is the man his haters said could not walk down a short ramp at a graduation ceremony. He is the man they said was so frail he could not drink from a cup except by using both hands.

When it is useful for them, this frail man becomes Jason Bourne—able to leap a great distance from a seated position and at the same time lay hands on the throat of a Secret Service agent.

Hutchinson also told the committee she heard the president say he didn’t care if armed men were trying to get through presidential security because they weren’t there to harm him. The implication of Hutchinson’s charge is that he allowed armed men past security all the better to invade the Capitol and kill Vice President Pence. Since Washington, D.C., has severe gun laws, one wonders why these armed men were not arrested instantly; unless they never existed except in certain fevered brains.

Hutchinson said under oath that White House Counsel Pat Cipollone confided to her that the president going up to the Capitol that day would have broken “any number of laws.” I have known Pat Cipollone for years. He is a very careful man. It does not pass the smell test that Cipollone would confide in the likes of Cassidy Hutchinson. What’s more, one wonders what laws Hutchinson thinks would be broken by the president going to an impromptu rally at the Capitol?

The usual suspects fell all over themselves praising the bravery of Hutchinson. Former Prosecutor Andy McCarthy, usually extremely careful, jumped with both feet onto the claim that Trump tried to overpower his security detail and hijack the presidential SUV. The next day, he backed off and settled on the possibility that the story may be false, but Hutchinson was not lying since she was merely repeating what she had heard someone say.

The goofballs over at The Bulwark did yet one more in a long line of tap dances on the grave of DJT’s presidency. Mona Charen said Hutchinson was a heroine and hoped her courage would be as courageous as most Republicans’ cowardice. Gay vulgarian Tim Miller said, “This afternoon a 26-year-old former assistant showed more courage and integrity than an entire administration full of grown-ass adults who were purportedly working in service to the American people but had long ago decided to serve only their ambition and grievance.”

This is a pattern among the Trump-haters, believing the most incredible things they hear.

Remember the pee-pee tape? They were told Trump hired prostitutes to urinate on the Moscow hotel bed where Barack Obama once slept. They really believed this.

Remember when he supposedly quoted Italian fascist leader Benito Mussolini? Trump retweeted an old saying—“better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep.”

It was tweeted from a troll account @ilduce2016. Get it? Get it? Trump quoted Mussolini! Trump is a fascist! We have proof!!!

NBC newsman Chuck Todd said, “That’s a famous Mussolini quote. You retweeted it. Do you like the quote? Did you know it was Mussolini?” It turns out the quote is attributed by the Oxford Dictionary of Proverbs to the Sultan of Mysore circa 1799.

These guys will believe anything as long as it works against Trump.

Do you remember when Trump said he was “king”? In February 2020, Trump survived impeachment. The New York Times quoted Ralph Waldo Emerson, “When you strike at the king, you must kill him.” Trump retweeted this. The Executive Editor of Bloomberg opinion said, “When you say the thing out loud: I am a king.” Law professor and frequent MSNBC talking head Barb McQuade said, “This may be the most sinister tweet Trump has ever posted. He is comparing himself with the king and threatening to use his powers for revenge on those who questioned his abuse of power.” Even faded, nutball actress Mia Farrow joined the fun, “You are not a king.” This went on for days.

How about when Trump said he was “the chosen one”? In August 2019, as Trump walked toward the presidential chopper, he was asked about the impending trade war with China. He said no previous president had taken on China, then he glanced skyward, raised his arms, and said, “I am the chosen one. I am taking on China. I am taking on China on trade.” A writer at CNN said, “‘Chosen one,’ then, isn’t just rhetoric. It’s a deeply held part of who Trump is—and always has been.” Radical feminist Amanda Marcotte wrote at Salon, “Even for a bottomless pit of narcissism like Donald Trump, Wednesday was an exceptional day for self-aggrandizement.”

The very same day, a Christian radio host compared Trump to the King of Israel. The Daily Beast then wrote, “Trump Says He’s King of the Jews. The Bible Says Otherwise.”

One could go on and on about the lies they tell about Donald Trump. The Washington Post says Trump spouted more than 30,000 lies during his four years. Even that is a lie.

It is unfortunate that young Hutchinson has allowed herself to be used by the odious Liz Cheney and the unhinged folks on the J6 Committee. Maybe she didn’t lie, but the stories she told are false. In the end, she will probably become the conservative co-host on The View.

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  1. Bishop Wash Member
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    Roderic (View Comment):
    When called on this they will tell you that they just know that Trump’s motives were bad because of what they know about his character.  The trouble is that what they know about his character is almost all false.

    Or when Jonah was shown that nothing he feared in 2016 about a Trump presidency came about, he doubled down and said it would happen in a second term because Trump wouldn’t be concerned with getting reelected. Instead we got what people feared by Biden being installed. Which was entirely predictable. 

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  2. cdor Member
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    Franco (View Comment):

    Of course, this post would bring out Ricochet’s # 1 promoter of lies about Donald Trump.

     

    I saw the name and scrolled right past. Of course, then I had to rinse and repeat about 20 times.

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  3. cdor Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

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    cdor (View Comment):

    Andrew Klavan did a podcast with Megan Kelly the other day. Klavan was certainly pro Trump policies, but never a big fan of Trump the man. Fair enough. But Klavan kept talking about the obnoxious Trump personality and the mean tweets, as if it were a fact taken for granted. I kept wanting Klavan to be more specific. Which tweets, exactly, did he find mean. What specifically were Trumps obnoxious traits? I would say narcissism, which is common in many high-level politicians, is one negative attribute I would associate with Trump. I always wished he would defer credit for his achievements more to his “team”. But the crazed hatred exhibited by most of his detractors always seemed to me to be a mirror image of the man they hated.

    I agree with you, but I am uncomfortable with the general use of narcissism to describe people like Trump. I know guys who are successful, compassionate and generous, and ballsy and ooze confidence. What’s the difference between confidence and success, and what we call narcissism?

    I think the difference is a narcissist takes all of the credit, almost all of the time. They may deserve the credit, but a gracious person lets others make that determination.

    Then, when Trump gave that speech at the border wall and pointed to the construction crew as having accomplished something great, that was him being not a narcissist?

    Yes. I think Trump was a great President. I do not think Trump is a perfect man.

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  4. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    cdor (View Comment):

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    cdor (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Andrew Klavan did a podcast with Megan Kelly the other day. Klavan was certainly pro Trump policies, but never a big fan of Trump the man. Fair enough. But Klavan kept talking about the obnoxious Trump personality and the mean tweets, as if it were a fact taken for granted. I kept wanting Klavan to be more specific. Which tweets, exactly, did he find mean. What specifically were Trumps obnoxious traits? I would say narcissism, which is common in many high-level politicians, is one negative attribute I would associate with Trump. I always wished he would defer credit for his achievements more to his “team”. But the crazed hatred exhibited by most of his detractors always seemed to me to be a mirror image of the man they hated.

    I agree with you, but I am uncomfortable with the general use of narcissism to describe people like Trump. I know guys who are successful, compassionate and generous, and ballsy and ooze confidence. What’s the difference between confidence and success, and what we call narcissism?

    I think the difference is a narcissist takes all of the credit, almost all of the time. They may deserve the credit, but a gracious person lets others make that determination.

    Then, when Trump gave that speech at the border wall and pointed to the construction crew as having accomplished something great, that was him being not a narcissist?

    Yes. I think Trump was a great President. I do not think Trump is a perfect man.

    What a concept. 

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  5. Red Herring Coolidge
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    cdor (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Andrew Klavan did a podcast with Megan Kelly the other day. Klavan was certainly pro Trump policies, but never a big fan of Trump the man. Fair enough. But Klavan kept talking about the obnoxious Trump personality and the mean tweets, as if it were a fact taken for granted. I kept wanting Klavan to be more specific. Which tweets, exactly, did he find mean. What specifically were Trumps obnoxious traits? I would say narcissism, which is common in many high-level politicians, is one negative attribute I would associate with Trump. I always wished he would defer credit for his achievements more to his “team”. But the crazed hatred exhibited by most of his detractors always seemed to me to be a mirror image of the man they hated.

    I agree with you, but I am uncomfortable with the general use of narcissism to describe people like Trump. I know guys who are successful, compassionate and generous, and ballsy and ooze confidence. What’s the difference between confidence and success, and what we call narcissism?

    I think the difference is a narcissist takes all of the credit, almost all of the time. They may deserve the credit, but a gracious person lets others make that determination.

    Then, when Trump gave that speech at the border wall and pointed to the construction crew as having accomplished something great, that was him being not a narcissist?

    Yes. I think Trump was a great President. I do not think Trump is a perfect man.

    Thank goodness we don’t have the Dem standard of a perfect president.

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  6. TBA Coolidge
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  7. Charlotte Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    There is an increasing mountain of compelling evidence from members of the Trump Administration as follows:

    1. Trump knew that he lost the 2020 election, but chose to follow the advice of a drunk Rudy Guilani to deny election results.
    2. Trump repeatedly promoted this “Big Lie” and whipped up all of his supporters.
    3. Trump implored his supporters to come to Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021.
    4. Trump knew that the crowd included people with body armor, brass knuckles, bear spray and firearms, but said that they weren’t after him.
    5. Trump and the other speakers whipped the mob into a frenzy.
    6. Trump told the mob to go to the Capitol and said that he would join them.
    7. Tony Ornato told Cassidy Hutchinson that Trump had lunged for the steering wheel of the GMC Suburban.
    8. Trump was aware that the crowd was chanting “Hang Mike Pence” and Trump’s Chief of Staff Mark Meadows said that Trump agreed with the crowd.
    9. For 187 minutes, Trump refused to intervene and tell the mob to go home.

    Even if we discover that Tony Ornato lied to Cassidy Hutchinson in item 7, the other 8 points still remain, and not been sufficiently rebutted.

    ^ The Lies They Continue to Tell About Donald Trump ^

    I can’t believe you’re still clinging to the 187 minutes lie. That was exposed as a lie so long ago, it was found embedded in the fossil records.

    Well, I believe that it will be addressed at future hearings. What sworn evidence, if any, do you have for your argument?

    LOL! I’ve actually pointed this out to you several times. Go look at your archives, man. “Sworn evidence.” Puh-leeze.

    A link would be helpful, if you have one. But I am not going to hunt through my achives, when I have no memory of what you say that I said.

    You just said that you have no memory of what you said.

    I have no memory of what Drew says that I said. I asked for a link where I allegedly said that he says I said. I am still waiting.

    I’m 100% certain that I’ll regret weighing in on this, but I just wanted to point out that Drew provided a link with information about the 187 minutes business all the way back in comment #21. I think there was a disconnect when Gary requested “evidence”; he (Gary) wanted a link to one of his past comments but Drew assumed the request was for evidence refuting the timeline (which, for the record, was how I read it too but I can see how it could go either way).

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  8. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf 🚫 Banned
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    I’m 100% certain that I’ll regret weighing in on this, but I just wanted to point out that Drew provided a link with information about the 187 minutes business all the way back in comment #21. I think there was a disconnect when Gary requested “evidence”; he (Gary) wanted a link to one of his past comments but Drew assumed the request was for evidence refuting the timeline (which, for the record, was how I read it too but I can see how it could go either way).

    Doesn’t matter. I’ve refuted him on the “187 Minutes” lie multiple times, but he just ignores it and repeats the lie over and over.

    • #68
  9. RufusRJones Member
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    The sergeants at arms for the house and the senate in charge of security. Bowser is the DC mayor.

    It does not appear that the January 6 select committee has interviewed Irving, Stenger, or Bowser. (Irving and Stenger conveniently resigned on January 7; Irving refused to testify before the Senate committee investigating the “attack.”) In addition, Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) has announced Pelosi’s records related to January 6 were “off-limits.”

    https://amgreatness.com/2022/06/13/january-6-for-non-dummies/

     

     

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  10. RufusRJones Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    I’d wager Gary still believes the Covington kids were at fault.

    I’m not saying Gary is included, but the way the generic GOP behaved around this is despicable. A lawyer told me that he got $280 million. He’s not finished, either. The biography of the guy beating the drum is ridiculous. Total fraud. 

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  11. RufusRJones Member
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    I haven’t read all of this yet, but her “bombshell” testimony only came out after her third interview including one of those as a deposition. Something is seriously wrong here and with the whole thing.

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  12. Gary Robbins 🚫 Banned
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    There is an increasing mountain of compelling evidence from members of the Trump Administration as follows:

    1. Trump knew that he lost the 2020 election, but chose to follow the advice of a drunk Rudy Guilani to deny election results.
    2. Trump repeatedly promoted this “Big Lie” and whipped up all of his supporters.
    3. Trump implored his supporters to come to Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021.
    4. Trump knew that the crowd included people with body armor, brass knuckles, bear spray and firearms, but said that they weren’t after him.
    5. Trump and the other speakers whipped the mob into a frenzy.
    6. Trump told the mob to go to the Capitol and said that he would join them.
    7. Tony Ornato told Cassidy Hutchinson that Trump had lunged for the steering wheel of the GMC Suburban.
    8. Trump was aware that the crowd was chanting “Hang Mike Pence” and Trump’s Chief of Staff Mark Meadows said that Trump agreed with the crowd.
    9. For 187 minutes, Trump refused to intervene and tell the mob to go home.

    Even if we discover that Tony Ornato lied to Cassidy Hutchinson in item 7, the other 8 points still remain, and not been sufficiently rebutted.

    ^ The Lies They Continue to Tell About Donald Trump ^

    I can’t believe you’re still clinging to the 187 minutes lie. That was exposed as a lie so long ago, it was found embedded in the fossil records.

    Well, I believe that it will be addressed at future hearings. What sworn evidence, if any, do you have for your argument?

    LOL! I’ve actually pointed this out to you several times. Go look at your archives, man. “Sworn evidence.” Puh-leeze.

    A link would be helpful, if you have one. But I am not going to hunt through my achives, when I have no memory of what you say that I said.

    You just said that you have no memory of what you said.

    He just ignores any information contrary to his story of Orange Man bad. He still believes the Charlottesville lie. I’d wager Gary still believes the Covington kids were at fault.

    Oh Bryan! No, I don’t believe that the Covington kids were at fault. My goodness, please get your facts straight. With all due respect, I believe that you suffer from GRDS.

    You believe so many things that are not true, it is hard to keep track.

    I don’t suffer from heartburn though.

    Nor do I. 

    Concerning high blood pressure, there are victims, and there are carriers.  I believe that it is better to give than receive.

    • #72
  13. Gary Robbins 🚫 Banned
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    As head of the executive branch, if Trump wanted to be driven to the capitol, I am sure he would have been driven to the capitol. He could fire any secret service agent he wanted. I think it implausible that Trump tried to grab the steering wheel, and implausible that the secret service had the authority to refuse to drive Trump anywhere he wanted.

    You know who I’ve never seen have a temper tantrum? DJT. If you know otherwise, I need to see the video.

    You know who gets aggressive and ugly with ordinary Americans on camera? The current pResident in Chief.

    These accusations are typical lefty M.O. — projection. If the situation were reversed, I’d fully expect Brandon to have a tantrum and grab at Secret Service agents. And then be excused because — Democrat. And because he supports womyn being able to kill their inconvenient babies. Is there anything more important to the Left?

    I am not aware of Biden throwing his lunch against the wall, and breaking plates.  But Trump did.

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  14. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    As head of the executive branch, if Trump wanted to be driven to the capitol, I am sure he would have been driven to the capitol. He could fire any secret service agent he wanted. I think it implausible that Trump tried to grab the steering wheel, and implausible that the secret service had the authority to refuse to drive Trump anywhere he wanted.

    You know who I’ve never seen have a temper tantrum? DJT. If you know otherwise, I need to see the video.

    You know who gets aggressive and ugly with ordinary Americans on camera? The current pResident in Chief.

    These accusations are typical lefty M.O. — projection. If the situation were reversed, I’d fully expect Brandon to have a tantrum and grab at Secret Service agents. And then be excused because — Democrat. And because he supports womyn being able to kill their inconvenient babies. Is there anything more important to the Left?

    I am not aware of Biden throwing his lunch against the wall, and breaking plates. But Trump did.

    How can you be so gullible?

    • #74
  15. Gary Robbins 🚫 Banned
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    Austin Ruse (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    There are a bunch of arguments made about past treatment of Trump, with the Covington kids being thrown in also. I am not going to address them in this comment. I am going to address the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson that Trump attempted to force the GMC Suburban to go to the Capitol as this appears the issue most people are raising.

    Obviously, I wasn’t there. I didn’t see this incident. I was in Flagstaff on January 6, 2021. I wasn’t in Washington, D.C. I am relying on the testimony of the witnesses before the January 6th Committee. Unique perhaps among my fellow Ricochetti, I actually watched all of the January 6th Committee Hearings, including but not limited to the Cassidy Hutchison testimony under oath. Ms. Hutchison’s testimony was carefully crafted as to what it said and did not say.

    Ms. Hutchison did not say that Trump lunged towards the steering wheel. She said that Tony Ornato had told her of Trump lunging towards the steering wheel. She added that one of the secret service officers was present when Tony Ornato said this. The three most likely possibilities are as follows:

    The Three Alternatives

    First, Trump actually lunged at the steering wheel of the GMC Suburban, and Tony Ornato was accurate in what he told Cassidy Hutchinson. Of note, the presence of the secret service officer who was there, gives credance to this point of view.

    Second, Trump didn’t really lunge at the steering wheel of the GMC Suburban, and Tony Ornato either made it all up, or he fluffed up a true story to make it more dramatic.

    Third, Cassidy Hutchinson lied. Tony Ornato never told her about this story of lunging, or she inflated it for her purposes.

    It appears that the American Greatness crowd has choosen to believe the third scenario. I don’t. I think that the first two are much more likely.

    Two Questions to be Answered

    Here are the two questions that should be answered.

    First, what did Tony Ornato say to Cassidy Hutchinson? We have the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson under oath, now call Tony Ornato as a witness and ask him this directly under oath. And call the secret service officer who was there apparently both for the incident in the Suburban and Tony Ornato’s conversation with Cassidy Hutchinson, and confirm what Tony Ornato actually said or didn’t say to Cassidy Hutchinson.

    Second, what acrually happened? This information may or may not be available. The Secret Service has argued in the case of Bill Clinton that they can’t do their job of protecting the President if they can be called as witnesses. But make an attempt. There were apparently two witnesses in the vehicle, the driver and the other agent. Call them to testify. If they can testify, great. If they can’t testify, then that can’t be helped.

    Conclusion

    I found the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson to be riveting and compelling. It is a pity that we didn’t have a “9/11 style independent commission.” It is a pity that Kevin McCarthy pulled all 5 Republicans from the Select Committee in a pique of anger.

    But it is what it is. There is an increasing mountain of compelling evidence from members of the Trump Administration as follows:

    1. Trump knew that he lost the 2020 election, but chose to follow the advice of a drunk Rudy Guilani to deny election results.
    2. Trump repeatedly promoted this “Big Lie” and whipped up all of his supporters.
    3. Trump implored his supporters to come to Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021.
    4. Trump knew that the crowd included people with body armor, brass knuckles, bear spray and firearms, but said that they weren’t after him.
    5. Trump and the other speakers whipped the mob into a frenzy.
    6. Trump told the mob to go to the Capitol and said that he would join them.
    7. Tony Ornato told Cassidy Hutchinson that Trump had lunged for the steering wheel of the GMC Suburban.
    8. Trump was aware that the crowd was chanting “Hang Mike Pence” and Trump’s Chief of Staff Mark Meadows said that Trump agreed with the crowd.
    9. For 187 minutes, Trump refused to intervene and tell the mob to go home.

    Even if we discover that Tony Ornato lied to Cassidy Hutchinson in item 7, the other 8 points still remain, and not been sufficiently rebutted.

    How do you know that Trump knew he lost the election?

    He was repeatedly told so by William Barr and his successor, as well as the Arizona and Georgia Republican Governors.

    • #75
  16. Django Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    As head of the executive branch, if Trump wanted to be driven to the capitol, I am sure he would have been driven to the capitol. He could fire any secret service agent he wanted. I think it implausible that Trump tried to grab the steering wheel, and implausible that the secret service had the authority to refuse to drive Trump anywhere he wanted.

    You know who I’ve never seen have a temper tantrum? DJT. If you know otherwise, I need to see the video.

    You know who gets aggressive and ugly with ordinary Americans on camera? The current pResident in Chief.

    These accusations are typical lefty M.O. — projection. If the situation were reversed, I’d fully expect Brandon to have a tantrum and grab at Secret Service agents. And then be excused because — Democrat. And because he supports womyn being able to kill their inconvenient babies. Is there anything more important to the Left?

    I am not aware of Biden throwing his lunch against the wall, and breaking plates. But Trump did.

    Your boy Biden is too busy destroying the country to throw a temper tantrum. Why should he throw one anyway when he has full Demo-rat support and there are no NTs nor RINOs trying to stop him? 

    • #76
  17. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf 🚫 Banned
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Austin Ruse (View Comment):

    How do you know that Trump knew he lost the election?

    He was repeatedly told so by William Barr and his successor, as well as the Arizona and Georgia Republican Governors.

    So I tell you something, and you disagree with me, I’m allowed to call you a liar, right? I mean, that’s the silly logic you’re applying here.

    • #77
  18. Gary Robbins 🚫 Banned
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    Austin Ruse (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    There are a bunch of arguments made about past treatment of Trump, with the Covington kids being thrown in also. I am not going to address them in this comment. I am going to address the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson that Trump attempted to force the GMC Suburban to go to the Capitol as this appears the issue most people are raising.

    Obviously, I wasn’t there. I didn’t see this incident. I was in Flagstaff on January 6, 2021. I wasn’t in Washington, D.C. I am relying on the testimony of the witnesses before the January 6th Committee. Unique perhaps among my fellow Ricochetti, I actually watched all of the January 6th Committee Hearings, including but not limited to the Cassidy Hutchison testimony under oath. Ms. Hutchison’s testimony was carefully crafted as to what it said and did not say.

    Ms. Hutchison did not say that Trump lunged towards the steering wheel. She said that Tony Ornato had told her of Trump lunging towards the steering wheel. She added that one of the secret service officers was present when Tony Ornato said this. The three most likely possibilities are as follows:

    The Three Alternatives

    First, Trump actually lunged at the steering wheel of the GMC Suburban, and Tony Ornato was accurate in what he told Cassidy Hutchinson. Of note, the presence of the secret service officer who was there, gives credance to this point of view.

    Second, Trump didn’t really lunge at the steering wheel of the GMC Suburban, and Tony Ornato either made it all up, or he fluffed up a true story to make it more dramatic.

    Third, Cassidy Hutchinson lied. Tony Ornato never told her about this story of lunging, or she inflated it for her purposes.

    It appears that the American Greatness crowd has choosen to believe the third scenario. I don’t. I think that the first two are much more likely.

    Two Questions to be Answered

    Here are the two questions that should be answered.

    First, what did Tony Ornato say to Cassidy Hutchinson? We have the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson under oath, now call Tony Ornato as a witness and ask him this directly under oath. And call the secret service officer who was there apparently both for the incident in the Suburban and Tony Ornato’s conversation with Cassidy Hutchinson, and confirm what Tony Ornato actually said or didn’t say to Cassidy Hutchinson.

    Second, what acrually happened? This information may or may not be available. The Secret Service has argued in the case of Bill Clinton that they can’t do their job of protecting the President if they can be called as witnesses. But make an attempt. There were apparently two witnesses in the vehicle, the driver and the other agent. Call them to testify. If they can testify, great. If they can’t testify, then that can’t be helped.

    Conclusion

    I found the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson to be riveting and compelling. It is a pity that we didn’t have a “9/11 style independent commission.” It is a pity that Kevin McCarthy pulled all 5 Republicans from the Select Committee in a pique of anger.

    But it is what it is. There is an increasing mountain of compelling evidence from members of the Trump Administration as follows:

    1. Trump knew that he lost the 2020 election, but chose to follow the advice of a drunk Rudy Guilani to deny election results.
    2. Trump repeatedly promoted this “Big Lie” and whipped up all of his supporters.
    3. Trump implored his supporters to come to Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021.
    4. Trump knew that the crowd included people with body armor, brass knuckles, bear spray and firearms, but said that they weren’t after him.
    5. Trump and the other speakers whipped the mob into a frenzy.
    6. Trump told the mob to go to the Capitol and said that he would join them.
    7. Tony Ornato told Cassidy Hutchinson that Trump had lunged for the steering wheel of the GMC Suburban.
    8. Trump was aware that the crowd was chanting “Hang Mike Pence” and Trump’s Chief of Staff Mark Meadows said that Trump agreed with the crowd.
    9. For 187 minutes, Trump refused to intervene and tell the mob to go home.

    Even if we discover that Tony Ornato lied to Cassidy Hutchinson in item 7, the other 8 points still remain, and not been sufficiently rebutted.

    What is wrong with getting his supporters to come to DC. Did you not know that such things are protected twice in the First Amendment?

    There is no right under the First Amendment to yell fire in a crowded theater.  

    See points 4-9 which you are ignoring.

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  19. Django Member
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    The Three Alternatives

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    Conclusion

    I found the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson to be riveting and compelling. It is a pity that we didn’t have a “9/11 style independent commission.” It is a pity that Kevin McCarthy pulled all 5 Republicans from the Select Committee in a pique of anger.

    But it is what it is. There is an increasing mountain of compelling evidence from members of the Trump Administration as follows:

    1. Trump knew that he lost the 2020 election, but chose to follow the advice of a drunk Rudy Guilani to deny election results.
    2. Trump repeatedly promoted this “Big Lie” and whipped up all of his supporters.
    3. Trump implored his supporters to come to Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021.
    4. Trump knew that the crowd included people with body armor, brass knuckles, bear spray and firearms, but said that they weren’t after him.
    5. Trump and the other speakers whipped the mob into a frenzy.
    6. Trump told the mob to go to the Capitol and said that he would join them.
    7. Tony Ornato told Cassidy Hutchinson that Trump had lunged for the steering wheel of the GMC Suburban.
    8. Trump was aware that the crowd was chanting “Hang Mike Pence” and Trump’s Chief of Staff Mark Meadows said that Trump agreed with the crowd.
    9. For 187 minutes, Trump refused to intervene and tell the mob to go home.

    Even if we discover that Tony Ornato lied to Cassidy Hutchinson in item 7, the other 8 points still remain, and not been sufficiently rebutted.

    What is wrong with getting his supporters to come to DC. Did you not know that such things are protected twice in the First Amendment?

    There is no right under the First Amendment to yell fire in a crowded theater.

    See points 4-9 which you are ignoring.

    Drew answered #9. Were you listening? 

     

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  20. Bob Thompson Member
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    There are a bunch of arguments made about past treatment of Trump, with the Covington kids being thrown in also. I am not going to address them in this comment. I am going to address the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson that Trump attempted to force the GMC Suburban to go to the Capitol as this appears the issue most people are raising.

    Obviously, I wasn’t there. I didn’t see this incident. I was in Flagstaff on January 6, 2021. I wasn’t in Washington, D.C. I am relying on the testimony of the witnesses before the January 6th Committee. Unique perhaps among my fellow Ricochetti, I actually watched all of the January 6th Committee Hearings, including but not limited to the Cassidy Hutchison testimony under oath. Ms. Hutchison’s testimony was carefully crafted as to what it said and did not say.

    Ms. Hutchison did not say that Trump lunged towards the steering wheel. She said that Tony Ornato had told her of Trump lunging towards the steering wheel. She added that one of the secret service officers was present when Tony Ornato said this. The three most likely possibilities are as follows:

    The Three Alternatives

    First, Trump actually lunged at the steering wheel of the GMC Suburban, and Tony Ornato was accurate in what he told Cassidy Hutchinson. Of note, the presence of the secret service officer who was there, gives credance to this point of view.

    Second, Trump didn’t really lunge at the steering wheel of the GMC Suburban, and Tony Ornato either made it all up, or he fluffed up a true story to make it more dramatic.

    Third, Cassidy Hutchinson lied. Tony Ornato never told her about this story of lunging, or she inflated it for her purposes.

    It appears that the American Greatness crowd has choosen to believe the third scenario. I don’t. I think that the first two are much more likely.

    Two Questions to be Answered

    Here are the two questions that should be answered.

    First, what did Tony Ornato say to Cassidy Hutchinson? We have the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson under oath, now call Tony Ornato as a witness and ask him this directly under oath. And call the secret service officer who was there apparently both for the incident in the Suburban and Tony Ornato’s conversation with Cassidy Hutchinson, and confirm what Tony Ornato actually said or didn’t say to Cassidy Hutchinson.

    Second, what acrually happened? This information may or may not be available. The Secret Service has argued in the case of Bill Clinton that they can’t do their job of protecting the President if they can be called as witnesses. But make an attempt. There were apparently two witnesses in the vehicle, the driver and the other agent. Call them to testify. If they can testify, great. If they can’t testify, then that can’t be helped.

    Conclusion

    I found the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson to be riveting and compelling. It is a pity that we didn’t have a “9/11 style independent commission.” It is a pity that Kevin McCarthy pulled all 5 Republicans from the Select Committee in a pique of anger.

    But it is what it is. There is an increasing mountain of compelling evidence from members of the Trump Administration as follows:

    1. Trump knew that he lost the 2020 election, but chose to follow the advice of a drunk Rudy Guilani to deny election results.
    2. Trump repeatedly promoted this “Big Lie” and whipped up all of his supporters.
    3. Trump implored his supporters to come to Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021.
    4. Trump knew that the crowd included people with body armor, brass knuckles, bear spray and firearms, but said that they weren’t after him.
    5. Trump and the other speakers whipped the mob into a frenzy.
    6. Trump told the mob to go to the Capitol and said that he would join them.
    7. Tony Ornato told Cassidy Hutchinson that Trump had lunged for the steering wheel of the GMC Suburban.
    8. Trump was aware that the crowd was chanting “Hang Mike Pence” and Trump’s Chief of Staff Mark Meadows said that Trump agreed with the crowd.
    9. For 187 minutes, Trump refused to intervene and tell the mob to go home.

    Even if we discover that Tony Ornato lied to Cassidy Hutchinson in item 7, the other 8 points still remain, and not been sufficiently rebutted.

    How do you know that Trump knew he lost the election?

    He was repeatedly told so by William Barr and his successor, as well as the Arizona and Georgia Republican Governors.

    @garyrobbins I don’t know how what you are doing with the above comment is termed in legalese but the point of your comment is the issue being contested so why would you act as if a statement by those on one side of that issue carries the day?

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  21. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf 🚫 Banned
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    There is no right under the First Amendment to yell fire in a crowded theater.  

    There is, actually.

    Are you sure you’re a lawyer?

     

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  22. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf 🚫 Banned
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    Django (View Comment):

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    See points 4-9 which you are ignoring.

    Drew answered #9. Were you listening?

    You can lead “Arizona Man” to facts, but you can’t make him think.

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    There is no right under the First Amendment to yell fire in a crowded theater.

    There is, actually.

    Are you sure you’re a lawyer?

     

    Remember, [standard comment the mods told me to stop using].

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  24. Django Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

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    See points 4-9 which you are ignoring.

    Drew answered #9. Were you listening?

    You can lead “Arizona Man” to facts, but you can’t make him think.

    “Arizona Man” is rapidly overtaking “Florida Man” as the national joke. 

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  25. Gary Robbins 🚫 Banned
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    • Trump knew that he lost the 2020 election, but chose to follow the advice of a drunk Rudy Guilani to deny election results.
    • Trump repeatedly promoted this “Big Lie” and whipped up all of his supporters.

    What was the Big Lie, Gary?

    Do you understand that “Trump won the 2020 election” could mean several different things?

    It could mean Trump was sworn in in January 2021–but no one believes that.

    It could mean that the election was rigged–which the Hemingway book demonstrates.

    It could mean that illegal actions flipped swing states–which is true, and if you disagree then I would like to see your objections to my analysis.

    It could mean that fraud as such flipped swing states–which is less clear, but at any rate likelier than not.

    What do you think Trump meant by it that was actually a lie?

    This is the core of my point.  An election being rigged is not the same as an election being stolen.  Democrats and Republicans have been trying to rig elections for centuries.  See Motor Voter, and the times that polls close for example.

    But there is no credible evidence according to William Barr of election fraud sufficient to change the election results.

    Query:  in 2000, did the Palm Beach County Democrat “rig” the election for W. to win Florida by 537 votes with their “butterfly” ballots, resulting in thousands of votes for Pat Buchanan?

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  26. Gary Robbins 🚫 Banned
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

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    What sworn evidence, if any, do you have for your argument?

    There’s more than one thing we do to secure higher probabilities that our conclusions are true. We have sworn testimony, we have proponents speaking for both sides, we have cross-examination, we have corroborating evidence, etc.

    You’re believing some sworn evidence in an investigative process that has no one speaking for the defense. The only corroborating evidence available has undermined the Hutchinson testimony.

    Those of us who doubt that the 2020 election was not legally won have settled on that view through a process of looking at the proponents speaking for both sides of the question. Even if there were a few Kraken sightings that didn’t pan out, we still have a whole bunch of corroborating evidence for our suspicions that massive illegalities including substantial fraud occurred. Sometimes–as with the outdoor dropboxes and Democracy in the Park being incompatible with Chapter 6, Section 855 of the laws of WI–we have no need for sworn testimony. Sometimes we do have sworn testimony.

    Who’s following the evidence?

    Gary Robbins will never respond honestly to any of your points. He never does. The man who puffs up about sworn testimony and posts other people’s stuff, never responds to anything that would undercut him.

    Thank you so much Bryan for your kind comments.

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  27. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf 🚫 Banned
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    But there is no credible evidence according to William Barr of election fraud sufficient to change the election results.

    Objection: Argumentum ad verecundiam.

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  28. Gary Robbins 🚫 Banned
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

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    Andrew Klavan did a podcast with Megan Kelly the other day. Klavan was certainly pro Trump policies, but never a big fan of Trump the man. Fair enough. But Klavan kept talking about the obnoxious Trump personality and the mean tweets, as if it were a fact taken for granted. I kept wanting Klavan to be more specific. Which tweets, exactly, did he find mean. What specifically were Trumps obnoxious traits? I would say narcissism, which is common in many high-level politicians, is one negative attribute I would associate with Trump. I always wished he would defer credit for his achievements more to his “team”. But the crazed hatred exhibited by most of his detractors always seemed to me to be a mirror image of the man they hated.

    I agree with you, but I am uncomfortable with the general use of narcissism to describe people like Trump. I know guys who are successful, compassionate and generous, and ballsy and ooze confidence. What’s the difference between confidence and success, and what we call narcissism?

    I think the difference is a narcissist takes all of the credit, almost all of the time. They may deserve the credit, but a gracious person lets others make that determination.

    Then, when Trump gave that speech at the border wall and pointed to the construction crew as having accomplished something great, that was him being not a narcissist?

    Yes. I think Trump was a great President. I do not think Trump is a perfect man.

    Thank goodness we don’t have the Dem standard of a perfect president.

    George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan came very close to be “perfect presidents.”

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  29. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    There is an increasing mountain of compelling evidence from members of the Trump Administration as follows:

    1. Trump knew that he lost the 2020 election, but chose to follow the advice of a drunk Rudy Guilani to deny election results.
    2. Trump repeatedly promoted this “Big Lie” and whipped up all of his supporters.
    3. Trump implored his supporters to come to Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021.
    4. Trump knew that the crowd included people with body armor, brass knuckles, bear spray and firearms, but said that they weren’t after him.
    5. Trump and the other speakers whipped the mob into a frenzy.
    6. Trump told the mob to go to the Capitol and said that he would join them.
    7. Tony Ornato told Cassidy Hutchinson that Trump had lunged for the steering wheel of the GMC Suburban.
    8. Trump was aware that the crowd was chanting “Hang Mike Pence” and Trump’s Chief of Staff Mark Meadows said that Trump agreed with the crowd.
    9. For 187 minutes, Trump refused to intervene and tell the mob to go home.

    Even if we discover that Tony Ornato lied to Cassidy Hutchinson in item 7, the other 8 points still remain, and not been sufficiently rebutted.

    ^ The Lies They Continue to Tell About Donald Trump ^

    I can’t believe you’re still clinging to the 187 minutes lie. That was exposed as a lie so long ago, it was found embedded in the fossil records.

    Well, I believe that it will be addressed at future hearings. What sworn evidence, if any, do you have for your argument?

    LOL! I’ve actually pointed this out to you several times. Go look at your archives, man. “Sworn evidence.” Puh-leeze.

    A link would be helpful, if you have one. But I am not going to hunt through my achives, when I have no memory of what you say that I said.

    You just said that you have no memory of what you said.

    He just ignores any information contrary to his story of Orange Man bad. He still believes the Charlottesville lie. I’d wager Gary still believes the Covington kids were at fault.

    Oh Bryan! No, I don’t believe that the Covington kids were at fault. My goodness, please get your facts straight. With all due respect, I believe that you suffer from GRDS.

    You believe so many things that are not true, it is hard to keep track.

    I don’t suffer from heartburn though.

    Nor do I.

    Concerning high blood pressure, there are victims, and there are carriers. I believe that it is better to give than receive.

    I don’t suffer from hypertension either. Seems like a nonsequiter. 

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  30. Gary Robbins 🚫 Banned
    Gary Robbins
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    Django (View Comment):

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    The Three Alternatives

    .

    Conclusion

    I found the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson to be riveting and compelling. It is a pity that we didn’t have a “9/11 style independent commission.” It is a pity that Kevin McCarthy pulled all 5 Republicans from the Select Committee in a pique of anger.

    But it is what it is. There is an increasing mountain of compelling evidence from members of the Trump Administration as follows:

    1. Trump knew that he lost the 2020 election, but chose to follow the advice of a drunk Rudy Guilani to deny election results.
    2. Trump repeatedly promoted this “Big Lie” and whipped up all of his supporters.
    3. Trump implored his supporters to come to Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021.
    4. Trump knew that the crowd included people with body armor, brass knuckles, bear spray and firearms, but said that they weren’t after him.
    5. Trump and the other speakers whipped the mob into a frenzy.
    6. Trump told the mob to go to the Capitol and said that he would join them.
    7. Tony Ornato told Cassidy Hutchinson that Trump had lunged for the steering wheel of the GMC Suburban.
    8. Trump was aware that the crowd was chanting “Hang Mike Pence” and Trump’s Chief of Staff Mark Meadows said that Trump agreed with the crowd.
    9. For 187 minutes, Trump refused to intervene and tell the mob to go home.

    Even if we discover that Tony Ornato lied to Cassidy Hutchinson in item 7, the other 8 points still remain, and not been sufficiently rebutted.

    What is wrong with getting his supporters to come to DC. Did you not know that such things are protected twice in the First Amendment?

    There is no right under the First Amendment to yell fire in a crowded theater.

    See points 4-9 which you are ignoring.

    Drew answered #9. Were you listening?

    The source Drew cited is not credible.  Let’s see what the testimony says before the January 6th Committee.

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