Deaths Could Be Attributed to Environmentalists

 

In Washington State, we have a number of dormant volcanoes in the Cascade Range, including the famous Mount St. Helens, Mt. Rainier, and Mt. Baker.  However, the most dangerous today is the little-known Glacier Peak in the north part of the state, northeast of our home in Everett.  The volcano is known to have erupted just 2,000 years ago, and even today it sometimes emits steam.  Seismologists place electronic monitors on dangerous volcanoes and then watch for clusters of little earthquakes that may signal an impending eruption (that was what happened in 1980 with St. Helens).

Recently, the US Forest Service was processing a request from local seismologists to install more monitors on Glacier Peak, described as the “most dangerous of Cascade volcanoes”, than just the one that has been there for years.  Glacier Peak is located in a wilderness area, and is not accessible enough for tourists to visit.  There were actually objections to the new monitors being placed on the mountain.  Who, you ask, would object to seismic monitors that might save thousands of people from being buried in volcanic mud in an eruption?

The objections came from the usual suspects-environmental groups who object to the helicopters that would be needed to carry scientists to the mountain to place the new monitors.  They always and everywhere object to helicopters in their precious wilderness, for any reason, even for the very short time it would take to install the monitors.  The “environmentalists” value the wilderness more than the many lives of people living in the affected area, and more than the scientists (real scientists!) who keep track of potential volcanic activity to protect the public.

It is fortunate that the Forest Service approved the placement of the new monitors, over the objections of the radicals who value trees more than people.

The U.S. Forest Service determined the project would have no significant impact on the environment. Two groups opposed the use of helicopters in a wilderness area. The Forest Service considered a “full range of alternatives” in making the decision to move forward. Crews carry equipment in backpacks, cutting down on flight time.

I visited the website of the US Geological Service, and they have wonderful maps and photos of the surrounding area, and a lahar diagram of where eruptions would cause the most damage.  The website has some spectacular photos, including this one of little peaks that show the columnar basalt produced when lave flows cool quickly.

The “environmental groups” should be ashamed of themselves for objecting to valuable scientific activity designed to warn people to evacuate if an eruption might be imminent.  And that volcano could do a lot more damage than a helicopter to their precious wilderness!

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  1. Arahant Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Watermelons. Green on the outside, red on the inside.

    I’m stealing this.

    Why not? I did.

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  2. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):

    I climbed Glacier Peak in the 1980s. It is a lovely area, beautiful and remote. My climbing partners and I were the only people on the mountain on those days (it took two days to complete the climb.) Why anyone would be concerned about scientists using a helicopter to get in and get out strikes me as absurd. I am sure those same “environmentalists” wouldn’t be bothered if Mountain Rescue had to use a helicopter to bring one of them out following an accident, something that isn’t uncommon on any of the glaciated volcanos in the Cascades. The very remoteness of the peak and the long approach would necessitate the use of a bird to bring out an injured climber. Just as a reference Mount Rainier is also in what is considered a national wilderness area. As a member of Mountain Rescue Council I flew into the National Park to retrieve injured climbers from the slopes of Rainier. I don’t recall anyone complaining about a helicopter flying into the Wilderness on those occasions.

    Glacier Peak is pretty much smack-dab in the middle of the Glacier Peak Wilderness Area. Keeping a weather eye on any seismic activity on this 10,000 foot peak is certainly justification for the use of a helicopter and remote sensors.

    I was thinking the same thoughts, that when an environmentalist is out hiking or skiing or rappelling on some major slope, the helicopters are called out to rescue that person should  they become lost or hurt.

     

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  3. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Why can’t I “Like” this post? The option is not there

    It appears that when the post has been recommended, it can’t be liked until it is promoted. This is a theory.

    It is on the main feed now.

    I suspect a coding problem, perhaps only with certain browsers.

    Do you mean “browser” the software or “browser” the person operating the software?  Clarity, man!

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  4. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    RightAngles (View Comment):
    They do. I mean Man occurs in Nature too, just like any white-tailed deer or antelope, but they act like we’re a deadly virus from Outer Space.  In grade school, they taught my daughter that the Earth was a pristine place until filthy old Man came along and ruined it.  And then the teacher followed that with Self-Esteem Hour (not even kidding).  They wouldn’t NEED Self-Esteem Hour if you hadn’t made them feel guilty and bad for being born, ya dumb hippie

    I reckon that for some non-religious people, this is a way to get in on some good old-fashioned original-sin guilt.

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  5. Jimmy Carter Member
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    Tell Them Yer putting the monitors on windmills.

    The motion should pass then.

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  6. Arahant Member
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):
    Do you mean “browser” the software or “browser” the person operating the software?  Clarity, man!

    No comment. Sometimes clarity is unwanted.

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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):
    Do you mean “browser” the software or “browser” the person operating the software? Clarity, man!

    No comment. Sometimes clarity is unwanted.

    Too late.  I provided the missing clarity on your behalf.  The subject will notice. (:

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    Percival (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Why can’t I “Like” this post? The option is not there

    It appears that when the post has been recommended, it can’t be liked until it is promoted. This is a theory.

    No, when my posts have been recommended, they keep getting likes for days without being promoted.  :)

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    Why can’t I “Like” this post? The option is not there

    It appears that when the post has been recommended, it can’t be liked until it is promoted. This is a theory.

    It is on the main feed now.

    I suspect a coding problem, perhaps only with certain browsers.

    Do you mean “browser” the software or “browser” the person operating the software? Clarity, man!

    Browser the deer.

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  10. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    The WSJ tech columnist named her dog Browser.

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  11. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):

    I climbed Glacier Peak in the 1980s. It is a lovely area, beautiful and remote. My climbing partners and I were the only people on the mountain on those days (it took two days to complete the climb.) Why anyone would be concerned about scientists using a helicopter to get in and get out strikes me as absurd. I am sure those same “environmentalists” wouldn’t be bothered if Mountain Rescue had to use a helicopter to bring one of them out following an accident, something that isn’t uncommon on any of the glaciated volcanos in the Cascades. The very remoteness of the peak and the long approach would necessitate the use of a bird to bring out an injured climber. Just as a reference Mount Rainier is also in what is considered a national wilderness area. As a member of Mountain Rescue Council I flew into the National Park to retrieve injured climbers from the slopes of Rainier. I don’t recall anyone complaining about a helicopter flying into the Wilderness on those occasions.

    Glacier Peak is pretty much smack-dab in the middle of the Glacier Peak Wilderness Area. Keeping a weather eye on any seismic activity on this 10,000 foot peak is certainly justification for the use of a helicopter and remote sensors.

    I was thinking the same thoughts, that when an environmentalist is out hiking or skiing or rappelling on some major slope, the helicopters are called out to rescue that person should they become lost or hurt.

    Most rescues involve carrying out the victim, but the approach to Glacier Peak is long and steep. A carry out would be a nasty undertaking. However, one stipulation, helicopters are never used for the removal of bodies. The dead do have to be carried out by teams. On non-technical terrain we are often assisted by Explorer Search and Rescue groups, but when the terrain is technical, requiring ropes, etc., it is done solely by Mountain Rescue personnel. In the National Parks Mountain Rescue handles the recoveries and rescues, but the press is always told it was park rangers who did the rescue. Rangers are present, but there are never sufficient numbers of trained park personnel to do the job.

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  12. Miffed White Male Member
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):
    However, one stipulation, helicopters are never used for the removal of bodies. The dead do have to be carried out by teams.

    why?

     

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  13. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):
    However, one stipulation, helicopters are never used for the removal of bodies. The dead do have to be carried out by teams.

    why?

     

    Speed is no longer needed.

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  14. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Watermelons. Green on the outside, red on the inside.

    I’m stealing this.

    Why not? I did.

    It’s a decades-old epithet. Evergreen, you might say.

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  15. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):
    I am sure those same “environmentalists” wouldn’t be bothered if Mountain Rescue had to use a helicopter to bring one of them out following an accident

    But of course: Other people are a Plague Upon the Planet, but they are special.

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  16. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):
    I am sure those same “environmentalists” wouldn’t be bothered if Mountain Rescue had to use a helicopter to bring one of them out following an accident

    But of course: Other people are a Plague Upon the Planet, but they are special.

    I love when a Greenie espouses the notion that the planet would be healthier if only 2 billion people were on it.

    It’s fun to rebuke them with how nothing is preventing them from being the first one to willingly join up with the necessary fatalities.

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  17. Spin Inactive
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):
    I am sure those same “environmentalists” wouldn’t be bothered if Mountain Rescue had to use a helicopter to bring one of them out following an accident

    But of course: Other people are a Plague Upon the Planet, but they are special.

    I love when a Greenie espouses the notion that the planet would be healthier if only 2 billion people were on it.

    It’s fun to rebuke them with how nothing is preventing them from being the first one to willingly join up with the necessary fatalities.

    The jokes on you, see.  They aren’t the ones causing all the trouble.  ;-)

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  18. Arahant Member
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    Spin (View Comment):
    They aren’t the ones causing all the trouble.

    Says them.

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