Climate Change Casual Conversation

 

Have you had the Climate Change Casual Conversation? I have had it three times with three different people, involuntarily, over the last two months. And I do not have a lot of casual conversations because I generally keep to myself.

The first one happened in an AT&T phone store. I was sitting next to an elderly lady and she turned to me and declared (politely) that we are doing things to ruin the planet. She did not mention climate change but I knew what she meant. Maybe she thought I would ask her what she did mean, but I did not want to hear the boilerplate climate “emergency” garbage that is so ubiquitous today.  I did not respond though in retrospect I should have mentioned that her cell phone contained rare earth metals and that extracting them from the ground was hurting the environment. But I didn’t. It was a casual conversation after all.

My latest Climate Change Casual Conversation was with a Board member of our organization. We were at our own fundraiser and this was my first opportunity to get to know him. We were concerned about the weather. Our fundraiser is held outside and the weather had been bad for quite a while. I have to take responsibility for allowing him to bring up the subject of climate change because I mentioned the weather. I opened the door to a Climate Change Casual Conversation. It is not a good idea to talk about the weather with some people. Weather becomes climate in conversations much quicker than in nature.

I mentioned to him that a low-pressure system had stalled off the coast and had been sending us a lot of rain. He then tried to explain to me in a pseudo-scientific way that climate change caused this to happen. You would think that it never happened before, but of course, it had — many times. There was nothing unusual about low pressures hanging around off the coast. Even if it had been unusual, it would not mean that climate change had anything to do with it. But once again I did not respond. I did not tell him that in some northern climes grapes grew and wine was made during the Middle Ages but that you cannot do that today because it is too cold.

Oh, I believe that the climate changing. In fact, I believe it has always changed. It seems to go in cycles over hundreds of years. But I did not tell him that because, after all, it was a casual conversation.

Beware the Climate Change Casual Conversation.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    At the first hint that an acquaintance might go there, I like to poison the air by bemoaning the lack of correlation between the models and reality, and how the masses will never be convinced with such shoddy science.

    And leave ambiguous my opinion on whether that latter is good or bad.

    I often get a nod and a new topic of conversation.

    I don’t think I could do that, and leave a potential lunatic with any impression that I might agree with their lunacy.

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  2. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    At the first hint that an acquaintance might go there, I like to poison the air by bemoaning the lack of correlation between the models and reality, and how the masses will never be convinced with such shoddy science.

    And leave ambiguous my opinion on whether that latter is good or bad.

    I often get a nod and a new topic of conversation.

    I don’t think I could do that, and leave a potential lunatic with any impression that I might agree with their lunacy.

    Oh, but that becomes part of the future fun, if I need to throw them under the bus.

    The non-lunatics generally figure out my position.

    And if challenged, I’ll lay it all out, and blame them for bring it up.

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  3. Cassandro Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Actually, I think it can be a lot of fun.

    First thing is not to disagree with them.

    The first thing to do with anyone is to define terms. Without common terminology any conversation is just an exercise in frustration.

    I don’t think agreement is possible.

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  4. Cassandro Coolidge
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    At the first hint that an acquaintance might go there, I like to poison the air by bemoaning the lack of correlation between the models and reality, and how the masses will never be convinced with such shoddy science.

    And leave ambiguous my opinion on whether that latter is good or bad.

    I often get a nod and a new topic of conversation.

    You mean like, “Oh!  My!  I can’t believe anyone disbelieves it!  But the science is so shoddy, worked up for effect, so fudged and whitewashed that we’ll never be able to convince anyone who doesn’t believe it already.  We’re doomed by the stupid graphs and scientific graft when the weather is staring us right in the face right now!”

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    At the first hint that an acquaintance might go there, I like to poison the air by bemoaning the lack of correlation between the models and reality, and how the masses will never be convinced with such shoddy science.

    And leave ambiguous my opinion on whether that latter is good or bad.

    I often get a nod and a new topic of conversation.

    You mean like, “Oh! My! I can’t believe anyone disbelieves it! But the science is so shoddy, worked up for effect, so fudged and whitewashed that we’ll never be able to convince anyone who doesn’t believe it already. We’re doomed by the stupid graphs and scientific graft when the weather is staring us right in the face right now!”

    I’d use that, if I could remember it.  But it’s too much work, so I just think – or maybe say, depending – “Idiot!” and walk away.

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  6. Cassandro Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    At the first hint that an acquaintance might go there, I like to poison the air by bemoaning the lack of correlation between the models and reality, and how the masses will never be convinced with such shoddy science.

    And leave ambiguous my opinion on whether that latter is good or bad.

    I often get a nod and a new topic of conversation.

    You mean like, “Oh! My! I can’t believe anyone disbelieves it! But the science is so shoddy, worked up for effect, so fudged and whitewashed that we’ll never be able to convince anyone who doesn’t believe it already. We’re doomed by the stupid graphs and scientific graft when the weather is staring us right in the face right now!”

    I’d use that, if I could remember it. But it’s too much work, so I just think – or maybe say, depending – “Idiot!” and walk away.

    Well, I can’t remember it either.

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  7. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Gossamer Cat (View Comment):

    Sometimes a cold is just a cold

    Sometimes a hurricane is just a hurricane

    Sometimes a voting law is just a voting law

    Sometimes a hot summer is just a hot summer

    Sometimes an election is just an election

     

    Ah, I remember those days before everything was a sign of the looming apocalypse. It is exhausting and frightening to live as a progressive or one of their acolytes. We should pity them, but gently challenge them. They have to see its OK to take things in stride.

    Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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