Ukraine War: Putin Needed Biden

 

We were told that Trump was Putin’s stooge. That his election was the result of “Russian Collusion.” Never mind the sanctions or lack of evidence, Trump was Putin’s preferred president, right?

Well, according to former national security official Fiona Hill, Putin waited until Trump left office before invading Ukraine. Hill, who previously testified against Trump in his impeachment hearing, said of Putin:

He thought that somebody like Biden, who’s a transatlanticist, who knows all about NATO, who actually knows where Ukraine is, and actually knows something about the history, and is very steeped in international affairs, would be the right person to engage with as opposed to somebody that you have to explain everything to all the time, honestly.

What I find interesting is that Hill sounds like she is making an attack on Trump when really she is saying that Putin believes he can get away with more under Biden. He felt he could get a better deal from Biden than Trump. Hill is telling all those folks who changed their social media avatars to include the Ukrainian flag, “Were it not for Biden, there wouldn’t even be a war in Ukraine.”

I think we all knew that to be true, but it is fun to hear a Biden supporter admit it, intentionally or not.

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  1. kedavis Member
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    Vance Richards: I think we all knew that to be true, but it is fun to hear a Biden supporter admit it, intentionally or not.

    But only people capable of at least second-level thinking will understand the admission.  Everyone else will think she’s “justifiably” slagging on Trump, still.

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  2. Bob Thompson Member
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    Vance Richards: He thought that somebody like Biden, who’s a transatlanticist, who knows all about NATO, who actually knows where Ukraine is, and actually knows something about the history, and is very steeped in international affairs

    That’s Fiona Hill’s quote and it is really disheartening when it is not amusing to realize that we have people in important foreign policy positions who are willing to make statements like the above. One thing I have a sense of certainty that FJB actually does have intimate knowledge of is who benefits from the American dollars flowing through Ukraine.

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  3. Doctor Robert Member
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    It’s too f-cking simple.

    Under W, who is sympathetic to Putin: Putin takes Donbas

    Under B Hussein, who is sycophantic to Putin: Putin takes Crimea.

    Under Trump, who is antagonistic to Putin: Putin takes nothing

    Under Biden, who is bought off by Putin and whose first acts as POTUS serve to enrich and encourage Putin: Putin attacks all of Ukraine.

    Mr Trump had that bad boy on a leash.  Mr Biden is owned by Russia and did everything he could to encourage the war.  He is also owned by Ukraine and China, so it must have been difficult to decide which side to favor.

    We need more Trumps and fewer W’s, B. Husseins and Bidens.

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  4. Cassandro Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    Right.

    Trump: Why can’t we use nukes?

    Putin: How can I explain this?

     

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  5. Vance Richards Member
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

     

    Under Trump, who is antagonistic to Putin: Putin takes nothing

    Yeah, we are supposed to believe that inflation is caused by greedy corporations who somehow forgot to be greedy during the Trump years. Then, of course, Putin forgot that he wanted to take over the Ukraine until after Trump left office. Some are willing to believe that rather than admit that things were better under Trump.

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  6. Vance Richards Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Vance Richards: I think we all knew that to be true, but it is fun to hear a Biden supporter admit it, intentionally or not.

    But only people capable of at least second-level thinking will understand the admission. Everyone else will think she’s “justifiably” slagging on Trump, still.

    That is the funny part to me. She is so focused on bashing Trump that she doesn’t even realize what she is saying about Biden.

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  7. kedavis Member
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Vance Richards: I think we all knew that to be true, but it is fun to hear a Biden supporter admit it, intentionally or not.

    But only people capable of at least second-level thinking will understand the admission. Everyone else will think she’s “justifiably” slagging on Trump, still.

    That is the funny part to me. She is so focused on bashing Trump that she doesn’t even realize what she is saying about Biden.

    And neither will at least 99% of her viewers.

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  8. Cassandro Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Vance Richards: I think we all knew that to be true, but it is fun to hear a Biden supporter admit it, intentionally or not.

    But only people capable of at least second-level thinking will understand the admission. Everyone else will think she’s “justifiably” slagging on Trump, still.

    That is the funny part to me. She is so focused on bashing Trump that she doesn’t even realize what she is saying about Biden.

    And neither will at least 99% of her viewers.

    Sure, but what actually is first level thinking?  Is there any way to cast this in a good light?  Like perhaps saying, Putin waited for Beiden to be president because under Beiden he would get a better negotiated peace agreement?

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  9. kedavis Member
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    Cassandro (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Vance Richards: I think we all knew that to be true, but it is fun to hear a Biden supporter admit it, intentionally or not.

    But only people capable of at least second-level thinking will understand the admission. Everyone else will think she’s “justifiably” slagging on Trump, still.

    That is the funny part to me. She is so focused on bashing Trump that she doesn’t even realize what she is saying about Biden.

    And neither will at least 99% of her viewers.

    Sure, but what actually is first level thinking? Is there any way to cast this in a good light? Like perhaps saying, Putin waited for Beiden to be president because under Beiden he would get a better negotiated peace agreement?

    Dunno, but some people even believe that gas and other fuel/energy prices starting to climb, right after election day 2020, is somehow Trump’s fault, not Biden’s.

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  10. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    Mr Trump had that bad boy on a leash.  Mr Biden is owned by Russia and did everything he could to encourage the war.  He is also owned by Ukraine and China, so it must have been difficult to decide which side to favor.

    Ukraine was never intended to be more than another Crimea for Biden. Thus his statement about how he wouldn’t do anything if Russia did a “minor incursion.” I think he was surprised that Ukraine put up a fight. Which forced him to pick a side. And given that Ukraine is the world’s money laundromat, he picked the side that would allow him to cash in.

     

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  11. Doctor Robert Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    Mr Trump had that bad boy on a leash. Mr Biden is owned by Russia and did everything he could to encourage the war. He is also owned by Ukraine and China, so it must have been difficult to decide which side to favor.

    Ukraine was never intended to be more than another Crimea for Biden. Thus his statement about how he wouldn’t do anything if Russia did a “minor incursion.” I think he was surprised that Ukraine put up a fight. Which forced him to pick a side. And given that Ukraine is the world’s money laundromat, he picked the side that would allow him to cash in.

     

    That’s a reasonable analysis.

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  12. Unsk Member
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    This is the Biden Crime Family’s Proxy War, demanded by their puppet masters.

    Biden provoked this war, no doubt about it. He repeatedly from almost day one in his administration  encouraged Ukraine to push for NATO membership which everyone with a brain in the foreign policy establishment knew was a very sensitive “Red Line” not to crossed within the Russian Government and Russian Military, not just Putin. This is not Putin’s war. In his political context, he really had no choice to act.

    But worse than that,  this apparently was always going to be a proxy war of America vs Russia, and one can only surmise what is the reason.

    Why are we provoking the Russian Nuclear Bear in a War that could end mankind? We are we even talking about special battlefield nukes in this war?

    Why early on did we threaten to hack Russia, knowing full well we could lose a lot more from a massive Russian led hack of us?

    Why are we targeting Russian Generals for death? What if Putin decided to go Tit for Tat and target not only our Generals, but the Commie Democrat/Never Trumpers pushing this war?

    It is now known that American Military Trainers and intelligence operatives were in Ukraine before day one of this war, which begs the question or perhaps answers the question why we are in this war.

    This war clearly does not serve America’s interests. The American Public is taking  a shellacking financially and may never recover. America’s world leadership role in finance has been  ripped apart. This war is breaking critical supply chains around the world which could easily lead to millions of deaths and a ruination of the  world economy. Many, many  could literally starve. The real truth be known is  that only the “Great Reset” influenced countries in Europe and North America are supporting this war; the rest of the world is going “What the Hell?”, and btw Russia is arguably in better financial shape than before the war with Russia’s oil revenues more than doubling and the Ruble rocketing higher and stronger than it was ever before.

    So why bring the populace of America and Europe to it’s knees?

    One could only surmise that the powers behind the throne in America and Europe want to break the public and push them into begging to be saved by some hyped “Great Reset”  salvation.  That is the only reason for this war that makes sense.

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  13. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    Unsk (View Comment):

    This is the Biden Crime Family’s Proxy War, demanded by their puppet masters.

    Biden provoked this war, no doubt about it. He repeatedly from almost day one in his administration encouraged Ukraine to push for NATO membership which everyone with a brain in the foreign policy establishment knew was a very sensitive “Red Line” not to crossed within the Russian Government and Russian Military, not just Putin. This is not Putin’s war. In his political context, he really had no choice to act.

    But worse than that, this apparently was always going to be a proxy war of America vs Russia, and one can only surmise what is the reason.

    Why are we provoking the Russian Nuclear Bear in a War that could end mankind? We are we even talking about special battlefield nukes in this war?

    Why early on did we threaten to hack Russia, knowing full well we could lose a lot more from a massive Russian led hack of us?

    Why are we targeting Russian Generals for death? What if Putin decided to go Tit for Tat and target not only our Generals, but the Commie Democrat/Never Trumpers pushing this war?

    It is now known that American Military Trainers and intelligence operatives were in Ukraine before day one of this war, which begs the question or perhaps answers the question why we are in this war.

    This war clearly does not serve America’s interests. The American Public is taking a shellacking financially and may never recover. America’s leadership role in finance has ripped apart. This war is breaking critical supply chains around the world which could easily lead to millions of deaths and a ruination of the world economy. Many, many could literally starve. The real truth be known is that only the “Great Reset” influenced countries in Europe and North America are supporting this war; the rest of the world is going “What the Hell?”, and btw Russia is arguably in better financial shape than before the war with Russia’s oil revenues more than doubling and the Ruble rocketing higher and stronger than it was ever before.

    So why bring the populace of America and Europe to it’s knees?

    One could only surmise that the powers behind the throne in America and Europe want to break the public and push them into begging to be saved by some hyped “Great Reset” salvation. That is the only reason for this war that makes sense.

    The entire Davos crowd needs to be assassinated to save the world. Heck, if Lindsey Graham can call for assassinations, so can I. Assassinate the WEF. All of them, and everyone associated with them. I realize that’ll take out Trudeau and Zelenskyy, but Oh Well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  14. Unsk Member
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    A Corollary to my earlier post:

    Why Russia?

    Because the Davos Puppetmasters control Big Media, Big Finance, Big Tech, Big Pharma etc and are    trying to gain sufficient  leverage to  deny service to anyone who defies their grab for total authority.

    But the huge weak point in this power grab  in this time  of puppet master engineered  fairly princess make believe QE currencies, is that a country that supplies key commodities to the world, like oil, gas, fertilizer, grain and other key raw materials  like gold, could in a time of crisis mightily disrupt this grab for power, and so that country must  be brought to heel  for the power grab to work. And there is such a country and that country is Russia.

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  15. Bishop Wash Member
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

     

    Under Trump, who is antagonistic to Putin: Putin takes nothing

    Yeah, we are supposed to believe that inflation is caused by greedy corporations who somehow forgot to be greedy during the Trump years. Then, of course, Putin forgot that he wanted to take over the Ukraine until after Trump left office. Some are willing to believe that rather than admit that things were better under Trump.

    I find frustrating the Lefties asking, “Can you imagine Ukraine if Trump was in charge?”.  I don’t have to imagine. He was President for four years and Putin didn’t do anything.  Also, how was Trump Putin’s puppet but Putin didn’t make any advances on other countries while his puppet was in charge?

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  16. Cassandro Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    Mr Trump had that bad boy on a leash. Mr Biden is owned by Russia and did everything he could to encourage the war. He is also owned by Ukraine and China, so it must have been difficult to decide which side to favor.

    Ukraine was never intended to be more than another Crimea for Biden. Thus his statement about how he wouldn’t do anything if Russia did a “minor incursion.” I think he was surprised that Ukraine put up a fight. Which forced him to pick a side. And given that Ukraine is the world’s money laundromat, he picked the side that would allow him to cash in.

    I don’t know what Beiden was thinking, or even if he was thinking instead of parroting.  But I viewed his statement about minor incursions as (1) a strategic error, and (2) saying that he would not bring the US to war footing with minor border squabbles.

    At the same time, however he was talking about an invasion of Russia into Ukraine, which would presumably cause him to put the US on a war footing, and part of this would be (ill-thought-out) economic sanctions.  (I can only guess how Germany was trying to interpret these threats when they heard of them.)

    I do think that Beiden always had a side — as superficially and politically-expedient as it may have been: Ukraine was his play ground, and Russia was a convenient propaganda boogeyman.  I haven’t seen or heard anything within Beiden’s speeches that indicate anything deep or knowledgeable about Russia.

    This being said, I have a hard time believing that Beiden is actually involved with any planning or preparations for anything, either strategically or short-term.

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  17. Cassandro Coolidge
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    Unsk (View Comment):
    The real truth be known is  that only the “Great Reset” influenced countries in Europe and North America are supporting this war

    You noticed that, too?

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  18. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    It’s too f-cking simple.

    Under W, who is sympathetic to Putin: Putin takes Donbas

    Under B Hussein, who is sycophantic to Putin: Putin takes Crimea.

    Under Trump, who is antagonistic to Putin: Putin takes nothing

    Under Biden, who is bought off by Putin and whose first acts as POTUS serve to enrich and encourage Putin: Putin attacks all of Ukraine.

    Mr Trump had that bad boy on a leash. Mr Biden is owned by Russia and did everything he could to encourage the war. He is also owned by Ukraine and China, so it must have been difficult to decide which side to favor.

    We need more Trumps and fewer W’s, B. Husseins and Bidens.

    I think you are incorrect about Donbas.  That was in 2014, as was Crimea, after the coup.

    2008 was Georgia.

    Trump left Putin alone.  No announcements about Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO, which was the provocation in 2008 and 2021.  No coup, which was the provocation in 2014.

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  19. Zafar Member
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    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Right.

    Trump: Why can’t we use nukes?

    Putin: How can I explain this?

     

    Please use an analogy that involves Happy Meals.

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  20. Zafar Member
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    duplicate post

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  21. Cassandro Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Right.

    Trump: Why can’t we use nukes?

    Putin: How can I explain this?

    Please use an analogy that involves Happy Meals.

    The thing is, this question is the one that’s never asked; and those who don’t ask it think the answer is obvious, but it’s not.

    If Putin were privy to a transcript of this conversation, he would immediately begin crafting a self-serving answer, one that justified Russian use of nukes; he would start by asking himself if Trump already had an answer and was testing his advisors, or if he didn’t have an answer and was seeking to know the answer.  The obvious part for Putin is to craft and promote an answer that on the one hand broadly prohibits the use of nukes, but leaves open the use of nukes under specific seemingly rational circumstances; leaving open the threat of Russia using nukes.

    Meanwhile within his answer, Putin would be attempting to answer his own question: Does Trump actually want to use nukes, and if so, under what circumstances.

    Putin’s unbidden answer to Trump would be something along the lines of: Of course, no one should ever use nukes, and Russia has no intention of ever doing so.  But if we did choose to use them, the United States would lose, and lose badly.

    And then, yes, Putin would bring out a Happy Meal, and Trump would insist that Putin order the meat loaf and would offer him a can of diet coke.

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  22. kedavis Member
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    Diet Coke with meat loaf?  Please!

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  23. Cassandro Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Diet Coke with meat loaf? Please!

    How about a nice tan wine.  I bottled it myself.  It’s the only wine that goes with cream of rutabaga soup.  (h/t Mad Mag., their send-up of tv show Cannon, don’t know what year)

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  24. Unsk Member
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    Jerry: Trump left Putin alone.  No announcements about Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO, which was the provocation in 2008 and 2021.  No coup, which was the provocation in 2014.

    Jerry,  is that really you? You are exactly right.  Trump knew enough not to poke the Russian Bear. 

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  25. kedavis Member
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    Cassandro (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Diet Coke with meat loaf? Please!

    How about a nice tan wine. I bottled it myself. It’s the only wine that goes with cream of rutabaga soup. (h/t Mad Mag., their send-up of tv show Cannon, don’t know what year)

    Why not something Australian?

     

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  26. kedavis Member
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    Unsk (View Comment):

    Jerry: Trump left Putin alone. No announcements about Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO, which was the provocation in 2008 and 2021. No coup, which was the provocation in 2014.

    Jerry, is that really you? You are exactly right. Trump knew enough not to poke the Russian Bear.

    Or maybe Putin knew enough to not poke the Trump bear?

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  27. The Reticulator Member
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    Unsk (View Comment):

    Jerry: Trump left Putin alone. No announcements about Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO, which was the provocation in 2008 and 2021. No coup, which was the provocation in 2014.

    Jerry, is that really you? You are exactly right. Trump knew enough not to poke the Russian Bear.

    Trump moved more American troops into Poland. You can think of it as poking the Russian bear.  Poland was asking for even more, of course. 

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  28. James Lileks Contributor
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Why not something Australian?

    This is not whoyne for dranking. This is a whoyne for lying dawn and avoiding

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  29. James Lileks Contributor
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    The interesting thing about the Blame-America-First elements of the Right is that they mirror the same argument of the Left: other lands, other cultures, other countries, have no agency, no history, no local considerations. They’re just reeds, easily uprooted, blown back and forth by manipulative gusts from the West. 

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  30. Zafar Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    The interesting thing about the Blame-America-First elements of the Right is that they mirror the same argument of the Left: other lands, other cultures, other countries, have no agency, no history, no local considerations. They’re just reeds, easily uprooted, blown back and forth by manipulative gusts from the West.

    Other countries are also diverse, so there are often more than one set of agendas battling it out.  Which one gets superpower support, which one doesn’t, this matters.

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