Woke Star Trek: World War 3 Started on January 6

 

Star Trek: Brave New Worlds was supposed to be the show that fixed all the many, many problems of Star Trek: Discovery (STD). Specifically, STD represented a fully woke version of Trek, entirely focused on a Messianic minority female lead, with the established history of the Trek universe retconned, coupled with dark, dreary, and nonsensical storylines about time-traveling “red angels” and all the dilithium in the universe exploding because an alien was sad or something.  (Red Letter Media nailed STD.) STD capped this off by casting Stacey Abrams as the president of United Earth. (Eyeroll)

Producers supposedly developed the series in response to fans’ demand for more episodic shows that were more in line with the original Star Trek vision of an optimistic future. The premier episode of STSNW featured Captain Christopher Pike explaining to an alien race how World War 3 began on Earth. It apparently was MAGA that started it.

Pike then says he is going to show the leaders their future and the video cuts to what appears to be the Save America Rally, where thousands of supporters of President Donald Trump rallied at the Ellipse in Washington, DC on January 6, 2021. Pike narrates and says, “Our conflict also started with a fight for freedoms,” as in the montage, people are holding American flags, Trump flags and signs, allegedly from the rally, that say “audit the vote” and criticize Joe Biden, COVID restrictions and the MRNA vaccine.

The next image is a noose hanging from gallows in front of the US Capitol, which was spotted during the riot. Pike says, “We called it the Second Civil War,” as the scene then flashes to what appears to be a social justice march in New York City. Thousands can be seen holding signs including ones that say, “no justice, no peace,” and “in union there is strength.”

Pike continues “Then the Eugenics War,” referencing Star Trek timeline events, as the scene then flashes back to the Jan riot at the US Capitol where people in MAGA gear can be seen scuffling with officers as Pike says, “and finally, World War Three.”

A brief glimpse of what appears to be a left-wing riot in the streets of a city can then be seen before Pike says, “This was our last day, when Earth we knew ceased to exist,” before the video shows nuclear explosions destroying cities around the world.

Are your eyes rolling back so far in your head you can see your medulla oblongata? They should be.

Woke television can work. The 100 was seven seasons of feminist and LGBT empowerment (obviously, post-apocalyptic tribes of barbarians would choose petite teenage lesbians as their leaders,), ridiculously stupid science, and at the end, blatantly ripping off ideas from Stargate SG-1. But it worked because the writers kept the story moving. Modern Star Trek isn’t written or produced by people who love science fiction, it’s written by woke soap opera writers who think the only way to give a character depth is to give them some dark internal trauma to struggle with. And they think the only way to make a point about contemporary social issues is to slam them into your skull with a rainbow-striped sledgehammer yielded by a pair of ham fists.

The old Trek episode with Frank Gorshin running around in half-black and half-white make-up like one of those cookies seems like a masterwork of subtlety and nuance in comparison.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Metalheaddoc (View Comment):

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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

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    Star Trek Next Generation was embarrassing in its utopian views, and willingness to allow other cultures to live in misery or die because of a stupid reading of the “Prime Directive.”

    Star Trek Babylon Five Deep Space Nine was a mystical soap opera.

    Stat Trek Lost in Space Voyager was all about a crazed captain that wanted to kill her crew and destroy her ship in nearly every episode (indeed, her suicidal drive was the starting point of the show). If I were on her crew, I’d have killed her at the first opportunity.

    Star Trek Enterprise was a good idea, again plagued by the stupid prime directive, but mostly it was just bad writing.

    All of these had some good points but had a lot of potential that was missed.

    Star Trek Picard and Star Trek Discovery are simply unwatchable.

    I . . . I liked Picard.

    And of course, one shall not disrespect Deep Space Nine in my presence! Have at you!

    Rewatching it recently I realized that quite a bit of it is decidedly unwoke. And Classic Trek may have been “liberal” for its time, but it was the right kind of liberal. It’s so wonderfully American.

    Yes, the liberalism was muscular JFK gun-boat diplomacy … Not the tepid liberalism of Jimmy Carter.

    Deep Space 9 was at least a step back from the socialist utopia of TNG. It had money, trade and economy.

    Star Trek Enterprise had many faults – however – it did not have a prime directive because the federation was not founded until the shows final episode…

    I am sure someone somewhere had to like Picard … Star Trek:Pulp Fiction, just needs Mace Windu to pop in to say his favorite word a few times to round out the vulgarity. Maybe in season 3.

    DS9 was also the only time that religion was treated respectfully. Normally Star Trek treated religion as something a society outgrew as it advanced. Religion was for primitive societies. The Bajorans were the first advanced society that had religion as a centerpiece of society and it wasn’t mocked by the writers.

    Except in a way, the Bajorans didn’t really have a “religion” because the Prophets didn’t actually create the Bajorans, they were just “wormhole aliens.”

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  2. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Patrick Stewart announced even before the show began production, that it was going to be hard left.

    Yes, I saw those interviews. Trump derangement syndrome destroyed what was left of their drug addled minds.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    You beat me to it. lolz.

    You where so taken aback by the “Orange man still bad” narrative that you missed the all awesome female bridge crew operating the Enterprise?

    So “female” is a thing again in a couple centuries? I can’t wait.

    Literally, you can’t.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    It’s like they don’t know who is president, and who is actually fomenting global violence, and causing food shortages…

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  5. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

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    You beat me to it. lolz.

    You where so taken aback by the “Orange man still bad” narrative that you missed the all awesome female bridge crew operating the Enterprise?

    So “female” is a thing again in a couple centuries? I can’t wait.

    Female – no women.

    They will probably molt into creatures that appear entirely different.  In our day caterpillars become butterflies.  In the future Star Treck world, this female crew will probably turn into something ugly. 

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    You beat me to it. lolz.

    You where so taken aback by the “Orange man still bad” narrative that you missed the all awesome female bridge crew operating the Enterprise?

    So “female” is a thing again in a couple centuries? I can’t wait.

    Female – no women.

    They will probably molt into creatures that appear entirely different. In our day caterpillars become butterflies. In the future Star Treck world, this female crew will probably turn into something ugly.

    Who knows?  In the Enterprise series, green Orion slave animal women were retconned into actually being the masters.

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  7. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Tyrion Lannister (View Comment):

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    Which is why Discovery feels like poorly-written Mary Sue Fanfic. Because in a sense, it is.

    Dear Diary: Today I faced my biggest challenge yet as a young, introverted, blue-haired, anime-loving, non-binary crewmember, whose skills were needed to save the ship and crew!

    Aww, don’t pick on anime!

    Look- I get that anime (and certainly manga) are probably one of the last things that ricochetti would watch or read, but anime and manga are actually not woke.

    Anime is made primarily in Japan, where the culture is definitely different, but also very traditional. I believe gay marriage isn’t even legal in Japan. It’s a very insular industry, so it hasn’t been infected like Disney. Anime doesn’t really cater to the woke crowd- it’s often infantile and aimed at immature young men – but also often carry’s mature themes with very traditional gender roles. Huge numbers of manga and anime are written for adults of both genders.

    Recently there have been some anime controversies because Twitter discovered Berserk (definitely not for kids), there was a controversial portrayal of a demon possessed girl on Demon Slayer, and the Rising of the Shield Hero was attacked for being misogynistic and allegedly condoning slavery. These are just a few examples that drew the left’s ire because anime is NOT politically correct.

    Anime may not be your thing, but it’s definitely not allied with the wokesters who’ve managed to ruin Star Trek, Star Wars, Disney, Marvel, etc.

    Which reminds me to recommend From up on Poppy Hill to everyone. It’s an anime about two prep school students in love in Tokyo on the eve of the 1964 Olympics. It’s quite good. Studio Ghibli films are the only reason we keep Netflix.

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  8. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Star Trek Next Generation was embarrassing in its utopian views, and willingness to allow other cultures to live in misery or die because of a stupid reading of the “Prime Directive.”

    Star Trek Babylon Five Deep Space Nine was a mystical soap opera.

    Stat Trek Lost in Space Voyager was all about a crazed captain that wanted to kill her crew and destroy her ship in nearly every episode (indeed, her suicidal drive was the starting point of the show). If I were on her crew, I’d have killed her at the first opportunity.

    Star Trek Enterprise was a good idea, again plagued by the stupid prime directive, but mostly it was just bad writing.

    All of these had some good points but had a lot of potential that was missed.

    Star Trek Picard and Star Trek Discovery are simply unwatchable.

    I . . . I liked Picard.

    And of course, one shall not disrespect Deep Space Nine in my presence! Have at you!

    Rewatching it recently I realized that quite a bit of it is decidedly unwoke. And Classic Trek may have been “liberal” for its time, but it was the right kind of liberal. It’s so wonderfully American.

    Yes, the liberalism was muscular JFK gun-boat diplomacy … Not the tepid liberalism of Jimmy Carter.

    Deep Space 9 was at least a step back from the socialist utopia of TNG. It had money, trade and economy.

    Star Trek Enterprise had many faults – however – it did not have a prime directive because the federation was not founded until the shows final episode…

    I am sure someone somewhere had to like Picard … Star Trek:Pulp Fiction, just needs Mace Windu to pop in to say his favorite word a few times to round out the vulgarity. Maybe in season 3.

    DS9 was also the only time that religion was treated respectfully. Normally Star Trek treated religion as something a society outgrew as it advanced. Religion was for primitive societies. The Bajorans were the first advanced society that had religion as a centerpiece of society and it wasn’t mocked by the writers.

    Except in a way, the Bajorans didn’t really have a “religion” because the Prophets didn’t actually create the Bajorans, they were just “wormhole aliens.”

    You beat me to it. Babylon Five went the same philosophical route with the Vorlons.

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Star Trek Next Generation was embarrassing in its utopian views, and willingness to allow other cultures to live in misery or die because of a stupid reading of the “Prime Directive.”

    Star Trek Babylon Five Deep Space Nine was a mystical soap opera.

    Stat Trek Lost in Space Voyager was all about a crazed captain that wanted to kill her crew and destroy her ship in nearly every episode (indeed, her suicidal drive was the starting point of the show). If I were on her crew, I’d have killed her at the first opportunity.

    Star Trek Enterprise was a good idea, again plagued by the stupid prime directive, but mostly it was just bad writing.

    All of these had some good points but had a lot of potential that was missed.

    Star Trek Picard and Star Trek Discovery are simply unwatchable.

    I . . . I liked Picard.

    And of course, one shall not disrespect Deep Space Nine in my presence! Have at you!

    Rewatching it recently I realized that quite a bit of it is decidedly unwoke. And Classic Trek may have been “liberal” for its time, but it was the right kind of liberal. It’s so wonderfully American.

    Yes, the liberalism was muscular JFK gun-boat diplomacy … Not the tepid liberalism of Jimmy Carter.

    Deep Space 9 was at least a step back from the socialist utopia of TNG. It had money, trade and economy.

    Star Trek Enterprise had many faults – however – it did not have a prime directive because the federation was not founded until the shows final episode…

    I am sure someone somewhere had to like Picard … Star Trek:Pulp Fiction, just needs Mace Windu to pop in to say his favorite word a few times to round out the vulgarity. Maybe in season 3.

    DS9 was also the only time that religion was treated respectfully. Normally Star Trek treated religion as something a society outgrew as it advanced. Religion was for primitive societies. The Bajorans were the first advanced society that had religion as a centerpiece of society and it wasn’t mocked by the writers.

    Except in a way, the Bajorans didn’t really have a “religion” because the Prophets didn’t actually create the Bajorans, they were just “wormhole aliens.”

    You beat me to it. Babylon Five went the same philosophical route with the Vorlons.

    And behind all of that, the most common “religion” in B5 seemed to be that the universe itself was pretty much conscious itself.  Especially for the Minbari.

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  10. kidCoder Member
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):
    Star Trek, The Next Generation and the two spinoffs of that period was full of left wing schmaltz.  And the return of Picard has kept up that tradition.

    Have to disagree.

    TNG had plenty of left wing stuff (warp 5 limit for subspace, anybody?) but it managed quite well.

    The first season of Picard was quite enjoyable. The second season, I’ve heard, has broken quite a bit with star trek tradition, and canon.

    There is a channel on youtube comparing classic Trek to modern Trek, and it’s quite enjoyable.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnlxugk3Qb0 – ShortTreks are stupid

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcmHt1eAWBk – Picard Season 2 is stupid

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQHkdU5gQso – Picard Season 2 forgot basic canon – Writers, hire ANY trekkie! I’ve seen every hour of official Star Trek produced before 2005! Many of those hours multiple times!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YDFS5TrDM – Anybody in charge of continuity at Discovery? Anybody?

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  11. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    So, I wrote an article a few years ago that dealt with religion in SFTV, particularly The Expanse. Star Trek in its various iterations falls mostly into the “Erich von Däniken” school of sociology of religion. 

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  12. Rodin Member
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    (Gag) [Late to the party, but just wanted to share my reaction.]

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  13. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    I didn’t watch Picard, but I did watch RLM’s take on Picard. Hard left wokeness aside, there was also the matter of mystic Romulan ninja-nuns, and torture porn. (Poor Icheb, you should have stayed in the Delta Quadrant).

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  14. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    kidCoder (View Comment):
    The first season of Picard was quite enjoyable.

    I thought so, too. Yeah, the murder of Icheb was gross, and I didn’t care for turning Seven of Nine into a lesbian. But I liked it. I’ll have to wait for the home video release to watch the second season.

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  15. mildlyo Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    DS9 was also the only time that religion was treated respectfully. Normally Star Trek treated religion as something a society outgrew as it advanced. Religion was for primitive societies. The Bajorans were the first advanced society that had religion as a centerpiece of society and it wasn’t mocked by the writers.

    Except in a way, the Bajorans didn’t really have a “religion” because the Prophets didn’t actually create the Bajorans, they were just “wormhole aliens.”

    The Federation called the Prophets wormhole aliens. To the Bajorans they were always their Gods who lived outside time, intervened benevolently in their lives, and granted miracles to the faithful.

    I grant you the argument that a religion that results in repeatable results from ritual inputs might be considered a technology. This concept comes up in science fiction sometimes.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    mildlyo (View Comment):

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    DS9 was also the only time that religion was treated respectfully. Normally Star Trek treated religion as something a society outgrew as it advanced. Religion was for primitive societies. The Bajorans were the first advanced society that had religion as a centerpiece of society and it wasn’t mocked by the writers.

    Except in a way, the Bajorans didn’t really have a “religion” because the Prophets didn’t actually create the Bajorans, they were just “wormhole aliens.”

    The Federation called the Prophets wormhole aliens. To the Bajorans they were always their Gods who lived outside time, intervened benevolently in their lives, and granted miracles to the faithful.

    They actually discussed those things occasionally, mostly from Kira I suppose.  The Bajora considered them Prophets, not God(s), although she recognized that some Bajora might occasionally take it too far.  But I think the main thing was that the orbs and such proved that the Prophets actually existed.  They didn’t just have books written by people who were supposedly divinely inspired.

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Metalheaddoc (View Comment):
    Normally Star Trek treated religion as something a society outgrew as it advanced. Religion was for primitive societies.

    The Orville did the same thing.

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    You beat me to it. lolz.

    You where so taken aback by the “Orange man still bad” narrative that you missed the all awesome female bridge crew operating the Enterprise?

    So “female” is a thing again in a couple centuries? I can’t wait.

    Female – no women.

    So then maybe none of the females in the bridge crew were actually women.

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  19. Joseph Eagar Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Star Trek Next Generation was embarrassing in its utopian views, and willingness to allow other cultures to live in misery or die because of a stupid reading of the “Prime Directive.”

    Star Trek Babylon Five Deep Space Nine was a mystical soap opera.

    Stat Trek Lost in Space Voyager was all about a crazed captain that wanted to kill her crew and destroy her ship in nearly every episode (indeed, her suicidal drive was the starting point of the show). If I were on her crew, I’d have killed her at the first opportunity.

    Star Trek Enterprise was a good idea, again plagued by the stupid prime directive, but mostly it was just bad writing.

    All of these had some good points but had a lot of potential that was missed.

    Star Trek Picard and Star Trek Discovery are simply unwatchable.

    I . . . I liked Picard.

    And of course, one shall not disrespect Deep Space Nine in my presence! Have at you!

    Rewatching it recently I realized that quite a bit of it is decidedly unwoke. And Classic Trek may have been “liberal” for its time, but it was the right kind of liberal. It’s so wonderfully American.

    Yes, the liberalism was muscular JFK gun-boat diplomacy … Not the tepid liberalism of Jimmy Carter.

    Deep Space 9 was at least a step back from the socialist utopia of TNG. It had money, trade and economy.

    Star Trek Enterprise had many faults – however – it did not have a prime directive because the federation was not founded until the shows final episode…

    I am sure someone somewhere had to like Picard … Star Trek:Pulp Fiction, just needs Mace Windu to pop in to say his favorite word a few times to round out the vulgarity. Maybe in season 3.

    DS9 was also the only time that religion was treated respectfully. Normally Star Trek treated religion as something a society outgrew as it advanced. Religion was for primitive societies. The Bajorans were the first advanced society that had religion as a centerpiece of society and it wasn’t mocked by the writers.

    Except in a way, the Bajorans didn’t really have a “religion” because the Prophets didn’t actually create the Bajorans, they were just “wormhole aliens.”

    I don’t think that’s quite fair, DS9 portrayed the Prophets as more and more God-like as the series went on.

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Star Trek Next Generation was embarrassing in its utopian views, and willingness to allow other cultures to live in misery or die because of a stupid reading of the “Prime Directive.”

    Star Trek Babylon Five Deep Space Nine was a mystical soap opera.

    Stat Trek Lost in Space Voyager was all about a crazed captain that wanted to kill her crew and destroy her ship in nearly every episode (indeed, her suicidal drive was the starting point of the show). If I were on her crew, I’d have killed her at the first opportunity.

    Star Trek Enterprise was a good idea, again plagued by the stupid prime directive, but mostly it was just bad writing.

    All of these had some good points but had a lot of potential that was missed.

    Star Trek Picard and Star Trek Discovery are simply unwatchable.

    I . . . I liked Picard.

    And of course, one shall not disrespect Deep Space Nine in my presence! Have at you!

    Rewatching it recently I realized that quite a bit of it is decidedly unwoke. And Classic Trek may have been “liberal” for its time, but it was the right kind of liberal. It’s so wonderfully American.

    Yes, the liberalism was muscular JFK gun-boat diplomacy … Not the tepid liberalism of Jimmy Carter.

    Deep Space 9 was at least a step back from the socialist utopia of TNG. It had money, trade and economy.

    Star Trek Enterprise had many faults – however – it did not have a prime directive because the federation was not founded until the shows final episode…

    I am sure someone somewhere had to like Picard … Star Trek:Pulp Fiction, just needs Mace Windu to pop in to say his favorite word a few times to round out the vulgarity. Maybe in season 3.

    DS9 was also the only time that religion was treated respectfully. Normally Star Trek treated religion as something a society outgrew as it advanced. Religion was for primitive societies. The Bajorans were the first advanced society that had religion as a centerpiece of society and it wasn’t mocked by the writers.

    Except in a way, the Bajorans didn’t really have a “religion” because the Prophets didn’t actually create the Bajorans, they were just “wormhole aliens.”

    I don’t think that’s quite fair, DS9 portrayed the Prophets as more and more God-like as the series went on.

    More powerful, maybe.  And more directly involved due to Sisko.  But I don’t remember anything that would have led the Bajora to believe that the Prophets CREATED them.  It’s more likely that the Prophets are actually the future Bajora having somehow “evolved” to be outside of time, etc.  Not all that uncommon in sci-fi even in the 1950s if not before.

    Of course the “non-linear” thing was really BS claptrap nonsense from the start.

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  21. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Except in a way, the Bajorans didn’t really have a “religion” because the Prophets didn’t actually create the Bajorans, they were just “wormhole aliens.”

    I don’t think that’s quite fair, DS9 portrayed the Prophets as more and more God-like as the series went on.

    More powerful, maybe. And more directly involved due to Sisko. But I don’t remember anything that would have led the Bajora to believe that the Prophets CREATED them. It’s more likely that the Prophets are actually the future Bajora having somehow “evolved” to be outside of time, etc. Not all that uncommon in sci-fi even in the 1950s if not before.

    Of course the “non-linear” thing was really BS claptrap nonsense from the start.

    You lack imagination. And you are a pedant.

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Except in a way, the Bajorans didn’t really have a “religion” because the Prophets didn’t actually create the Bajorans, they were just “wormhole aliens.”

    I don’t think that’s quite fair, DS9 portrayed the Prophets as more and more God-like as the series went on.

    More powerful, maybe. And more directly involved due to Sisko. But I don’t remember anything that would have led the Bajora to believe that the Prophets CREATED them. It’s more likely that the Prophets are actually the future Bajora having somehow “evolved” to be outside of time, etc. Not all that uncommon in sci-fi even in the 1950s if not before.

    Of course the “non-linear” thing was really BS claptrap nonsense from the start.

    You lack imagination. And you are a pedant.

    It’s just something that someone wrote, that they thought was cool.  If there were actually timeless entities, it would be impossible to communicate with them.  Otherwise they’re basically no different than the Q.  If anything the Prophets seem far less powerful than the Q.

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  23. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Except in a way, the Bajorans didn’t really have a “religion” because the Prophets didn’t actually create the Bajorans, they were just “wormhole aliens.”

    I don’t think that’s quite fair, DS9 portrayed the Prophets as more and more God-like as the series went on.

    More powerful, maybe. And more directly involved due to Sisko. But I don’t remember anything that would have led the Bajora to believe that the Prophets CREATED them. It’s more likely that the Prophets are actually the future Bajora having somehow “evolved” to be outside of time, etc. Not all that uncommon in sci-fi even in the 1950s if not before.

    Of course the “non-linear” thing was really BS claptrap nonsense from the start.

    You lack imagination. And you are a pedant.

    It’s just something that someone wrote, that they thought was cool. If there were actually timeless entities, it would be impossible to communicate with them. Otherwise they’re basically no different than the Q. If anything the Prophets seem far less powerful than the Q.

    I had a fan theory about how Sisko actually created the prophets through his initial communication with them. They exist outside time, but then along comes this guy who teaches them about time. “Linear existence.” So those aliens could enter time at any given point, and what if they then emerged in early Bajoran history and began influencing them. Beings who exist outside of time are essentially gods anyway. 

    I mean, God has to be at least a seventh-dimensional being as I see it.

    /nerd

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    Except in a way, the Bajorans didn’t really have a “religion” because the Prophets didn’t actually create the Bajorans, they were just “wormhole aliens.”

    I don’t think that’s quite fair, DS9 portrayed the Prophets as more and more God-like as the series went on.

    More powerful, maybe. And more directly involved due to Sisko. But I don’t remember anything that would have led the Bajora to believe that the Prophets CREATED them. It’s more likely that the Prophets are actually the future Bajora having somehow “evolved” to be outside of time, etc. Not all that uncommon in sci-fi even in the 1950s if not before.

    Of course the “non-linear” thing was really BS claptrap nonsense from the start.

    You lack imagination. And you are a pedant.

    It’s just something that someone wrote, that they thought was cool. If there were actually timeless entities, it would be impossible to communicate with them. Otherwise they’re basically no different than the Q. If anything the Prophets seem far less powerful than the Q.

    I had a fan theory about how Sisko actually created the prophets through his initial communication with them. They exist outside time, but then along comes this guy who teaches them about time. “Linear existence.” So those aliens could enter time at any given point, and what if they then emerged in early Bajoran history and began influencing them. Beings who exist outside of time are essentially gods anyway.

    I mean, God has to be at least a seventh-dimensional being as I see it.

    /nerd

    Except when Sisko contacted the Prophets, they supposedly had no understanding of “linear time” yet we know that they CREATED Sisko.  You could say – and anyone could write – that they created Sisko before meeting him, after meeting him, because they’re outside of time, etc etc etc, but that’s still just supposedly-clever writing, navel gazing, whatever.  And again, the Q could move through time too.

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  25. Skyler Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Except in a way, the Bajorans didn’t really have a “religion” because the Prophets didn’t actually create the Bajorans, they were just “wormhole aliens.”

    I don’t think that’s quite fair, DS9 portrayed the Prophets as more and more God-like as the series went on.

    More powerful, maybe. And more directly involved due to Sisko. But I don’t remember anything that would have led the Bajora to believe that the Prophets CREATED them. It’s more likely that the Prophets are actually the future Bajora having somehow “evolved” to be outside of time, etc. Not all that uncommon in sci-fi even in the 1950s if not before.

    Of course the “non-linear” thing was really BS claptrap nonsense from the start.

    You lack imagination. And you are a pedant.

    Well, that insult was unnecessary. 

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  26. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik!
    @DrewInWisconsin

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Except when Sisko contacted the Prophets, they supposedly had no understanding of “linear time” yet we know that they CREATED Sisko.  You could say – and anyone could write – that they created Sisko before meeting him, after meeting him, because they’re outside of time, etc etc etc, but that’s still just supposedly-clever writing, navel gazing, whatever.

    There’s nothing wrong with clever writing. Would that modern Trek had such clever writing.

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  27. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik!
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Skyler (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Joseph Eagar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Except in a way, the Bajorans didn’t really have a “religion” because the Prophets didn’t actually create the Bajorans, they were just “wormhole aliens.”

    I don’t think that’s quite fair, DS9 portrayed the Prophets as more and more God-like as the series went on.

    More powerful, maybe. And more directly involved due to Sisko. But I don’t remember anything that would have led the Bajora to believe that the Prophets CREATED them. It’s more likely that the Prophets are actually the future Bajora having somehow “evolved” to be outside of time, etc. Not all that uncommon in sci-fi even in the 1950s if not before.

    Of course the “non-linear” thing was really BS claptrap nonsense from the start.

    You lack imagination. And you are a pedant.

    Well, that insult was unnecessary.

    No, absolutely necessary to remind Mr. Davis over and over that he’s a fun-murdering pedant.

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  28. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Except when Sisko contacted the Prophets, they supposedly had no understanding of “linear time” yet we know that they CREATED Sisko. You could say – and anyone could write – that they created Sisko before meeting him, after meeting him, because they’re outside of time, etc etc etc, but that’s still just supposedly-clever writing, navel gazing, whatever.

    There’s nothing wrong with clever writing. Would that modern Trek had such clever writing.

    Nothing wrong with actually-clever writing.  Supposedly-clever writing, which is how I put it, is a different thing.  STD, STP, etc, are chock-full of supposedly-clever writing.  Which is a big part of why they stink.

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  29. dajoho Member
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    Just watched this. No only is the above spot on but I got a hernia from the convulsive gag reflex that kept spontaneously occuring…

     

     

     

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