Ex Post Facto Laws Mean No One Is Safe

 

The Trudeau regime is applying its unlawful declaration of emergency retroactively. Thus, people who contributed to the truckers before the declaration are having their bank accounts frozen. This means that no one is safe from arbitrary law. The U.S. Constitution prohibits ex post facto laws. However, we aren’t in much better shape since the FBI and the Mueller Special Counsel Investigation bankrupted Trump supporters. In the U.S.’s version of a banana republic, the losers get to persecute the supporters of the guy who won it. Biden urged Trudeau to take action since the authoritarians need to stand together. Once again, the Trump supporters have proven to be right about who threatened civil liberties.

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  1. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a hoax) (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Donate to the wrong cause and lose all access to you money without trial and no biggie to you. In fact you agree with it. No trial

    Which states allow civil asset forfeiture? Too many! FYI, using federal law is a workaround to state controls.

    https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7195521/civil_forfeiture_map.0.png

    Yep, it is a great injustice.

    What is going on in Canada is even worse.

    We’ll see what happens when the truckers reach D.C.

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  2. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    Frozen (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):
    In the absence of such a designation, all this emergency act does is ex post facto restrict (money is speech, recall) political expression.

    The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled on numerous occasions that money is not speech.

    Judge: “You have a right to legal counsel.”

    Defendant: “My bank accounts are frozen.”

    Judge: “You have a right to a legal aid lawyer.”

    Defendant: “But all their bank accounts are frozen too.”

    Judge: “Defendant refuses legal counsel.”

    There is no right to legal aid in Canada.  Legal aid lawyers are perfectly free to reject prospective clients.

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  3. Frozen Inactive
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    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Frozen (View Comment):

    It’s also technically easier to depose a government in Canada. It only takes a majority vote in the House of Commons to render a judgement of non-confidence, thereby triggering a new election. A party’s caucus can also replace its leader with a simple majority vote. Impeachment in the US is much more difficult, and it doesn’t replace the party in power.

    Today, a country with a long, storied history of fighting against the odds and harsh elements faces a choice between a leader with nazi links and a leader sired by Communists. If you depose one you get the other.

    Canada, choose wisely.

    Where did you read

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Frozen (View Comment):

    It’s also technically easier to depose a government in Canada. It only takes a majority vote in the House of Commons to render a judgement of non-confidence, thereby triggering a new election. A party’s caucus can also replace its leader with a simple majority vote. Impeachment in the US is much more difficult, and it doesn’t replace the party in power.

    Today, a country with a long, storied history of fighting against the odds and harsh elements faces a choice between a leader with nazi links and a leader sired by Communists. If you depose one you get the other.

    Canada, choose wisely.

    Where did you read that Candace Bergen has Nazi links?!

    that Candace Bergen has Nazi links?!

    If you depose Justin you get Freeland, silly rabbit!

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  4. Frozen Inactive
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    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Frozen (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):
    In the absence of such a designation, all this emergency act does is ex post facto restrict (money is speech, recall) political expression.

    The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled on numerous occasions that money is not speech.

    Judge: “You have a right to legal counsel.”

    Defendant: “My bank accounts are frozen.”

    Judge: “You have a right to a legal aid lawyer.”

    Defendant: “But all their bank accounts are frozen too.”

    Judge: “Defendant refuses legal counsel.”

    There is no right to legal aid in Canada. Legal aid lawyers are perfectly free to reject prospective clients.

    I stand victorious!

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  5. Frozen Inactive
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    After Freeland, the Empire of Blotting Out the Sun:

    thank you cbc for this well balanced discussion on the facts and merits of the “fact” of the anthropogenic climate catastrophe thats coming our way! So wonderful to see a central banker who’s job is to print money provide some guidance on how their counterfit dollars are spent.

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  6. Percival Thatcher
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    Eat Zee Bugs (View Comment):

    We can only dream:

    “Imagine a Sikh convoy, Mohawk convoy, and a Ghurka convoy converging on Ottawa”.

    • Anonymous

    Oh, better not be Ghurkas.

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    That’s got to make for a good joke, but I can’t think of the punch line.  Anyone?

    “A Sikh convoy, Mohawk convoy, and a Ghurka convoy walk into (an) Ottawa…”

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  8. Eat Zee Bugs Inactive
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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Eat Zee Bugs (View Comment):

    When it happens, we’ll have people on Ricochet siding with the Biden regime.

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  10. Flicker Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Frozen (View Comment):

    Putin wasn’t actually playing “0, Canada” but whoever put this together was doing a great job of trolling.

    Yeah at the end the left hand was playing without touching the keys.

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  11. Eat Zee Bugs Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Eat Zee Bugs (View Comment):

    When it happens, we’ll have people on Ricochet siding with the Biden regime.

    Join The Incarceration!

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  12. Eat Zee Bugs Inactive
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Frozen (View Comment):

    Putin wasn’t actually playing “0, Canada” but whoever put this together was doing a great job of trolling.

    Yeah at the end the left hand was playing without touching the keys.

    The tell was no sheet music. 

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  13. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    Eat Zee Bugs (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Frozen (View Comment):

    It’s also technically easier to depose a government in Canada. It only takes a majority vote in the House of Commons to render a judgement of non-confidence, thereby triggering a new election. A party’s caucus can also replace its leader with a simple majority vote. Impeachment in the US is much more difficult, and it doesn’t replace the party in power.

    Today, a country with a long, storied history of fighting against the odds and harsh elements faces a choice between a leader with nazi links and a leader sired by Communists. If you depose one you get the other.

    Canada, choose wisely.

    Where did you read

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Frozen (View Comment):

    It’s also technically easier to depose a government in Canada. It only takes a majority vote in the House of Commons to render a judgement of non-confidence, thereby triggering a new election. A party’s caucus can also replace its leader with a simple majority vote. Impeachment in the US is much more difficult, and it doesn’t replace the party in power.

    Today, a country with a long, storied history of fighting against the odds and harsh elements faces a choice between a leader with nazi links and a leader sired by Communists. If you depose one you get the other.

    Canada, choose wisely.

    Where did you read that Candace Bergen has Nazi links?!

    that Candace Bergen has Nazi links?!

    If you depose Justin you get Freeland, silly rabbit!

    That’s not how it works. 

    If there’s a no confidence vote then there’s an election.  If that were to happen before the Conservatives elect a new leader then the choice would be between Justin and Candice (and Jagmeet, I suppose, technically).

    If Justin resigns then the Liberal Party will hold an election for the new leader. I’m sure Freeland will run, but it’s not automatic she’ll win. How they choose their interim leader is up to the Liberal Party’s constitution.  I haven’t read their constitution so I don’t know exactly how they do it, but when a Conservative leader resigns the interim leader is chosen by caucus.

    There is no “line of succession” like there is in the United States. Deputy Prime Minister is not equivalent to Vice President. In fact, it’s even more of a meaningless title than Vice President.

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  14. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Eat Zee Bugs (View Comment):

    When it happens, we’ll have people on Ricochet siding with the Biden regime.

    Certainly in AZ

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  15. Flicker Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Eat Zee Bugs (View Comment):

    When it happens, we’ll have people on Ricochet siding with the Biden regime.

    Don’t we already?

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  16. Flicker Coolidge
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    Eat Zee Bugs (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Frozen (View Comment):

    Putin wasn’t actually playing “0, Canada” but whoever put this together was doing a great job of trolling.

    Yeah at the end the left hand was playing without touching the keys.

    The tell was no sheet music.

    No, this is Putin not Biden.  But I was really looking to see if the piano was a player piano.

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  17. Eat Zee Bugs Inactive
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    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Eat Zee Bugs (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Frozen (View Comment):

    It’s also technically easier to depose a government in Canada. It only takes a majority vote in the House of Commons to render a judgement of non-confidence, thereby triggering a new election. A party’s caucus can also replace its leader with a simple majority vote. Impeachment in the US is much more difficult, and it doesn’t replace the party in power.

    Today, a country with a long, storied history of fighting against the odds and harsh elements faces a choice between a leader with nazi links and a leader sired by Communists. If you depose one you get the other.

    Canada, choose wisely.

    Where did you read

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Frozen (View Comment):

    It’s also technically easier to depose a government in Canada. It only takes a majority vote in the House of Commons to render a judgement of non-confidence, thereby triggering a new election. A party’s caucus can also replace its leader with a simple majority vote. Impeachment in the US is much more difficult, and it doesn’t replace the party in power.

    Today, a country with a long, storied history of fighting against the odds and harsh elements faces a choice between a leader with nazi links and a leader sired by Communists. If you depose one you get the other.

    Canada, choose wisely.

    Where did you read that Candace Bergen has Nazi links?!

    that Candace Bergen has Nazi links?!

    If you depose Justin you get Freeland, silly rabbit!

    That’s not how it works.

    If there’s a no confidence vote then there’s an election. If that were to happen before the Conservatives elect a new leader then the choice would be between Justin and Candice (and Jagmeet, I suppose, technically).

    If Justin resigns then the Liberal Party will hold an election for the new leader. I’m sure Freeland will run, but it’s not automatic she’ll win. How they choose their interim leader is up to the Liberal Party’s constitution. I haven’t read their constitution so I don’t know exactly how they do it, but when a Conservative leader resigns the interim leader is chosen by caucus.

    There is no “line of succession” like there is in the United States. Deputy Prime Minister is not equivalent to Vice President. In fact, it’s even more of a meaningless title than Vice President.

    A cursory review of the past decades will reveal Mark Steyn’s truism about the Liberal Party being like the PLO and that we’re coming up to the Ides of March. Liberal Leaders audition for the job by writing a book first (Ignatieff, Freeland, Carney) and thanks to the magic of life imprisonment for mischief and freezing bank accounts I don’t much on the horizon that’s going to change that.

    Eat zee bugs.

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  18. Eat Zee Bugs Inactive
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    And Carney’s job is to blot out the sun for Herr Fearless Leader, so the only mystery is how long Freeland lands as interegnum. In this Joker bank heist I think she’s the bus driver and Carney is the Joker. Personally, I also believe she has one of those push button machines from Star Trek’s Mirror Mirror to eliminate rivals. 

    #perogiethighs 

     

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  19. BDB Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    That’s got to make for a good joke, but I can’t think of the punch line. Anyone?

    “A Sikh convoy, Mohawk convoy, and a Ghurka convoy walk into (an) Ottawa…”

    HONNNNNNK!

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  20. BDB Inactive
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Eat Zee Bugs (View Comment):

    When it happens, we’ll have people on Ricochet siding with the Biden regime.

    Don’t we already?

    Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason

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  21. GrannyDude Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Also, even in the US where we have an ex post facto clause, it generally only applies to changes in criminal law. For example, sex offender registration acts did not violate the clause, because they were civil regulations.

    I don’t see how that is similar. I’m not familiar, so is this true: a law was passed which required previously convicted sex offenders to register at some point after the law was passed?

    If that’s the premise, there’s nothing ex post facto about that. It’s not as though the law criminalized something after the fact. For this to be ex post facto, it would have to punish a failure to have had registered previous to the new law.

    Right?

    For what it’s worth, I met a sex offender paroled (after 15 years in prison) who was not on the sex offender registry for precisely this reason—he’d been convicted before the sex offender registry was a thing. Ex post facto. Which didn’t stop him (and his supporters) (middle class, articulate guy; of course he had supporters) from citing his absence from that registry as a sign that the System no longer considered him a threat. 

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Also, even in the US where we have an ex post facto clause, it generally only applies to changes in criminal law. For example, sex offender registration acts did not violate the clause, because they were civil regulations.

    I don’t see how that is similar. I’m not familiar, so is this true: a law was passed which required previously convicted sex offenders to register at some point after the law was passed?

    If that’s the premise, there’s nothing ex post facto about that. It’s not as though the law criminalized something after the fact. For this to be ex post facto, it would have to punish a failure to have had registered previous to the new law.

    Right?

    For what it’s worth, I met a sex offender paroled (after 15 years in prison) who was not on the sex offender registry for precisely this reason—he’d been convicted before the sex offender registry was a thing. Ex post facto. Which didn’t stop him (and his supporters) (middle class, articulate guy; of course he had supporters) from citing his absence from that registry as a sign that the System no longer considered him a threat.

    I’m pretty sure that some states, at least – maybe not federal – have gotten around that by I guess convincing judges that it’s not actually more punishment.  Seems like there are some states that have been able to get past offenders on the list even if it happened before they passed the registry laws.

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  23. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    What is unlawful about the emergency declaration?

    Also, even in the US where we have an ex post facto clause, it generally only applies to changes in criminal law. For example, sex offender registration acts did not violate the clause, because they were civil regulations.

    Here, it sounds as if the bank accounts weren’t even seized, just frozen.

    I don’t like the policy, in this application, though I wouldn’t mind if it was done to an account used to make donations to Al Qaeda. However, at first glance, it doesn’t look like an ex post facto violation.

    Thanks Trudy!

     

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  24. Eat Zee Bugs Inactive
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    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Also, even in the US where we have an ex post facto clause, it generally only applies to changes in criminal law. For example, sex offender registration acts did not violate the clause, because they were civil regulations.

    I don’t see how that is similar. I’m not familiar, so is this true: a law was passed which required previously convicted sex offenders to register at some point after the law was passed?

    If that’s the premise, there’s nothing ex post facto about that. It’s not as though the law criminalized something after the fact. For this to be ex post facto, it would have to punish a failure to have had registered previous to the new law.

    Right?

    For what it’s worth, I met a sex offender paroled (after 15 years in prison) who was not on the sex offender registry for precisely this reason—he’d been convicted before the sex offender registry was a thing. Ex post facto. Which didn’t stop him (and his supporters) (middle class, articulate guy; of course he had supporters) from citing his absence from that registry as a sign that the System no longer considered him a threat.

    This reminds me of Randall Tex Cobb’s joke on Johnny Carson’s Tonight Show. He’d gone 15 rounds and lost to Larry Holmes, prompting Howard Cosell to quit covering boxing. When Carson asked Cobb what his record was he said:

    “37 arrests, no convictions”.

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  25. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    And now they’re just randomly freezing bank accounts to prevent people from taking their money out of banks so their whole banking system doesn’t collapse.

    See what happens when you descend into lawlessness, Justin?

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  26. BDB Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    And now they’re just randomly freezing bank accounts to prevent people from taking their money out of banks so their whole banking system doesn’t collapse.

    See what happens when you descend into lawlessness, Justin?

    Serious?  Link?

     

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  27. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    And now they’re just randomly freezing bank accounts to prevent people from taking their money out of banks so their whole banking system doesn’t collapse.

    See what happens when you descend into lawlessness, Justin?

    Serious? Link?

     

    Hmm. This was shared elsewhere on Ricochet, but now I can’t find the original at GP.

    https://media.patriots.win/post/5gIoAcQSPX7B.jpeg

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  28. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    And now they’re just randomly freezing bank accounts to prevent people from taking their money out of banks so their whole banking system doesn’t collapse.

    See what happens when you descend into lawlessness, Justin?

    Serious? Link?

     

    Hmm. This was shared elsewhere on Ricochet, but now I can’t find the original at GP.

    https://media.patriots.win/post/5gIoAcQSPX7B.jpeg

    So, it is my money, but I can’t take it out so they can freeze it later. 

    Fascism is when the private sector exists and is under the control of the government. This is literal textbook defined fascism. 

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  29. BDB Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    And now they’re just randomly freezing bank accounts to prevent people from taking their money out of banks so their whole banking system doesn’t collapse.

    See what happens when you descend into lawlessness, Justin?

    Serious? Link?

     

    Hmm. This was shared elsewhere on Ricochet, but now I can’t find the original at GP.

    https://media.patriots.win/post/5gIoAcQSPX7B.jpeg

    My guess is that this is a well-done agitprop piece from someplace that I like a lot — but you have to ignore anything without a link.  I got burned a while back with a bogus MTG tweet.

     

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  30. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    And now they’re just randomly freezing bank accounts to prevent people from taking their money out of banks so their whole banking system doesn’t collapse.

    See what happens when you descend into lawlessness, Justin?

    Serious? Link?

     

    Hmm. This was shared elsewhere on Ricochet, but now I can’t find the original at GP.

    https://media.patriots.win/post/5gIoAcQSPX7B.jpeg

    My guess is that this is a well-done agitprop piece from someplace that I like a lot — but you have to ignore anything without a link. I got burned a while back with a bogus MTG tweet.

     

    Gateway Pundit tends to be a bit too hysterical for me, too quick to run stuff without verifying. So I guess I got burned, too. It’s not on their site as far as I can tell.

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