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Vaccine Turnabout: Will There Be Rage and Who Will Feel It?
First: I took the two-shot Pfizer last spring. I didn’t really want to, but I have a special needs sister who had been in quarantine for months and the shots were required to restart family visits. I would have licked Tabasco off the rim of a garbage can on Bourbon Street if that was what was required to see my sister. Other than some aches and fever after the second shot, I have no identifiable vaccine issues.
Second: I had Covid during the holidays this year. Probably the “O” version, but they don’t really test for that specifically. Worse than a cold, but not as bad as the flu. I believe I am fully recovered.
Third: I have known several people that died with/from Covid — mostly older and with other health issues.
Fourth: I know one person that had a massive stroke within 36 hours of the Moderna vaccine and died. She was older, but generally in good health. Was it vaccine-related? Who knows, but her family certainly thinks so.
So the news now is that the vaccine doesn’t exactly work: if vaccinated, you can still pass on the virus, can get other variants (quibbles over if the vaccine “lessens” the severity of the illness). Further, the vaccine may cause heart issues; the vaccine may affect women’s cycles and of course, since the vaccine hasn’t been around long term, we will be finding out if it has adverse long-term consequences in real-time. What if it does? Excess cancer, heart problems, blood clots, infertility, strokes, etc?
Trump touted the vaccine as a scientific triumph. Big Pharma has pushed the vaccine as virtually risk-free (but with a liability shield carve out — just in case they are wrong). Big Government has fast-tracked approvals and agency recommendations. (Vaccinate your 5-year-olds!) The Democrats in power (state and federal) have pushed vaccines in every way imaginable.
I’m just running rabbit trails in my mind here. What if becomes more apparent that the negative health consequences from the vaccine exceed the (what appears to be diminishing) positives? Will the vaccinated population feel duped? Will they be angry? To whom will their anger be directed? Trump? Dems? Pharma? I am sure any specific constituent’s anger will be channeled thru their regular tribal preferences. Dems will blame Trump and Pharma, conservatives will blame Big Pharma and Big Government (and maybe Trump too).
Will we approach a critical mass of vaccine remorse? If it comes to that, how will the displeasure manifest? (You can’t vote everybody out). Will it matter? Will the people who point out the mounting negatives be labeled as crazies and sent to the proverbial gulags? Will it just be one big gaslighting by those in power? Demonstrations? Riots? Or will the populace just accept that we did what we could with the info we had at the time so oh well?
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I think Stina’s point is that kids are much more likely to have asymptomatic COVID and therefore their cases go unreported, making the population of kids who’ve had COVID (and have not developed myocarditis) much larger than we know and bringing the %risk way down compared to vaccine induced cases — the base number of which we do know. She has a point, although, again, it’s based on unknowns.
Kids have about 1/2 asymptomatic cases (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/pediatric-hcp.html)- that is why I cut the CDC COVID myocarditis rate in half (they tested kids who should up- ie mostly those with symptoms). The rate of myocarditis I used was from a source Stina quoted- other sources differ [NB-& I would use other sources than he did-his sources were worse for his argument- but he chose them]-but all point to a lower rate in the vaxxed. One example:
For kids COVID increases myocarditis 37x from baseline
For COVID kids <16- 0.133% had myocarditis
For vaxxed 12-29 years old-52 million vax doses (highest rate of myocarditis post vax) 0.006%
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/16388
So if you cut the rate of COVID myocarditis in half to account for the likelihood that many cases go unreported (to 0.066%) even this data shows the vax is much safer.
incidentally- all the myocarditis probably explains why HCQ was dangerous for the COVID patients. HCQ prolongs the QTc interval & thereby can potentially lead to serious arrythmias. That effect isn’t seen in rheumatoid & malaria patients- but they do not have myocarditis.
And your point is well taken, too.
If I had an otherwise healthy 12-year-old, I would also refrain from having him vaccinated, since the risks of serious injury from COVID seem very low at that age and the benefits of acquired immunity very high. But, even more, I believe in people’s freedom to choose what medical interventions they accept for themselves and their children in such uncertain circumstances.
Dr. Peter McCullough: Now, the myocarditis that occurs with a natural infection is usually those sick enough to be in the ICU, and it’s a troponin elevation only. It is very different from the myocarditis we see with the vaccines, which we’ll get to. The myocarditis in COVID-19 is mild, it’s inconsequential, and it’s largely a troponin elevation. I don’t want anybody to think that the myocarditis of the natural infection is anything like what we see with the vaccines.
One of my ongoing problems with arguing over Covid-related stuff for children is that the risks being argued about are so small that minute variations in data or even data collection and analysis methodologies are likely to cause significant apparent differences in results. Making big decisions around very small numbers is fraught with its own risks. Back in October, the Babylon Bee made fun of the expectation that widespread administration of the Covid vaccine to children would reduce the number of child Covid deaths from nearly zero to nearly zero. https://babylonbee.com/news/pfizer-claims-vaccine-will-reduce-average-daily-child-covid-deaths-from-almost-zero-to-almost-zero/
Any citations- McCullough is not actively treating any sick COVID patients (ie hospitalized and he isn’t a pediatrician) and others state EXACTLY the opposite AND PROVIDE DATA!:
Post-vaccine myocarditis in young people is rare and usually mild, study confirms
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2021/12/06/post-vaccine-myocarditis-in-young-people-is-rare-and-usually-mild-study-confirms
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.121.056583
“None of the patients required inotropic, mechanical, or circulatory support. There were no deaths”
https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/148/5/e2021053427/181357/COVID-19-Vaccination-Associated-Myocarditis-in
the above graph shows that vax myocarditis resolved the FASTEST & MOST COMPLETELY vs COVID myocarditis and other forms of myocarditis
there have been no deaths from vax myocarditis(https://fullfact.org/health/pfizer-teens-myocarditis/) but at least 35 deaths in kids from a COVID infection associated myocarditis syndrome (MIS-C)-https://www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/multisystem-inflammatory-syndrome-in-children-mis-c
Sorry Hans, but John McClane must be in the house-protection against severe outcome remains robust:
“Ontario public health authorities report that as of yesterday, 2,093 and 288 people are being treated for omicron variant infections in hospitals and intensive care units (ICUs), respectively. The hospitalization rate per million among unvaccinated people stands at 532.7; it’s 105.9 for folks vaccinated with at least two doses. This means that the reduction of hospitalization risk for those inoculated with at least two doses is 80.1 percent.”
The ICU occupancy rate per million is 135.6 for unvaccinated people and just 9.2 for those who have gotten two doses of COVID-19 vaccines. So vaccination reduces the ICU risk by 93.2 percent.
An analysis by the United Kingdom Health Security Agency (UKHSA) similarly found that “the risk of being admitted to hospital for Omicron cases was lower for those who had received 2 doses of a vaccine (65% lower) compared to those who had not received any vaccination.” The risk “was lower still among those who had received 3 doses of vaccine (81% lower).”….
These British and Canadian findings mirror those most recently reported by the New York State Health Department. It finds that the daily rate per 100,000 of COVID-19 hospitalizations stands at 4.56 for fully vaccinated people, compared to 58.27 for unvaccinated people. That means vaccinations are 92.3 percent effective at preventing hospitalization from COVID-19.”
this report from a notorious left wing web site (I am sure Carol will say it is like Reuters) :
https://reason.com/2022/01/06/omicron-vs-the-unvaccinated-and-the-vaccinated/
addendum: data on 3rd shots and vaccines from Alberta. Essentially: “The hospitalization rate among 3x-vaccinated 80+ year olds is lower than the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated 12-29-year-olds.”
HW for the win