What Happened to Clothes?

 

In the prophetic movie Idiocracy (watch the key part here! – NSFW), all the idiots in the future wear Crocs. The writer said, “I thought the worst thing that would come true was everyone wearing Crocs.” Life imitates humor.

From bottom to top: once upon a time, not so very long ago, people wore hats. All people — from dock workers to railway-layers — wore hats. It was a part of being fully dressed. Indeed, it was a reflection on the person in every respect: class, job, status, etc.

That was a long time ago, of course. Daily wear of hats was abandoned by most people during my lifetime.

Today I noticed that even in my straight-laced orthodox Jewish community where people wear suit jackets (and usually hats) all the time, classy footwear has been totally abandoned. Gone are most formal shoes. Black sneakers are common. And so are – gasp – Crocs. For formal Sabbath wear.

The top went first. The bottoms are gone. And all the middle is on its way out. People wear pajamas in public.

Clothes still have meaning, they reflect on the wearer. But what people choose to wear today does not say anything good about the wearers. The emperor has clothes, but they make him look like he belongs in a movie that takes place in 2505.

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  1. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

     

    I’ll say this though. No matter how relaxed I am, even on a cruise, I’d never wear a muscle shirt in public.

    Those who can, do. Those who can’t, snark. ;)

    The dunning-kruger effect can apply to clothing too, methinks. 

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  2. Percival Thatcher
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    You’ve got the silver knob-handled ebon cane that comes with the rest of the outfit, right?

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  3. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    You’ve got the silver knob-handled ebon cane that comes with the rest of the outfit, right?

    I did in fact have a cane that night, but gold handle with the emblem of the State of GA on the top, that was my cane for pictures when I got married. I gave canes as groomsmen gifts.

    Also, my wife made my stick pin. It is a stylized S

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  4. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    You’ve got the silver knob-handled ebon cane that comes with the rest of the outfit, right?

    I did in fact have a cane that night, but gold handle with the emblem of the State of GA on the top, that was my cane for pictures when I got married. I gave canes as groomsmen gifts.

    Also, my wife made my stick pin. It is a stylized S

    It’s not a cane; it’s a walking stick.  I have two, a “silver” headed one, and one with the Marine Corp Globe and Anchor.

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  5. The Girlie Show Member
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    I refuse to take a man seriously unless he dresses like this:

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  6. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    I wonder if the change in clothing was related to the development and widespread distribution of washing machines and dryers.  These appliances made it much easier to wash clothes of a certain type.  It is difficult to wash dress clothes, usually requiring a dry cleaner.

    I have limited information about bathing and clothes-washing in the olden days.  I do seem to recall that in Farmer Boy, Laura Ingalls Wilder wrote about Almanzo’s family having one bath a week.  Doing the laundry was a difficult job, and people didn’t seem to have many sets of clothes, so I suspect that their clothing was often as dirty as their bodies.

    So I speculate that changing clothing patterns may be related to changing norms of cleanliness, driven by technological improvement.

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  7. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Bryan, Only you could pull off the tophat.

    I went full regency. Vest and that is a coat with tails

    I am surprised that you weren’t tagged as a potential threat.  

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  8. Percival Thatcher
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    You’ve got the silver knob-handled ebon cane that comes with the rest of the outfit, right?

    I did in fact have a cane that night, but gold handle with the emblem of the State of GA on the top, that was my cane for pictures when I got married. I gave canes as groomsmen gifts.

    Also, my wife made my stick pin. It is a stylized S

    It’s not a cane; it’s a walking stick. I have two, a “silver” headed one, and one with the Marine Corp Globe and Anchor.

    Bah. Cane == walking stick.

    If silver would suffice, Byran, then gold certainly will.

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  9. Amy Schley, Longcat Shrinker Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I wonder if the change in clothing was related to the development and widespread distribution of washing machines and dryers. These appliances made it much easier to wash clothes of a certain type. It is difficult to wash dress clothes, usually requiring a dry cleaner.

    I have limited information about bathing and clothes-washing in the olden days. I do seem to recall that in Farmer Boy, Laura Ingalls Wilder wrote about Almanzo’s family having one bath a week. Doing the laundry was a difficult job, and people didn’t seem to have many sets of clothes, so I suspect that their clothing was often as dirty as their bodies.

    So I speculate that changing clothing patterns may be related to changing norms of cleanliness, driven by technological improvement.

    That’s a huge part of it. 

    One under-appreciated aspect is the importance of undergarments in older fashions. You didn’t have to wash the suit coat and pants nearly so often because the undershirts and shorts would be wicking the sweat away from the body to where it could evaporate away. When the clothes don’t absorb and hold in the moisture, you don’t get bacteria colonies causing stench.

    Like I mentioned earlier, Chef has gone to wearing linen and wool knit undershirts to work. They keep the moisture off his skin so he stays cool and dry … and by keeping his skin dry, his body odor after a hard day has decreased enormously. In fact, the shirts do such a good job that he can wear them again without washing — the odor is that well controlled by proper moisture management. 

    Yeah, it feels a bit weird to pay $50 for an undershirt that has to be washed in the delicates when a cheap poly-blend will run you $10. But getting the cheapest possible garment means accepting all kinds of unpleasant tradeoffs that you might not even realize you’ve made. 

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  10. Sandy Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Ah yes, the good ‘ol perennial “why don’t men dress like they used to” post. Comes up every few months, and provides me with the opportunity to post images of how men used to dress fifty years ago.

    Look, I was there for the 70s. Nobody actually dressed like that anymore than they dress like THIS today:

    https://www.datocms-assets.com/39109/1617731064-mens-paris-fashion-week-2021.jpg?auto=format%2Ccompress

    Not in Wisconsin, anyway.  Not so sure about New York, Los Angeles, and London.  Another good reason to be in Wisconsin.

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  11. Randy Webster Inactive
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    The Girlie Show (View Comment):

    I refuse to take a man seriously unless he dresses like this:

    I’m afraid you’ll have to think me frivolous.

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  12. The Girlie Show Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    The Girlie Show (View Comment):

    I refuse to take a man seriously unless he dresses like this:

    I’m afraid you’ll have to think me frivolous.

    Way ahead of ya.

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  13. She Member
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    Amy Schley, Longcat Shrinker (View Comment):

    Chef watches a lot of historical dressmakers and costumers on YouTube. Several of them now live their whole lives in historic dress and shock other people by how comfortable those clothes are.

    First, historic clothing is made of much better fabric. Wearing layers of cotton, linen, silk, and wool is nothing like being encased in the layers of various plastics and polyesters in cheap off-the-shelf clothes made today.

    Second, far from the torture devices they are slandered as, historic undergarments like corsets and stays were quite comfortable. For a large-breasted woman, a corset is enormously more comfortable than the modern options. A properly fitting bra is supposed to be so tight around the ribcage that friction keeps it from sliding down. Most women wear their bands too loose, and so all the weight is put on their shoulders. A corset, by contrast, supports that weight with a woman’s hips.

    Third, historic clothing was tailored to the wearer. By creating a pattern unique to each person, the seamstress could do things like cut arm holes much tighter into the armpit so that range of arm motion wasn’t as limited.

    A lovely comment, and one much appreciated by a woman who wears little but cotton, wool, linen, and (occasionally) silk herself.

    In addition to all the benefits described WRT natural fabrics and historic tailoring, one thing a person wearing the aforementioned never had to worry about (just as well in terms of antiquated notions of cleanliness) was the stink of the fabric itself.  Artificial fabrics attract oil and odors from our skin, which is one of the reasons they smell so bad.  Don’t believe me?  Look it up.  Science!

    Lord knows, Mr. She’s and my marriage survived much.  But his affection for, and attachment to, hi-tech undergarment fabric was almost a deal-breaker.  Phew.

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  14. She Member
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    Amy Schley, Longcat Shrinker (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Currently, my issue is FINDING shoes that fit my comfort and style needs.

    My favorite?  Naot.

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  15. Stina Inactive
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Is your shoe repair guy still working or is he gone?

    He’s still there, hanging on. Online orders helps, and some people are now bringing in tennis shoes. I’m bringing old ravaged Converse pairs just to throw him some work.

     

    I may send my shoes then. They probably aren’t high enough quality to justify it, but I can’t find anything else like them and I don’t want anything else, lol.

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  16. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I wonder if the change in clothing was related to the development and widespread distribution of washing machines and dryers. These appliances made it much easier to wash clothes of a certain type. It is difficult to wash dress clothes, usually requiring a dry cleaner.

    I have limited information about bathing and clothes-washing in the olden days. I do seem to recall that in Farmer Boy, Laura Ingalls Wilder wrote about Almanzo’s family having one bath a week. Doing the laundry was a difficult job, and people didn’t seem to have many sets of clothes, so I suspect that their clothing was often as dirty as their bodies.

    So I speculate that changing clothing patterns may be related to changing norms of cleanliness, driven by technological improvement.

    I do think this has something to do with it. 

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  17. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    I have scheduled a personal fitting session with Square Threads on Friday. Time to get fitted to today’s size. thanks for the push, @amyschley.

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  18. Quietpi Member
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    Sandy (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Ah yes, the good ‘ol perennial “why don’t men dress like they used to” post. Comes up every few months, and provides me with the opportunity to post images of how men used to dress fifty years ago.

    Look, I was there for the 70s. Nobody actually dressed like that anymore than they dress like THIS today:

    https://www.datocms-assets.com/39109/1617731064-mens-paris-fashion-week-2021.jpg?auto=format%2Ccompress

    Not in Wisconsin, anyway. Not so sure about New York, Los Angeles, and London. Another good reason to be in Wisconsin.

    I remember “men” dressed like that in the ’60’s.  We called them “lounge lizards.” 

    Because they were.

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  19. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Stina (View Comment):
    But I’m always somewhat paranoid about my derrier  hanging out my skirt after sitting down. I always smooth it sitting and when getting up. 

    I know the feeling. 

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  20. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    But, I have no fetish about people having to be uncomfortable. Ties are uncomfortable. Expensive dress shoes are less comfortable than sneakers.

    I maintain that tie discomfort is mostly a sign that the shirt collar is too small. Too many men are still trying to wear the same shirt size they did when they were first fitted as a teenager. Almost every man needs a larger collar at age 35 than he did at age 17, often by a couple of inches.

    How dare you. I resemble your remark.

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  21. EB Thatcher
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    Stina (View Comment):
    I’ve never used the airplane bathrooms

    If you had ever flown overseas, you wouldn’t be able to say that.  5-7 hours (or 15 to Australia) is a bit long to eschew the lavatory.

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  22. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    The great Adam Carolla had the best comment about Crocs:

    ”Wearing Crocs is like getting a blow job from a dude. It feels pretty good, and then you look down.” 

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  23. The Girlie Show Member
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    The great Adam Carolla had the best comment about Crocs:

    ”Wearing Crocs is like getting a blow job from a dude. It feels pretty good, and then you look down.”

    Except I don’t know any gay guys who would enjoy wearing Crocs.

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  24. Randy Webster Inactive
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    The great Adam Carolla had the best comment about Crocs:

    ”Wearing Crocs is like getting a blow job from a dude. It feels pretty good, and then you look down.”

    It sounds sort of like what Harley guys say about Honda riders.

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  25. MarciN Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Is your shoe repair guy still working or is he gone?

    He’s still there, hanging on. Online orders helps, and some people are now bringing in tennis shoes. I’m bringing old ravaged Converse pairs just to throw him some work.

    I may send my shoes then. They probably aren’t high enough quality to justify it, but I can’t find anything else like them and I don’t want anything else, lol.

    On a long ago thread about shoes, Amy talked about the importance getting properly measured. Apparently, I learned, our feet get longer.

    I took her advice. And it turned out that my feet were a full size longer than they had been ten years before when I last had them measured. Finally, after thinking that comfortable shoes for me did not exist anywhere on planet earth, I have many new pairs that are the right size. And I have @amyschley Amy Schley to thank for that. :-) :-)

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  26. James Lileks Contributor
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    How does he fix those?  I’ve had shoes resoled, but I’m not sure how cobblers fix chucks.

    He patches the tears, dyes the patches as best as he can, and uses a variety of chemicals to clean the white rubber trim. Chucks are hard, though.

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  27. James Lileks Contributor
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    Stina (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Is your shoe repair guy still working or is he gone?

    He’s still there, hanging on. Online orders helps, and some people are now bringing in tennis shoes. I’m bringing old ravaged Converse pairs just to throw him some work.

     

    I may send my shoes then. They probably aren’t high enough quality to justify it, but I can’t find anything else like them and I don’t want anything else, lol.

    He’s a magician. 

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  28. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Amy Schley, Longcat Shrinker (View Comment):

    As someone who has sold a lot of shoes, I place the blame on inflation and outsourcing.

    This is a men’s shoe ad in 1964:

    Eight dollars in 1964 is around $70 today, according to official inflation data. To actually get a similar show with a leather upper, leather liner, and leather sole, you’re looking at a minimum $100, and often quite a bit more. That’s a massive increase that even people who might be interested in buying such shoes are likely to be put off by.

    So those who are disinclined toward what they see as unnecessary expenditure seek out cheaper substitutes. Those substitutes are available around $50 or so thanks to outsourcing, and they’re terrible. They fit poorly; the materials combine uncomfortablity and short life span in an unholy union. And instead of blaming their own cheapness for buying crap, they write off the entire category of grown-up shoes.

    Enter the Croc. They are one of the most comfortable shoes you can get at their price point ($30 – $50). They actually have a healthy amount of room in the toes. They actually have some limited arch support. They’re hardly buy-it-for-life quality, but they don’t self-destruct in three months. I would never recommend buying them, but I can’t deny that they are one of the best options at their price point.

    I was watching “Andy Griffith” recently, and when the camera panned over  the price board in the barber shop, a shoe shine was 29 cents. A shave was 39 cents. I don’t even know if most men today would go to the barber’s just for a shave.

    The TV show was filmed around 1964. So roughly taking your equation as an inflation guide, a shave would cost around $ 3.60.

    So I can’t imagine a barber’s reaction if some guy  entered his place and said, “I’d like a shave. That’s gonna cost me $ 3.60, right? And can I get a $ 2.70 shoe shine to go with it?”

     

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  29. Randy Webster Inactive
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    I don’t even know if most men today would go to the barber’s just for a shave.

    I got a shave in a barber shop once.  It was in the 80’s.  I don’t remember what it cost.  She used a straight razor.  She said that the razor was the reason barbers had to be licensed.

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  30. Flicker Coolidge
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Amy Schley, Longcat Shrinker (View Comment):
    As someone who has sold a lot of shoes, I place the blame on inflation and outsourcing.

    You may have a point: The two dress shoe brands I used to wear were outsourced overseas and no longer fit comfortably at all. (I heard from a shoe salesman that at least part of the problem is that the new overseas factories did not get the old factories’ lasts but made their own with little attempt to be faithful to the designs.)

    On the other hand, the trend away from dress shoes, hats, suits, etc began long before that.

    My great-grandfather is reputed to have said, Wear the best hat, the best gloves and the best shoes.  Other than that you can wear rags and still look good.

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