What Happened to Clothes?

 

In the prophetic movie Idiocracy (watch the key part here! – NSFW), all the idiots in the future wear Crocs. The writer said, “I thought the worst thing that would come true was everyone wearing Crocs.” Life imitates humor.

From bottom to top: once upon a time, not so very long ago, people wore hats. All people — from dock workers to railway-layers — wore hats. It was a part of being fully dressed. Indeed, it was a reflection on the person in every respect: class, job, status, etc.

That was a long time ago, of course. Daily wear of hats was abandoned by most people during my lifetime.

Today I noticed that even in my straight-laced orthodox Jewish community where people wear suit jackets (and usually hats) all the time, classy footwear has been totally abandoned. Gone are most formal shoes. Black sneakers are common. And so are – gasp – Crocs. For formal Sabbath wear.

The top went first. The bottoms are gone. And all the middle is on its way out. People wear pajamas in public.

Clothes still have meaning, they reflect on the wearer. But what people choose to wear today does not say anything good about the wearers. The emperor has clothes, but they make him look like he belongs in a movie that takes place in 2505.

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  1. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    One of our favorite movies is Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House. We watch it once a year. :-) It was produced in 1948.

    I cannot find a clip of just the opening sequences, but if you fast-forward to about one minute into the video, you’ll see the actual footage of Manhattan the opening of the movie includes. What a different and better world it was.

    People treated themselves with respect and one another. I think the loss of the Standard Manhattan Uniform has been accompanied by the loss of manners.

    I have a theory that it is harder to be poor today than it was back then. People were nice to everyone around them back then. There was a middle-class code of dress and behavior that ensured the emotional safety of the poor.

    I can’t help wondering if the poor are angry all the time because the middle class is treating them so shabbily.

    Clothing matters a lot. I used to make my family get a little bit dressed up for dinner sometimes–mostly around the holidays. I was always shocked at how changing their clothes also improved their manners. :-)

    It’s a complex equation–clothing, manners, community–but they are all related.

    I was planning on getting a tee shirt with “Let’s go, Brandon!” on the front to wear on Thanksgiving.  Would that be dressy enough? 

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  2. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    One interesting aspect of the past (at least, as it filters through the entertainment media) is that even people who struggled with making ends meet seemed to have reserved enough to hire housekeepers. Whatever happened to that?

    Legal immigrants then, . . . now. 

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  3. Jim McConnell Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    I think sandals are disgusting. You can see FEET in them! Feet are gross.

    I don’t see a lot of sandals here in north Texas. Probably because there are too many hazards at ground level (snakes, spiders, fire ants, etc., plus stickers from various plants) to risk exposing your feet.

    Another good reason to move to Texas. (The list gets longer and longer.)

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  4. Amy Schley, Longcat Shrinker Coolidge
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    But, I have no fetish about people having to be uncomfortable. Ties are uncomfortable. Expensive dress shoes are less comfortable than sneakers.

    I maintain that tie discomfort is mostly a sign that the shirt collar is too small. Too many men are still trying to wear the same shirt size they did when they were first fitted as a teenager. Almost every man needs a larger collar at age 35 than he did at age 17, often by a couple of inches.

    Not to mention waists. Gentlemen, squeezing yourself into the same waistband you had twenty pounds ago makes you look fatter than wearing the correct size. 

    Properly fitting business clothes are comfortable for all day wear. When they’re also made of the right materials (no synthetic fabrics; high quality cotton, linen, silk, or wool) they are also thermally comfortable. Chef has gone to wearing wool or linen undershirts as his base layer when in the restaurant kitchen because they do such an excellent job of wicking the sweat off his skin, keeping him cooler and dryer. 

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  5. Michael Brehm Lincoln
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    One of our favorite movies is Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House. We watch it once a year. :-) It was produced in 1948.

    I cannot find a clip of just the opening sequences, but if you fast-forward to about one minute into the video, you’ll see the actual footage of Manhattan the opening of the movie includes. What a different and better world it was.

    People treated themselves with respect and one another. I think the loss of the Standard Manhattan Uniform has been accompanied by the loss of manners.

    I have a theory that it is harder to be poor today than it was back then. People were nice to everyone around them back then. There was a middle-class code of dress and behavior that ensured the emotional safety of the poor.

    I can’t help wondering if the poor are angry all the time because the middle class is treating them so shabbily.

    Clothing matters a lot. I used to make my family get a little bit dressed up for dinner sometimes–mostly around the holidays. I was always shocked at how changing their clothes also improved their manners. :-)

    It’s a complex equation–clothing, manners, community–but they are all related.

    You don’t even have to go back as far as 1948. I remember catching an episode of Dallas on TV Land a few years ago: I found it remarkable that everyone in the office was wearing a suit (or a long skirt and blouse for the women) and nobody had a computer on their desk (but that’s another story).

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  6. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    At the risk of being liberal or libertarian, why do any of you care how someone else is dressed? It is literally none of your business.

    Literally, no. That said, if everyone slouches around in sweats and T-shirts with nasty slogans, it degrades the public square. The world isn’t your basement! Have some respect! Make an effort!

    Now, you can judge them all you want too. But I’d seems like a waste of energy to me.

    There’s no energy involved in a quick assessment of someone else’s comportment.

     

    It does.

    I find when I put on a hat I get nothing but kudos. the fact others dress poor makes me stand out.

    I’ll say this though. No matter how relaxed I am, even on a cruise, I’d never wear a muscle shirt in public. 

     

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  7. Michael Brehm Lincoln
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    In other news I would be down for bringing back the fedora, but unfortunately the look has been polluted in recent days by Internet atheists and Max Boot.

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  8. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    Ah yes, the good ‘ol perennial “why don’t men dress like they used to” post.  Comes up every few months, and provides me with the opportunity to post images of how men used to dress fifty years ago.

    And then there’s the way men dressed prior to the 20th century. It’s funny how the “good ol’ days” of men’s fashion always seems to be the short period from the 1920s to the 1940s when this topic comes up.

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  9. Percival Thatcher
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    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    And then there’s the way men dressed prior to the 20th century. It’s funny how the “good ol’ days” of men’s fashion always seems to be the short period from the 1920s to the 1940s when this topic comes up.

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  10. Amy Schley, Longcat Shrinker Coolidge
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    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):
    Ah yes, the good ‘ol perennial “why don’t men dress like they used to” post.  Comes up every few months, and provides me with the opportunity to post images of how men used to dress fifty years ago.

    I would like to take this opportunity to note just as how “made in Bangladesh” et al shoes make people think all grown up shoes are terrible and uncomfortable, these kind of “suits” make people think any suit is also uncomfortable. 

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):
    And then there’s the way men dressed prior to the 20th century. It’s funny how the “good ol’ days” of men’s fashion always seems to be the short period from the 1920s to the 1940s when this topic comes up.

    Eh, I would say that men’s fashion was fine from 1820 or so until 1960ish. Sure, there were changes, but they were variations on themes, and all of them managed to combine taste, comfort, and adulthood.

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  11. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Several years ago, we were discussing “The Natural.”  I pointed out that the men in the stands were wearing sport coats and ties.  My interlocutor insisted that that was a movie, and an unreliable source.  Here’s a picture of the stands at Ebbett’s field at a ball game in 1920.

     

     

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  12. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Ah yes, the good ‘ol perennial “why don’t men dress like they used to” post. Comes up every few months, and provides me with the opportunity to post images of how men used to dress fifty years ago.

    Look, I was there for the 70s. Nobody actually dressed like that anymore than they dress like THIS today:

    https://www.datocms-assets.com/39109/1617731064-mens-paris-fashion-week-2021.jpg?auto=format%2Ccompress

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  13. KentForrester Inactive
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    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Ah yes, the good ‘ol perennial “why don’t men dress like they used to” post. Comes up every few months, and provides me with the opportunity to post images of how men used to dress fifty years ago.

    If a man had come into my neighborhood fifty years ago looking like this, he would have gotten his clock cleaned.  

     

     

     

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  14. Randy Webster Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Ah yes, the good ‘ol perennial “why don’t men dress like they used to” post. Comes up every few months, and provides me with the opportunity to post images of how men used to dress fifty years ago.

    Look, I was there for the 70s. Nobody actually dressed like that anymore than they dress like THIS today:

    https://www.datocms-assets.com/39109/1617731064-mens-paris-fashion-week-2021.jpg?auto=format%2Ccompress

    I was around 50 years ago, and I dressed nothing like that.

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  15. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    I was around 50 years ago, and I dressed nothing like that.

    Jeans and T-shirts.  The same as it’s been for the last 50 years.

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  16. Caryn Thatcher
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Caryn (View Comment):

    Should I even bring up how people dress on airplanes these days???

    The way they cram people in like sardines, I dress for comfort there and you won’t be stopping me from doing so even as I agree with the rest. Smoothing skirts to sit properly is impossible to do in such tiny space.

    Agreed, but short-shorts, halter tops, and flip-flops?

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  17. Percival Thatcher
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Ah yes, the good ‘ol perennial “why don’t men dress like they used to” post. Comes up every few months, and provides me with the opportunity to post images of how men used to dress fifty years ago.

    Look, I was there for the 70s. Nobody actually dressed like that anymore than they dress like THIS today:

    https://www.datocms-assets.com/39109/1617731064-mens-paris-fashion-week-2021.jpg?auto=format%2Ccompress

    I was around 50 years ago, and I dressed nothing like that.

    The guy at top-right with the flowery print shirt and blue pastel pants? Add a wide white leather belt and he would have looked like a member of my jazz band back in high school. He’d probably get hazed about not buttoning his shirt up higher, though.

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  18. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Caryn (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Caryn (View Comment):

    Should I even bring up how people dress on airplanes these days???

    The way they cram people in like sardines, I dress for comfort there and you won’t be stopping me from doing so even as I agree with the rest. Smoothing skirts to sit properly is impossible to do in such tiny space.

    Agreed, but short-shorts, halter tops, and flip-flops?

    They’re entertaining the male passengers.

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  19. Caryn Thatcher
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Caryn (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Caryn (View Comment):

    Should I even bring up how people dress on airplanes these days???

    The way they cram people in like sardines, I dress for comfort there and you won’t be stopping me from doing so even as I agree with the rest. Smoothing skirts to sit properly is impossible to do in such tiny space.

    Agreed, but short-shorts, halter tops, and flip-flops?

    They’re entertaining the male passengers.

    Some of those are the male passengers!  Okay, maybe not halter tops, but close.

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  20. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    At the risk of being liberal or libertarian, why do any of you care how someone else is dressed? It is literally none of your business.

    Literally, no. That said, if everyone slouches around in sweats and T-shirts with nasty slogans, it degrades the public square. The world isn’t your basement! Have some respect! Make an effort!

    Now, you can judge them all you want too. But I’d seems like a waste of energy to me.

    There’s no energy involved in a quick assessment of someone else’s comportment.

     

    It does.

    I find when I put on a hat I get nothing but kudos. the fact others dress poor makes me stand out.

    I’ll say this though. No matter how relaxed I am, even on a cruise, I’d never wear a muscle shirt in public.

     

    A muscle shirt requires, as a minimum, muscles.  

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  21. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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  22. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Now THIS couple knows how to fly.  No pajamas on airplanes for them!

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  23. Stina Member
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    Caryn (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Caryn (View Comment):

    Should I even bring up how people dress on airplanes these days???

    The way they cram people in like sardines, I dress for comfort there and you won’t be stopping me from doing so even as I agree with the rest. Smoothing skirts to sit properly is impossible to do in such tiny space.

    Agreed, but short-shorts, halter tops, and flip-flops?

    Heh. That’s not comfortable, either.

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  24. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Bryan,  Only you could pull off the tophat.

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  25. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Bryan, Only you could pull off the tophat.

    I went full regency. Vest and that is a coat with tails

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  26. James Lileks Contributor
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Is your shoe repair guy still working or is he gone?

    He’s still there, hanging on. Online orders helps, and some people are now bringing in tennis shoes. I’m bringing old ravaged Converse pairs just to throw him some work.

     

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  27. James Lileks Contributor
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

     

    I’ll say this though. No matter how relaxed I am, even on a cruise, I’d never wear a muscle shirt in public.

    Those who can, do. Those who can’t, snark. ;)

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  28. Randy Webster Inactive
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Is your shoe repair guy still working or is he gone?

    He’s still there, hanging on. Online orders helps, and some people are now bringing in tennis shoes. I’m bringing old ravaged Converse pairs just to throw him some work.

     

    How does he fix those?  I’ve had shoes resoled, but I’m not sure how cobblers fix chucks.

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  29. Randy Webster Inactive
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

     

    I’ll say this though. No matter how relaxed I am, even on a cruise, I’d never wear a muscle shirt in public.

    Those who can, do. Those who can’t, snark. ;)

    I’ll have to be satisfied with snarking.

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  30. James Lileks Contributor
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    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Ah yes, the good ‘ol perennial “why don’t men dress like they used to” post. Comes up every few months, and provides me with the opportunity to post images of how men used to dress fifty years ago.

    But those disco-pimpish clothes were outliers. Granted, it infected men’s casual wear, but the Sears and Penneys catalogs were much, much more conservative. The suit may have gone polyester, the tie wide as an ironing board with a knot big enough to seat four, but it was still a suit.

     

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