OSHA to Employers: Vaccines More Important Than Occupational Safety, Health

 

The fix is still in, not news. But here’s a nifty little corner I found poking out from beneath the carpet, from (apparently) May 2021:

DOL and OSHA, as well as other federal agencies, are working diligently to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations. OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers’ vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904’s recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination at least through May 2022. We will reevaluate the agency’s position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward.

https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine

And what was there before May 2021? (I cannot validate the dates — that’s why I went to the site for the current version and linked it above.)

Well, that ought to keep the recorded side effects nice and low. Exhibit 4,783 in why I do not trust ANY of the numbers this compromised, runaway government puts out. I will not sign up for the shot-of-the-month club, and I support people whose shot record is less compliant than mine (reasons). I am not even arguing the medical or health aspect of this. Uncle Joe Biden, this IS about our freedom, our personal choice.

See how this works?

Big Goverment: “If YOU [a business] mandate the shot, you must report adverse reactions. If WE [government] mandate the shot, you are not required to report side effects. We simply refuse to enforce the law we wrote about that a while back. Changed our minds, conveniently enough.”

Which is just as well anyway because (unless this has changed recently) nobody is liable for damages from this supposedly safe and increasingly legally mandatory shot. Not Pfizer, not the government, not the employer, not the hospital, not the testing company. If this thing takes you out — that’s nobody’s fault but yours.

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  1. Ray Kujawa Coolidge
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    BDB:

    DOL and OSHA, as well as other federal agencies, are working diligently to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations. OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers’ vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904’s recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination at least through May 2022. We will reevaluate the agency’s position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward.

    https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine

    How is this not one-sided? Requirements to report worker side  effects reassure  workers that faulty medicines will be controlled and corrected or halted. If the workers know their cases are not being raised to higher authorities, they will invariably feel that any problems will be covered over and their cares are being disregarded. Workers would rightly expect that prior OSHA reporting practices would apply to the current pandemic. But how would they not know or learn of this change from prior practice? Workers are a community of people who, having similar concerns, will talk between and amongst themselves and learn about any cases of fellow workings having problems as a result of taking the medicine. For authorities and employees to not be cognizant of this truth about workforces is to insultingly treat them like lemmings, or worse, experimental test subjects who don’t have the right to object. Does this not sound like something the Nuremberg Code was intended to address? Given that employers would know these facts in advance of any experiment (sorry, mandate), it is absurd for this perspective evidently being conveyed for the purpose primarily of allaying concerns about problems of implementing any mass introduction of the medication into its workforce. Such program could only be successful if it were completely voluntary, but also supported by agreements with the workforce to record and report side effects and offers of appropriate recompense in the event of severe side effects attributable to the medicines. Without these, any program of mandatory medication is bound to be met with resistance and distrust.

    For a good discussion of vaccine mandates, Glenn Greenwald had a good review of the recent changes in the ACLU’s position since Covid-19.

    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-aclu-prior-to-covid-denounced

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    Any link is there perchance?

    Apparently, we’re not worthy of a link. See above.

    no, it is not worthy of a link because the claim can’t be believed and the counter claim can’t be believed. You can’t believe anyone about anything, so what good would a link do?

    Then the least you can do is stop banging on about something that you can’t be bothered to talk about with people who aren’t worth your time. Good-bye.

    I think my point is lost on you.

    I think your point is clear.

    You are the master of being rational, while others are emotional.

    No. Just a few if you.

    Same sense of arrogance. And to claim that somehow, you are more reasoned that the likes of Saint A on Ricochet is pretty irrational in and of itself. 

     

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  3. BDB Inactive
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    Any link is there perchance?

    Apparently, we’re not worthy of a link. See above.

    no, it is not worthy of a link because the claim can’t be believed and the counter claim can’t be believed. You can’t believe anyone about anything, so what good would a link do?

    Then the least you can do is stop banging on about something that you can’t be bothered to talk about with people who aren’t worth your time. Good-bye.

    I think my point is lost on you.

    Oh I get your point. I made the *same point* in a post a couple of days ago, that nobody can actually convince anybody of anything through argument.  Only I did it without a drive-by trolling “deboooonked” and then hauling my nose so high that my shorts shifted.  Why, I wasn’t even rude when I did it.  You’ve convinced me of something, it’s true, but not the point you wished to make, and certainly not through argument.

    Take care now.

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  4. Ray Kujawa Coolidge
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    This is such a stupid issue. It’s the kind of stupid issue that might finally tear us apart as a country.

    SNIP

     

    You say that taking a stand against an “innocuous” vaccination is not the hill to stand on.

    Why? In part it is because you have not yet been vax injured.

    Get back to me after you have such severe blood clots in both legs that they are amputated. (As was the case of a woman in Minnesota.) Get back to me when a young male relative of yours spends three weeks in a hospital due to a heart problem resulting from the vaccine. That hospital stay wipes out half the college fund his parents have paid into. Plus now he won’t be eligible for the soccer scholarship many in the family thought he might get. (Myocarditis is such that intense athletic activity is often a “no no.”)

    Or check out how journalist Sharyl Attkisson has devoted a lot of her website to tracking the reports of the adverse effects of the COV vaccines, because that way social media cannot take down the reports if they are on her site

    https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/09/exclusive-summary-covid-19-vaccine-concerns/
    Updated Sept 12, 2021 with study finding teenage boys face much higher heart risk from vaccine than Covid
    Updated Sept.10,2021 with Israel study on majority of hospitalized being vaccinated
    Updated Sept. 9, 2021 with CDC study about increased myocarditis/heart inflammation risk, lymphadenopathy, appendicitis, and herpes zoster infection
    Updated Sept. 4, 2021 with acute CNS demyelination after Pfizer and Moderna vaccines
    Updated Aug. 30, 2021 with Functional Neurological Disorder
    Updated Aug. 24, 2021 with waning immunity
    Updated Aug. 17, 2021 with Bell’s Palsy analysis, Hong Kong
    Updated Aug. 16, 2021 with Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) study
    Updated Aug. 5, 2021 with heart disorders more common than CDC reported from database
    Updated July 22, 2021 with EU warning about Guillain-Barre autoimmune paralysis after Johnson and Johnson vaccination.
    Updated July 12, 2021 with new FDA warning of Guillain-Barre autoimmune paralysis cases after vaccination.
    Updated July 12, 2021 with reports of Graves disease autoimmune disorder after vaccination.
    Updated July 1, 2021 with reports of Guillain-Barre paralysis cases after vaccination.
    Updated June 30, 2021 with news of first case of blood clot disorder in double-dose RNA vaccine.

     

    Thank you CarolJoy. But there are I believe also moral reasons for not taking a leaky transfection innoculation which is not sufficient to prevent infection and not sufficient to prevent transmission. It is that the disease will be propagated without end and select for increasingly deadly variants until most of the population is wiped out. This is what happened in the poultry industry with Marek’s disease. I refuse to be a conscious willing participant of the chain for this biowarfare on Western civilization.

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  5. Stad Coolidge
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    Then there’s this:

    https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2021/09/13/sure-sounds-like-oshas-going-to-have-a-hard-time-enforcing-bidens-federal-vaccine-mandate-n415594

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  6. CRD Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    This is such a stupid issue. It’s the kind of stupid issue that might finally tear us apart as a country.

    I can imagine, if I were in that time and place, back in 1860 or so and people started talking about secession. I would have said, this is such a stupid issue. There are so many other reasons that are more important and you guys want to hang your hat on slavery? Really? Making people chattel is your reason for secession? And for most people it wasn’t, but that’s another argument.

    Today, in my opinion there is no reason not to get vaccinated. Even if it doesn’t work, there are scarce any side effects. There’s no reason to doubt that it’s safe.

    I have many friends who insist they will resist to their dying breath, unemployed and homeless, that they will not ever take this vaccine. I respect their opinion, I wish them well, but I don’t think this is the sword to fall on.

    But it seems we might be heading that way. The Progressives have succeeded in turning the Trump Vaccine into the evil government progressive vaccine. Passions are hot and we continue to be divided on every issue in our lives. Soon the Ministry of Funny Walks will declare that you have to walk starting with your left foot, not your right foot and people will be shot over it. Big Endians and Little Endians will stand each other up against the wall.

    I say stop it. This stupid, mild disease, and this stupid innocuous inoculation are not worth fighting over. It won’t hurt you and it will very likely help you. Get it.

    But then again, that won’t placate the other side who are already telling us to get the shot every six months. There’s no escape.

     

    I wish I can be confident in my reading comprehension skill. I wrote a comment explaining why “this is the sword to fall on” for me. But in rereading your comment, this jumped out – “There are so many other reasons that are more important and you guys want to hang your hat on slavery? Really? Making people chattel is your reason for secession?” Now, I am not sure whether I have missed your sarcasm on the first pass. Did I?

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  7. drlorentz Member
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    Mollie Hemingway gave a great acceptance speech for some award she received. It’s worth reading because it sums up the current situation well.

    As lesser men cower in the face of the risk, the cost of standing up to the system becomes steeper and steeper. While you will not be locked up for saying the truth, yet, you will be demonized, stigmatized, deplatformed. You may lose your job.

    She concludes with

    …figuring out where to aim our fire is not that difficult right now. It brings to mind a quote from legendary Marine Chesty Puller: “They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can’t get away from us now!”

    It’s a target-rich environment. Now go out and pick one.

    Yes, ma’am.

     

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  8. J Climacus Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    This is such a stupid issue. It’s the kind of stupid issue that might finally tear us apart as a country.

    I can imagine, if I were in that time and place, back in 1860 or so and people started talking about secession. I would have said, this is such a stupid issue. There are so many other reasons that are more important and you guys want to hang your hat on slavery? Really? Making people chattel is your reason for secession? And for most people it wasn’t, but that’s another argument.

    Today, in my opinion there is no reason not to get vaccinated. Even if it doesn’t work, there are scarce any side effects. There’s no reason to doubt that it’s safe.

    I have many friends who insist they will resist to their dying breath, unemployed and homeless, that they will not ever take this vaccine. I respect their opinion, I wish them well, but I don’t think this is the sword to fall on.

    With respect, what do you think the sword to fall on is regarding covid? Last year we started with a two-week lockdown to “flatten the curve” that extended well into the following year. Draconian masking, social distancing and curfew regulations were put in place that bankrupted thousands of small businesses among other deleterious social effects. I thought that most of that was probably unnecessary but went along with it. We were told early this year that if you got the jab, you were good to go back to normal, notwithstanding whether anyone else got the jab or not. Half the country is now vaccinated, many others have natural immunity, but that’s not enough somehow, now we need to see people fired for not getting the jab. It never ends.

    Nothing here was the hill to die on. Well, ok, what is? Is there any step that might be taken that you would say – sorry, no more? Because the history is that the promised return to normal never happens, there’s always a yet further anti-covid step that must be taken that involves some infringement on liberty, so even if everyone gets the jab, nothing will change. There will just be more jabs or something else. When do we say no more?

     

     

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  9. Flicker Coolidge
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    I asked someone: Why, in 12 words or less, does the government want to make everyone take the vaccine?  Answer: There are too many people and they want to kill them all off.

    I said: That’s thirteen.  And he went on about control, and so forth and I asked the question again.

    He said: You have to control people to kill them off.

    I said: Nine.  That’s better.

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  10. drlorentz Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    I asked someone: Why, in 12 words or less, does the government want to make everyone take the vaccine?

    I can do it in one: submission. 

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  11. Unsk Member
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    Thanks for the post BDB. Great  job.

    The actions of OSHA are a clear indication that no study issued from our government can be   relied upon at all anymore, particularly if it supports the official delusional Democrat/Progressive/Never Trumper narrative. These actions are an incredibly damaging act of fraud intended to influence public policy   which OSHA should absolutely not be a part of at all.  These actions grossly violate the equal protection rights of millions  of Americans. Anyone at OSHA involved in these efforts should be tried, convicted and packed off to prison for a minimum of decades. These acts are simply unconscionable. 

    Furthermore, by significantly  altering the reporting of problems with the COVID vaccines, OSHA has corrupted almost all studies here in the US as to the harmful effects of these vaccines, doing irreparable harm to any effort that seriously wants to combat COVID, and/ or that wants to serious investigate the problems with  of these vaccines in any kind of neutral way.

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  12. Brian Clendinen Inactive
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    Any link is there perchance?

    Apparently, we’re not worthy of a link. See above.

    no, it is not worthy of a link because the claim can’t be believed and the counter claim can’t be believed. You can’t believe anyone about anything, so what good would a link do?

    No For those of us who actually read studies. I don’t believe squat unless someone has a primary source. Or a subject matter expert is using/quoting multiple primary sources which I will often read for their argument. Then I will give them the benefit of doubt for some of their other arguments which they don’t quote a primary source for.

    All you are is a tabold journalist when you state a “fact” and don’t bother providing corroborating evidence. Yes it takes a lot more effort and time. So just because someone does not comment does not mean they can’t be persuaded that you are right.  As far as I am concerned when someone refuses to show a study they claim debunks another study so people can read both and make up their own mind (aka engage in science) they are full of it.

    Tabolds are right sometimes but a vast majority of their stuff is pure fiction.

     

    The person who sites a well-done study I am always going to believe until someone provides evidence contrary to that. I am not going to listen to some arrogant teenage no it all argument without evidence. I have changed my mind plenty of times when I read studies that contradict or make the issue more complex than I thought.

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  13. Skyler Coolidge
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    Brian Clendinen (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    Any link is there perchance?

    Apparently, we’re not worthy of a link. See above.

    no, it is not worthy of a link because the claim can’t be believed and the counter claim can’t be believed. You can’t believe anyone about anything, so what good would a link do?

    No For those of us who actually read studies. I don’t believe squat unless someone has a primary source. Or a subject matter expert is using/quoting multiple primary sources which I will often read for their argument. Then I will give them the benefit of doubt for some of their other arguments which they don’t quote a primary source for.

    All you are is a tabold journalist when you state a “fact” and don’t bother providing corroborating evidence. Yes it takes a lot more effort and time. So just because someone does not comment does not mean they can’t be persuaded that you are right. As far as I am concerned when someone refuses to show a study they claim debunks another study so people can read both and make up their own mind (aka engage in science) they are full of it.

    Tabolds are right sometimes but a vast majority of their stuff is pure fiction.

     

    The person who sites a well-done study I am always going to believe until someone provides evidence contrary to that. I am not going to listen to some arrogant teenage no it all argument without evidence. I have changed my mind plenty of times when I read studies that contradict or make the issue more complex than I thought.

    No studies are well done or trustworthy anymore, and none are worth citing.  Scientist and doctors have all ruined their credibility.

    So no, I won’t cite anyone or anything.  It’s counter productive to even try because none will be convinced one way or the other.  The point is only that there have been debunkings.  There are always debunkings and they come out fast and as sloppy as the reports they debunk.

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  14. Saint Augustine Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    No studies are well done or trustworthy anymore, and none are worth citing.  Scientist and doctors have all ruined their credibility.

    So no, I won’t cite anyone or anything.  It’s counter productive to even try because none will be convinced one way or the other.  The point is only that there have been debunkings.  There are always debunkings and they come out fast and as sloppy as the reports they debunk.

    Well, heck yeah!

    I doubt that’s entirely true, but it sure goes a long way.

    In my desperate, pitiful efforts to get some handle on the election fraud question, I find a lot of terrible fact-checking.  Blatant errors, easily fact-checked if you can read and do logic at a high school level.  In the fact-checks.

    In Hulky green growl: IN. THE. FACT. CHECKS. RARRGGGGHHH!

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  15. Skyler Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):
    Only I did it without a drive-by trolling “deboooonked” and then hauling my nose so high that my shorts shifted. 

    Be careful where you put your nose you might get a crick in your neck from so much navel gazing.  You take a lot of things personally and I don’t even know who you are.

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  16. Saint Augustine Member
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Preprint: Second study bolsters finding that low-comorbidity teenage boys more likely to suffer myocarditis after shot than to be treated for COVID.

    https://rifnote.com/2021/09/11/a-new-study-from-university-of-california-found-that-teenage-boys-are-more-at-risk-from-vaccines-than-covid-6-times-more-likely-to-suffer-from-heart-problems-from-the-vaccine-than-be-hospitalized-fro/

    It doesn’t mean that the vaccine is a death plague. It means that government mandates (and absolutions from liability) are the worst brute force instrument(s) for addressing a problem.

    Already debunked. But everyone will believe whatever confirms their own preconceptions and there are so many lies that we will never really know.

    Any link is there perchance?

    https://rumble.com/vmghw2-episode-1498-scott-adams-put-earmuffs-on-the-children-when-i-talk-about-our.htm

    First few minutes.

    (Language warning.)

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  17. Flicker Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Preprint: Second study bolsters finding that low-comorbidity teenage boys more likely to suffer myocarditis after shot than to be treated for COVID.

    https://rifnote.com/2021/09/11/a-new-study-from-university-of-california-found-that-teenage-boys-are-more-at-risk-from-vaccines-than-covid-6-times-more-likely-to-suffer-from-heart-problems-from-the-vaccine-than-be-hospitalized-fro/

    It doesn’t mean that the vaccine is a death plague. It means that government mandates (and absolutions from liability) are the worst brute force instrument(s) for addressing a problem.

    Already debunked. But everyone will believe whatever confirms their own preconceptions and there are so many lies that we will never really know.

    Any link is there perchance?

    https://rumble.com/vmghw2-episode-1498-scott-adams-put-earmuffs-on-the-children-when-i-talk-about-our.htm

    First few minutes.

    (Language warning.)

    Scott Adams is still a disingenuous huckster.  I happen to know two young men who got myocarditis just days after receiving their second vaccination.

    Adams says that we should (only) make decisions based on good science, but then he says (as he has said in the past) we can’t know what good science is: so we can’t (ever) make good decisions.  Though he’s deliberately vague, saying this sequence is meaningless.

    And he says that a study that came out was debunked because one person disapproved it, so there (which he says a lot).  One man, or twenty men, saying that a study is wrong, does not mean it’s wrong.

    Then he makes his point by saying that your chances of getting dangerous myocarditis early in life in less likely than getting even mild covid five, ten or fifty years from now (because it’s “endemic”).  These two things are not comparable.

    He’s a cartoonist for pete’s sake, and he makes a big deal out of convincing you that he can convince you of anything.  In this he may be right.

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  18. Skyler Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Preprint: Second study bolsters finding that low-comorbidity teenage boys more likely to suffer myocarditis after shot than to be treated for COVID.

    https://rifnote.com/2021/09/11/a-new-study-from-university-of-california-found-that-teenage-boys-are-more-at-risk-from-vaccines-than-covid-6-times-more-likely-to-suffer-from-heart-problems-from-the-vaccine-than-be-hospitalized-fro/

    It doesn’t mean that the vaccine is a death plague. It means that government mandates (and absolutions from liability) are the worst brute force instrument(s) for addressing a problem.

    Already debunked. But everyone will believe whatever confirms their own preconceptions and there are so many lies that we will never really know.

    Any link is there perchance?

    https://rumble.com/vmghw2-episode-1498-scott-adams-put-earmuffs-on-the-children-when-i-talk-about-our.htm

    First few minutes.

    (Language warning.)

    Scott Adams is still a disingenuous huckster. I happen to know two young men who got myocarditis just days after receiving their second vaccination.

    Adams says that we should (only) make decisions based on good science, but then he says (as he has said in the past) we can’t know what good science is: so we can’t (ever) make good decisions. Though he’s deliberately vague, saying this sequence is meaningless.

    And he says that a study that came out was debunked because one person disapproved it, so there (which he says a lot). One man, or twenty men, saying that a study is wrong, does not mean it’s wrong.

    Then he makes his point by saying that your chances of getting dangerous myocarditis early in life in less likely than getting even mild covid five, ten or fifty years from now (because it’s “endemic”). These two things are not comparable.

    He’s a cartoonist for pete’s sake, and he makes a big deal out of convincing you that he can convince you of anything. In this he may be right.

    He is sometimes entertaining, but he is a complete nihilist.

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  19. BDB Inactive
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    Skyler (View Comment):
    He is sometimes entertaining, but he is a complete nihilist.

    I only listened to a single episode ofhis podcast, having been impressed with some things he has said.  I moved on when he was totally down with the boys-in-girls-sports nonsense, even for public schools.  Talk about a guy who doesn’t understand society or what’s at stake.

    That would be consistent with nihilism.

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  20. Skyler Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):
    He is sometimes entertaining, but he is a complete nihilist.

    I only listened to a single episode ofhis podcast, having been impressed with some things he has said. I moved on when he was totally down with the boys-in-girls-sports nonsense, even for public schools. Talk about a guy who doesn’t understand society or what’s at stake.

    That would be consistent with nihilism.

    He loves to say that no man has any right to have any opinion on abortion because they don’t have a uterus.  Yet all men have been in a uterus and definitely have a stake in what happens there.

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