OSHA to Employers: Vaccines More Important Than Occupational Safety, Health

 

The fix is still in, not news. But here’s a nifty little corner I found poking out from beneath the carpet, from (apparently) May 2021:

DOL and OSHA, as well as other federal agencies, are working diligently to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations. OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers’ vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904’s recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination at least through May 2022. We will reevaluate the agency’s position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward.

https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine

And what was there before May 2021? (I cannot validate the dates — that’s why I went to the site for the current version and linked it above.)

Well, that ought to keep the recorded side effects nice and low. Exhibit 4,783 in why I do not trust ANY of the numbers this compromised, runaway government puts out. I will not sign up for the shot-of-the-month club, and I support people whose shot record is less compliant than mine (reasons). I am not even arguing the medical or health aspect of this. Uncle Joe Biden, this IS about our freedom, our personal choice.

See how this works?

Big Goverment: “If YOU [a business] mandate the shot, you must report adverse reactions. If WE [government] mandate the shot, you are not required to report side effects. We simply refuse to enforce the law we wrote about that a while back. Changed our minds, conveniently enough.”

Which is just as well anyway because (unless this has changed recently) nobody is liable for damages from this supposedly safe and increasingly legally mandatory shot. Not Pfizer, not the government, not the employer, not the hospital, not the testing company. If this thing takes you out — that’s nobody’s fault but yours.

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  1. BDB Coolidge
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    Motörhead – I Don’t Believe A Word

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  2. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    @Nohaaj

    BDB (View Comment):

    Motörhead – I Don’t Believe A Word

    I Have been saying that for a while.  This is like the post @bethanymandel wrote about the pediatric doctors association which deleted all previous scientific studies declaring face to face interaction with infants and toddlers to be very important in child development, to Surprise, Surprise, wearing masks has no deleterious affects on child development.  

    I believe nothing. 

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  3. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Preprint: Second study bolsters finding that low-comorbidity teenage boys more likely to suffer myocarditis after shot than to be treated for COVID.

    https://rifnote.com/2021/09/11/a-new-study-from-university-of-california-found-that-teenage-boys-are-more-at-risk-from-vaccines-than-covid-6-times-more-likely-to-suffer-from-heart-problems-from-the-vaccine-than-be-hospitalized-fro/

    It doesn’t mean that the vaccine is a death plague.  It means that government mandates (and absolutions from liability) are the worst brute force instrument(s) for addressing a problem.

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  4. Saint Augustine Member
    Saint Augustine
    @SaintAugustine

    Where liberals and government spending are involved, means to an end are mistaken for ends in themselves.

    • #4
  5. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    With so many perverse incentives, you’d be foolish to think nothing could go wrong. Every single safeguard of a free market has been removed from the equation.

    • #5
  6. drlorentz Member
    drlorentz
    @drlorentz

    It’s not just that the Cathedral is indifferent toward you; they want you dead. The utter contempt our rulers have for the people is hard to exaggerate. 

    • #6
  7. Skyler Coolidge
    Skyler
    @Skyler

    This is such a stupid issue.  It’s the kind of stupid issue that might finally tear us apart as a country.

    I can imagine, if I were in that time and place, back in 1860 or so and people started talking about secession.  I would have said, this is such a stupid issue.  There are so many other reasons that are more important and you guys want to hang your hat on slavery?  Really?  Making people chattel is your reason for secession?  And for most people it wasn’t, but that’s another argument.

    Today, in my opinion there is no reason not to get vaccinated.  Even if it doesn’t work, there are scarce any side effects.  There’s no reason to doubt that it’s safe.  

    I have many friends who insist they will resist to their dying breath, unemployed and homeless, that they will not ever take this vaccine.  I respect their opinion, I wish them well, but I don’t think this is the sword to fall on.

    But it seems we might be heading that way.  The Progressives have succeeded in turning the Trump Vaccine into the evil government progressive vaccine.  Passions are hot and we continue to be divided on every issue in our lives.  Soon the Ministry of Funny Walks will declare that you have to walk starting with your left foot, not your right foot and people will be shot over it.  Big Endians and Little Endians will stand each other up against the wall.

    I say stop it.  This stupid, mild disease, and this stupid innocuous inoculation are not worth fighting over.  It won’t hurt you and it will very likely help you.  Get it.

    But then again, that won’t placate the other side who are already telling us to get the shot every six months.  There’s no escape.

     

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  8. Skyler Coolidge
    Skyler
    @Skyler

    BDB (View Comment):

    Preprint: Second study bolsters finding that low-comorbidity teenage boys more likely to suffer myocarditis after shot than to be treated for COVID.

    https://rifnote.com/2021/09/11/a-new-study-from-university-of-california-found-that-teenage-boys-are-more-at-risk-from-vaccines-than-covid-6-times-more-likely-to-suffer-from-heart-problems-from-the-vaccine-than-be-hospitalized-fro/

    It doesn’t mean that the vaccine is a death plague. It means that government mandates (and absolutions from liability) are the worst brute force instrument(s) for addressing a problem.

    Already debunked.  But everyone will believe whatever confirms their own preconceptions and there are so many lies that we will never really know.

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  9. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Skyler (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Preprint: Second study bolsters finding that low-comorbidity teenage boys more likely to suffer myocarditis after shot than to be treated for COVID.

    https://rifnote.com/2021/09/11/a-new-study-from-university-of-california-found-that-teenage-boys-are-more-at-risk-from-vaccines-than-covid-6-times-more-likely-to-suffer-from-heart-problems-from-the-vaccine-than-be-hospitalized-fro/

    It doesn’t mean that the vaccine is a death plague. It means that government mandates (and absolutions from liability) are the worst brute force instrument(s) for addressing a problem.

    Already debunked. But everyone will believe whatever confirms their own preconceptions and there are so many lies that we will never really know.

    Link, please.

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  10. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Where is our society heading?

    An entire year ago, the CDC put up its “Project Shielding.” Some blogs I am on have discussed this for a while, with the CDC stating that concerns about Project Shielding are pointless because they first proposed it a year ago and it was just an “idea.”

    But according to one of The Board Of Supervisor members in Shasta County, people are now being hired to work for Project Shielding.

    A Shasta County nurse lays out what she knows, in her 3.15 minute talk:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/J8AKCA1hcOfE/

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  11. Skyler Coolidge
    Skyler
    @Skyler

    BDB (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Preprint: Second study bolsters finding that low-comorbidity teenage boys more likely to suffer myocarditis after shot than to be treated for COVID.

    https://rifnote.com/2021/09/11/a-new-study-from-university-of-california-found-that-teenage-boys-are-more-at-risk-from-vaccines-than-covid-6-times-more-likely-to-suffer-from-heart-problems-from-the-vaccine-than-be-hospitalized-fro/

    It doesn’t mean that the vaccine is a death plague. It means that government mandates (and absolutions from liability) are the worst brute force instrument(s) for addressing a problem.

    Already debunked. But everyone will believe whatever confirms their own preconceptions and there are so many lies that we will never really know.

    Link, please.

    Nah, it doesn’t matter.  People will believe or not believe and I have no intention of getting into it except to point that much out.

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  12. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Skyler (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Preprint: Second study bolsters finding that low-comorbidity teenage boys more likely to suffer myocarditis after shot than to be treated for COVID.

    https://rifnote.com/2021/09/11/a-new-study-from-university-of-california-found-that-teenage-boys-are-more-at-risk-from-vaccines-than-covid-6-times-more-likely-to-suffer-from-heart-problems-from-the-vaccine-than-be-hospitalized-fro/

    It doesn’t mean that the vaccine is a death plague. It means that government mandates (and absolutions from liability) are the worst brute force instrument(s) for addressing a problem.

    Already debunked. But everyone will believe whatever confirms their own preconceptions and there are so many lies that we will never really know.

    Link, please.

    Nah, it doesn’t matter. People will believe or not believe and I have no intention of getting into it except to point that much out.

    Bye, then.

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  13. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Skyler (View Comment):

    This is such a stupid issue. It’s the kind of stupid issue that might finally tear us apart as a country.

    SNIP

    Today, in my opinion there is no reason not to get vaccinated. Even if it doesn’t work, there are scarce any side effects. There’s no reason to doubt that it’s safe.

    I have many friends who insist they will resist to their dying breath,SNIP 

    I say stop it. This stupid, mild disease, and this stupid innocuous inoculation are not worth fighting over. It won’t hurt you and it will very likely help you. Get it.

    But then again, that won’t placate the other side who are already telling us to get the shot every six months. There’s no escape.

     

    You say that taking a stand against an “innocuous”  vaccination is not the hill to stand on.

    Why? In part it is because you have not yet been vax injured.

    Get back to me after you have such severe blood clots in both legs that they are amputated. (As was the case of a woman in Minnesota.)  Get back to me when a young male relative of yours spends three weeks in a hospital due to a heart problem resulting from the vaccine. That hospital  stay  wipes out half the college fund his parents have paid into. Plus now he won’t be eligible for the soccer scholarship many in the family thought he might get. (Myocarditis is such that intense athletic activity is often a “no no.”)

    Or check out how journalist Sharyl Attkisson has devoted a lot of her website to tracking the reports of the adverse effects of the COV vaccines, because that way social media cannot take down the reports if they are on her site

    https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/09/exclusive-summary-covid-19-vaccine-concerns/
    Updated Sept 12, 2021 with study finding teenage boys face much higher heart risk from vaccine than Covid
    Updated Sept.10,2021 with Israel study on majority of hospitalized being vaccinated
    Updated Sept. 9, 2021 with CDC study about increased myocarditis/heart inflammation risk, lymphadenopathy, appendicitis, and herpes zoster infection
    Updated Sept. 4, 2021 with acute CNS demyelination after Pfizer and Moderna vaccines
    Updated Aug. 30, 2021 with Functional Neurological Disorder
    Updated Aug. 24, 2021 with waning immunity
    Updated Aug. 17, 2021 with Bell’s Palsy analysis, Hong Kong
    Updated Aug. 16, 2021 with Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) study
    Updated Aug. 5, 2021 with heart disorders more common than CDC reported from database
    Updated July 22, 2021 with EU warning about Guillain-Barre autoimmune paralysis after Johnson and Johnson vaccination.
    Updated July 12, 2021 with new FDA warning of Guillain-Barre autoimmune paralysis cases after vaccination.
    Updated July 12, 2021 with reports of Graves disease autoimmune disorder after vaccination.
    Updated July 1, 2021 with reports of Guillain-Barre paralysis cases after vaccination.
    Updated June 30, 2021 with news of first case of blood clot disorder in double-dose RNA vaccine.

     

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  14. Skyler Coolidge
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

     

     

    You say that taking a stand against an “innocuous” vaccination is not the hill to stand on.

    Why? In part it is because you have not yet been vax injured.

    Get back to me after you have such severe blood clots in both legs that they are amputated. (As was the case of a woman in Minnesota.) Get back to me when a young male relative of yours spends three weeks in a hospital due to a heart problem resulting from the vaccine. That hospital stay wipes out half the college fund his parents have paid into. Plus now he won’t be eligible for the soccer scholarship many in the family thought he might get. (Myocarditis is such that intense athletic activity is often a “no no.”)

    Or check out how journalist Sharyl Attkisson has devoted a lot of her website to tracking the reports of the adverse effects of the COV vaccines, because that way social media cannot take down the reports if they are on her site

     

    There will always be anecdotes.  There are a lot more stories of the corona having bad effects.  I don’t really care what anyone decides.  The point is that this is not the hill to die on and they will make it that way.  This is such a non-issue but as we see here, people get very upset and emotional.  I won’t.  I got the vaccine, I’m fine.  You will be too.

    • #14
  15. Skyler Coolidge
    Skyler
    @Skyler

    BDB (View Comment):

    Nah, it doesn’t matter. People will believe or not believe and I have no intention of getting into it except to point that much out.

    Bye, then.

    See how it becomes an all or nothing?  Our society no longer can tolerate dissent on any issue, because to lose on any issue is to lose on every issue.

    • #15
  16. drlorentz Member
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    @drlorentz

    Meanwhile, in New York, people seem to be a tad upset about vaccine mandates.

    • #16
  17. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Motörhead – I Don’t Believe A Word

    [Snip] This is like the post @ bethanymandel wrote about the pediatric doctors association which deleted all previous scientific studies declaring face to face interaction with infants and toddlers to be very important in child development, to Surprise, Surprise, wearing masks has no deleterious affects on child development.

    I believe nothing.

    You mean that the deleted studies have gone down the memory hole? 

    2+2=5 

    I love Big Brother.  

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  18. Saint Augustine Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Today, in my opinion there is no reason not to get vaccinated.

    For everyone?  Including kids? Babies? Covid recoverees?

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  19. Saint Augustine Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Preprint: Second study bolsters finding that low-comorbidity teenage boys more likely to suffer myocarditis after shot than to be treated for COVID.

    https://rifnote.com/2021/09/11/a-new-study-from-university-of-california-found-that-teenage-boys-are-more-at-risk-from-vaccines-than-covid-6-times-more-likely-to-suffer-from-heart-problems-from-the-vaccine-than-be-hospitalized-fro/

    It doesn’t mean that the vaccine is a death plague. It means that government mandates (and absolutions from liability) are the worst brute force instrument(s) for addressing a problem.

    Already debunked. But everyone will believe whatever confirms their own preconceptions and there are so many lies that we will never really know.

    Any link is there perchance?

    • #19
  20. drlorentz Member
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    @drlorentz

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    Any link is there perchance?

    Apparently, we’re not worthy of a link. See above. 

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  21. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    @CarolJoy

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    It’s not just that the Cathedral is indifferent toward you; they want you dead. The utter contempt our rulers have for the people is hard to exaggerate.

    And yet at least half of the people are eating it up and say “More, please!”

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  22. Skyler Coolidge
    Skyler
    @Skyler

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    Any link is there perchance?

    Apparently, we’re not worthy of a link. See above.

    no, it is not worthy of a link because the claim can’t be believed and the counter claim can’t be believed.  You can’t believe anyone about anything, so what good would a link do?  

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  23. BDB Coolidge
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    @BDB

    Skyler (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    Any link is there perchance?

    Apparently, we’re not worthy of a link. See above.

    no, it is not worthy of a link because the claim can’t be believed and the counter claim can’t be believed. You can’t believe anyone about anything, so what good would a link do?

    Then the least you can do is stop banging on about something that you can’t be bothered to talk about with people who aren’t worth your time.  Good-bye.

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  24. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    @Nohaaj

    Skyler (View Comment):
    See how it becomes an all or nothing?  Our society no longer can tolerate dissent on any issue, because to lose on any issue is to lose on every issue.

    @skyler you made a claim that the  “young men, heart issue” has been debunked.  BDB reasonably asked for a link.  Information. substantiate your opinion.  Your claim might be based upon a profound study, or a quack doctor, or worse, just a proclamation  from some gubment wonk.  We really do want to know.  seriously.  This is not an “all or nothing” issue.  We all have preconceived ideas and slants, but we are here on Ricochet to learn, listen and read about reasonable, factual arguments.  I want to know if these various vaxs are harmless to my grandchildren, or might increase risk – at what ever that risk minimal or significant, if you make a blanket “debunked” claim without substantiating it, well… then it means nothing.  Not all.  We are here to listen to dissent. you need to offer up your basis of that dissent. 

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  25. Saint Augustine Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    Any link is there perchance?

    Apparently, we’re not worthy of a link. See above.

    no, it is not worthy of a link because the claim can’t be believed and the counter claim can’t be believed. You can’t believe anyone about anything, so what good would a link do?

    I can believe a lot of people about a lot of things. Me personally, I can believe a lot.

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  26. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Ah, never mind.  I got it.

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  27. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    Skyler (View Comment):

    There will always be anecdotes.  There are a lot more stories of the corona having bad effects.  I don’t really care what anyone decides.  The point is that this is not the hill to die on and they will make it that way.  This is such a non-issue but as we see here, people get very upset and emotional.  I won’t.  I got the vaccine, I’m fine.  You will be too.

    This is an interesting metaphor.  It may not be the hill to die on, but it may be the hill to get life-long, incurable, experimental-vaccine-induced aliments on.  But if in deed the vaccine does predispose the vaccinated to various cancers, then, yes, unfortunately, it does become the hill to die on.

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  28. Skyler Coolidge
    Skyler
    @Skyler

    BDB (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    Any link is there perchance?

    Apparently, we’re not worthy of a link. See above.

    no, it is not worthy of a link because the claim can’t be believed and the counter claim can’t be believed. You can’t believe anyone about anything, so what good would a link do?

    Then the least you can do is stop banging on about something that you can’t be bothered to talk about with people who aren’t worth your time. Good-bye.

    I think my point is lost on you.

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  29. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    Any link is there perchance?

    Apparently, we’re not worthy of a link. See above.

    no, it is not worthy of a link because the claim can’t be believed and the counter claim can’t be believed. You can’t believe anyone about anything, so what good would a link do?

    Then the least you can do is stop banging on about something that you can’t be bothered to talk about with people who aren’t worth your time. Good-bye.

    I think my point is lost on you.

    I think your point is clear.

    You are the master of being rational, while others are emotional.

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  30. Skyler Coolidge
    Skyler
    @Skyler

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    Any link is there perchance?

    Apparently, we’re not worthy of a link. See above.

    no, it is not worthy of a link because the claim can’t be believed and the counter claim can’t be believed. You can’t believe anyone about anything, so what good would a link do?

    Then the least you can do is stop banging on about something that you can’t be bothered to talk about with people who aren’t worth your time. Good-bye.

    I think my point is lost on you.

    I think your point is clear.

    You are the master of being rational, while others are emotional.

    No.  Just a few if you. 

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