The Continued Betrayal of David French

 

It’s always sad to see someone you once respected be clown themselves, alas Mr. French seems to want to take it to the next level. In a recent op-ed for the NYT, he joined with three other authors to decry the efforts by various States to slow down Critical Race Theory (CRT). You can read it (shouldn’t be a paywall even) here. (EDITED to correct link)

It’s not clear what parts of this Mr. French actually wrote, but since he signed his name to it, one has to assume that he agrees with it in toto.

The oped is fraught with problems, mostly with assigning pure and noble intention to the proponents of CRT and ascribing only the most vile intentions to its opponents. That has been Mr. French’s opinion of conservatives (that do not agree with him) since 2015. He is, of course, entitled to his views, but that doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t be criticized for that betrayal. I take it further that he, and many others like him, have betrayed the very essence of the conservative political movement by failing to express conservatives views in ways that win adherents to the cause.

As an example:

Indeed, the very act of learning history in a free and multiethnic society is inescapably fraught. Any accurate teaching of any country’s history could make some of its citizens feel uncomfortable (or even guilty) about the past. To deny this necessary consequence of education is, to quote W.E.B. Du Bois, to transform “history into propaganda.”

Why is it that teaching that the essential founding of the U.S. is flawed and thus that the US is a flawed country not propaganda?  Why is, as Kendi proclaims, that the govt must favor certain races to ensure equity of outcomes not propaganda and indoctrination? The authors, and especially Mr. French are desirous of destroying the value of our founding on Natural Law to replace it with what exactly?

There was a dust up on Twitter about how CRT should be replaced with Natural Law in our schools. I’d say that prior to CRT, we, mostly, taught Natural Law. That we are all equal, endowed with unalienable rights, and that the role of govt is to secure those rights and protect them from infringement (especially by the government). This shared mythos of our founding and arc towards improvement and the fulfillment of those ideals is the story of the U.S. A decent study of history emphasizes that as opposed to undermining it.

Over on The Federalist, there was a summation of the Twitter fight that is worth reading as well. The idea that Natural Law is now White Supremacy shows a remarkable lack of…well intelligence, or perhaps wisdom is the right term. When one defines that the US was founded to promulgate slavery as the 1619 Project attempts, then one might easily make the jump that the Natural Law that the Founders based their opinions on would be White Supremacy. That Mr. French appears to agree with this continues his slide into, I’d say it relevancy, but as he moves more to the left, or at least becomes a tool of the left by being a “critical conservative” he will become more popular in the mainstream.

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  1. Stad Coolidge
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    CRT does have a place – as a whacko theory in colleges in an elective taught by lunatic professors.  Primary education must steer clear of abstract ideas and teach basics.  Our founding based on ideals administered by imperfect men was the best possible outcome given the circumstances.  However, we strove to make things right, and got rid of slavery and Jim Crow.  Things were getting better until Obama and Biden.

    Obama did and Biden is continuing to set race relations back.  CRT is nothing more than a metaphorical fire hose turned on whites, a payback that cheapens the struggles of real civil rights activists who had actual fire hoses turned on them . . .

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  2. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Jager (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    Where is the line between “informing” and “promoting?” Does the concept (whatever that is) have to intentionally “promote” something, or is also banned if it incidentally promotes something? Does it have to “promote” something only in a reasonable mind to be a violation, or does it violate the statute if it promotes something in anyone’s mind, no matter how unreasonable?

    In this issue I don’t know that there is a difference between “informing” and “promoting” . America is racist at it’s core and from it’s founding, all white people are guilty and should feel bad for profiting from this “systemic racism” You are be definition racist if you are white and a victim if you are not.

    In what way would it matter if your speech is deemed to be “informing”, rather than “promoting” the idea, that people fall into one of two categories based solely on their skin color, this skin color alone determines whether you are a victim or an oppressor.

    Nobody knows.  The teacher, even if they have no intention of promoting such ideas, won’t know if what they are teaching happens to trigger some sense of offense in a particular student.  Or, what if the students begin to argue about it among themselves, and now “division” has been promoted.  The student complains.  The statute is so vague that the teacher’s conduct can be said to violate it.  Next thing you know, the school loses funding.  That’s a problem.

    I think you could draft a clearer statute which prohibits these obvious and egregious cases.  Just adding something like “intentionally” include or “directly” promote, or “reasonable discomfort,” would help, though by themselves may not be sufficient to fix it.   

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  3. navyjag Coolidge
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters: The odds of concerned parents successfully keeping this kind of indoctrination out of their schools are much higher if it’s a local issue.

    No, it’s not. What you then get is a more bifurcated nation than we have now. Because fighting in 17K battlefields will mean that you will only win in certain places such as majority white suburban school districts. Meanwhile, the hatred will continue to be ratcheted up in urban and majority-minority districts and places where parental involvement is negligible. It is 100% a losing strategy.

    If your aim is a United States, allowing half or more of the school districts to teach children to hate one half of their fellow Americans is not the answer. Nor is allowing this to continue during a district-by-district court battle that could take five years or more to windup at SCOTUS.

    Agree EJ.  So of our three kids only one went through public HS from sophomore year to graduation.  Both had very good teachers but it was clear from day one that, unlike the private schools where the clients are the parents, in public schools the parents were just folks to put up with. And this was in schools with good reps, lots of bright Asian students, but the standards were much lower than in the (admittedly expensive) private schools.  Cannot imagine how difficult it must be for parents to get any attention in the minority public schools. 

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  4. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    I’m totally weary of French and his fellow (would-be) elites who dare to believe that they know one iota when it comes to education.

    OK, French, it’s all well and good for you to pontificate, “Schools, particularly at the kindergarten-to-12th grade level, are responsible for helping turn students into well-informed and discerning citizens.” Oh, really? And just how is CRT supposed to aid in that?

    He’s not advocating CRT.  He clearly opposes it.  He’s just pointing out that these statutes are a bad way to combat it.

    How will it help utterly failing public school systems who are putting out students that rank anywhere from 25th to 35th (in the world) in the most important subjects? The U.S. is somewhere in the top five (worldwide) in money spent per pupil and yet the public school system is graduating students that cannot string together two cogent sentences or do a basic math problem.

    Mr. French, please go back to contemplating your navel and leave our students alone. They’re failing very well on their own; they don’t need your help.

     

     

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  5. Stina Inactive
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    I think you could draft a clearer statute which prohibits these obvious and egregious cases.  Just adding something like “intentionally” include or “directly” promote, or “reasonable discomfort,” would help, though by themselves may not be sufficient to fix it.   

    Are you basing this argument on the actual law text or French’s characterization of it?

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  6. Hoyacon Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    I’m totally weary of French and his fellow (would-be) elites who dare to believe that they know one iota when it comes to education.

    OK, French, it’s all well and good for you to pontificate, “Schools, particularly at the kindergarten-to-12th grade level, are responsible for helping turn students into well-informed and discerning citizens.” Oh, really? And just how is CRT supposed to aid in that?

    He’s not advocating CRT. He clearly opposes it. He’s just pointing out that these statutes are a bad way to combat it.

    I’ve gone over the NYT piece–the subject of this thread– in the interest of hoping to know what I’m talking about.  At a minimum, if French “clearly opposes it,” he was ill-advised to put his name on this piece regardless of his views on the various statutes.  The editorial itself is nothing but a series of euphemisms about CRT wrapped around an attack on attempts to regulate it.

    Nowhere does it come close to acknowledging that, if these laws are imperfect, their existence is fully dependent on the content of what is being taught, which is defined by imperfection.  If one did not exist, neither would the other.

    Schools, particularly at the kindergarten-to-12th-grade level, are responsible for helping turn students into well-informed and discerning citizens.

    It’s rather mind-boggling that the authors would go here without a recognition of the obstacles CRT presents to being “well-informed” and “discerning.”  But not a word.

    They (the laws) are speech codes. They seek to change public education by banning the expression of ideas.

    But let’s not cite chapter and verse on the CRT concepts that have prompted these laws,  and why the “expression of ideas” is an inaccurate euphemism for a radical redesign of history.  This, says the piece, is just a “disagreement” about our “nation’s history.”  Right.

    As I noted in another post, it is not unusual to have concerns about laws drafted in haste and French may be on a degree of solid ground there.  But he’s chosen to keep company with those who are uninterested in categorizing CRT for what it is, or taking the courageous path of condemning it while proposing different means to correct it.

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  7. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Stina (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    I think you could draft a clearer statute which prohibits these obvious and egregious cases. Just adding something like “intentionally” include or “directly” promote, or “reasonable discomfort,” would help, though by themselves may not be sufficient to fix it.

    Are you basing this argument on the actual law text or French’s characterization of it?

    The actual text.  I can’t pull up the link on my phone at the moment, but it’s not hard to find, and it’s not a long bill. At least not that I recall.

     

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  8. Jager Coolidge
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Jager (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    Where is the line between “informing” and “promoting?” Does the concept (whatever that is) have to intentionally “promote” something, or is also banned if it incidentally promotes something? Does it have to “promote” something only in a reasonable mind to be a violation, or does it violate the statute if it promotes something in anyone’s mind, no matter how unreasonable?

    In this issue I don’t know that there is a difference between “informing” and “promoting” . America is racist at it’s core and from it’s founding, all white people are guilty and should feel bad for profiting from this “systemic racism” You are be definition racist if you are white and a victim if you are not.

    In what way would it matter if your speech is deemed to be “informing”, rather than “promoting” the idea, that people fall into one of two categories based solely on their skin color, this skin color alone determines whether you are a victim or an oppressor.

    Nobody knows. The teacher, even if they have no intention of promoting such ideas, won’t know if what they are teaching happens to trigger some sense of offense in a particular student. Or, what if the students begin to argue about it among themselves, and now “division” has been promoted. The student complains. The statute is so vague that the teacher’s conduct can be said to violate it. Next thing you know, the school loses funding. That’s a problem.

    I think you could draft a clearer statute which prohibits these obvious and egregious cases. Just adding something like “intentionally” include or “directly” promote, or “reasonable discomfort,” would help, though by themselves may not be sufficient to fix it.

    Isn’t that the point of disagreement between what French wrote and what the Statue actually says?

    It is not whether it triggers any individual, it has exactly nothing to do with the response of feelings of any student.  It is not the teacher saying slavery and Jim Crow existed and then a white student feeling guilty (this is perfectly fine) it is a teacher saying slavery and Jim Crow existed and you white people ( who are children and were not alive for any of it) should feel guilty.

    You can not say all white people, because of their skin color and past generations racism, are inherently racist and evil.  You can say that there was and are some racist and bad things happened in the past. 

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  9. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Jager (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Jager (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    Where is the line between “informing” and “promoting?” Does the concept (whatever that is) have to intentionally “promote” something, or is also banned if it incidentally promotes something? Does it have to “pr

    In this issue I don’t know that there is a difference between “informing” and “promoting” . America is racist at it’s core and from it’s founding, all white people are guilty and should feel bad for profiting from this “systemic racism” You are be definition racist if you are white and a victim if you are not.

    In what way would it matter if your speech is deemed to be “informing”, rather than “promoting” the idea, that people fall…

    Nobody knows. The teacher, even if they have no intention of promoting such ideas, won’t know if what they are teaching happens to trigger some sense of offense in a particular student. Or, what if the students begin to argue about it among themselves, and now “division” has been promoted. The student complains. The statute is so vague that the teacher’s conduct can be said to violate it. Next thing you know, the school loses funding. That’s a problem.

    I think you could draft a clearer statute which prohibits these obvious and egregious cases. Just adding something like “intentionally” include or “directly” promote, or “reasonable discomfort,” would help, though by themselves may not be sufficient to fix it.

    Isn’t that the point of disagreement between what French wrote and what the Statue actually says?

    It is not whether it triggers any individual, it has exactly nothing to do with the response of feelings of any student. It is not the teacher saying slavery and Jim Crow existed and then a white student feeling guilty (this is perfectly fine) it is a teacher saying slavery and Jim Crow existed and you white people ( who are children and were not alive for any of it) should feel guilty.

    You can not say all white people, because of their skin color and past generations racism, are inherently racist and evil. You can say that there was and are some racist and bad things happened in the past.

    Yes, there are ways a teacher could obviously violate it. That’s not the problem with vague statutes. The problem is the myriad of ways it can be non-obviously violated. The “should feel” language, without more clarification, could still be a very subjective-to-the student standard.“The teacher made me think I should feel guilty for being a white southerner when he said …” The teacher will have to be extremely careful, and you end up with some really sterile, weird version of history.

    And that’s before you get to the “promotes division” language, which is also too vague. 

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  10. Cow Girl Thatcher
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    Quintus Sertorius (View Comment):
    They are so disgusted with DT and those who support him that they can’t really put much more energy beyond that.

    SO. Correct. I kept reading how it would have been fine to have The Hillary elected and that we would just have survived it. No. And we may not survive Old Joe. Our culture has been pushed to the very teetering edge! When someone says that seeing American flags flying at houses in neighborhoods is a sign of White Supremacy then we’re waaaaaay down the road to losing the United States of America. It totally is no longer the “united” states at this point. 

     

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  11. Cow Girl Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):
    It’s also possible that he literally has no clue what CRT is, but when he sees that Trump supporters are against it, he instinctively declares himself for it, like so many fake conservatives over the last five years.

    YES! It’s like some kind of disease they’ve contracted.  They’ve really lost their ability to be rational. 

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    The assumption that French agrees with the co-authors of the editorial on all things CRT is grossly unfair to him. The article itself, right at the beginning, says,

    These initiatives have been marketed as “anti-critical race theory” laws. We, the authors of this essay, have wide ideological divergences on the explicit targets of this legislation. Some of us are deeply influenced by the academic discipline of critical race theory and its critique of racist structures and admire the 1619 Project. Some of us are skeptical of structural racist explanations and racial identity itself and disagree with the mission and methodology of the 1619 Project. We span the ideological spectrum: a progressive, a moderate, a libertarian and a conservative.

    It is because of these differences that we here join, as we are united in one overarching concern: the danger posed by these laws to liberal education.

    Later in the article, it says this:

    Though some of us share the antipathy of the legislation’s authors toward some of these targets and object to overreaches that leave many parents understandably anxious about the stewardship of their children’s education, we all reject the means by which these measures encode that antipathy into legislation.

    I have heard French in other venues talking about this subject. It is clear that his concerns with respect to these kinds of laws is that some of them are far too broad, particularly as they might be applied to colleges, and amount to speech codes which the right traditionally opposes. As described in the editorial, the vague language of these statutes could leave teachers in a position where they will inevitably violate the law by even attempting to teach the basics. He has no issue with public schools making sure they don’t indoctrinate kids with leftist ideology. He’s obviously not a proponent of CRT. His concern is academic freedom and free speech.

    These states need to just revise their statutes, be more explicit and targeted, and make another run at it.

    If that is really his concern, he needs to pursue it with different allies.

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Brian Wyneken (View Comment):

    https://www.aei.org/op-eds/the-misguided-argument-against-bans-on-teaching-critical-race-theory/?fbclid=IwAR0ahCdz-RpjQnGucxUl7xc8aBo3Op8y2wsvFE0L0gEa8lVm4qBJAQUQK2k

    Opening paragraph of the above link: A good rule of thumb for evaluating political debates: If the strongest argument from the sharpest writers in the most prestigious newspaper op-ed page is predicated on a claim that takes 30 seconds to fact-check as false, then that side probably has the weaker case.

    The linked OP was published in Newsweek, and authored by a an AEI Research Fellow, Max Eden. It points out that the NYT opinion piece to which David French signed his name grossly mis-stated the facts of the Tennessee state law the authors used as an example. The AEI rebuttal piece focuses more on French’s role as opinion writer, but I think it bears emphasizing that David French was trained as an attorney – accordingly he has no excuse for getting this wrong. In that added respect this NYT piece at a minimum does him no credit.

    I used to read writings by David French. I have not done that for awhile.

    The only side that wants anyone in chains is the left. And who they want in chains are most white people. It’s a revenge fantasy.

    There you go.  For sure, Biden et al don’t think THEY would ever be in chains.

     

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  14. kedavis Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    The assumption that French agrees with the co-authors of the editorial on all things CRT is grossly unfair to him. The article itself, right at the beginning, says,

    If you sign your name to something, you are accepting it. That’s the point of the signature.

    I’ve never followed French, but I do know that he is a lawyer. He knows what a signature means. When you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

    Respectfully, DA’s point, I think, is that part of the editorial — part of what the signatories endorsed — is an explicit acknowledgement that the signatories don’t agree on the specific matter of CRT (to pick one example), but are in agreement about some greater principle of legislated curricula. So French can agree about the greater point while agreeing to disagree about the specifics.

    PS And I can still consider him misguided for doing so.

    I think, again, if that’s really his concern, he needs to be addressing it with different “allies.”

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    French’s position is that the state laws are too broad and advocates a district-by-school district approach. He wants the war fought on 16,800 battlefields instead of 50. In other words, surrender.

    More pay, for more lawyers!  Is anyone surprised?

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Respectfully, DA’s point, I think, is that part of the editorial — part of what the signatories endorsed — is an explicit acknowledgement that the signatories don’t agree on the specific matter of CRT (to pick one example), but are in agreement about some greater principle of legislated curricula.

    If he doesn’t know what CRT is all about, then he has no business writing in defense of it.

    I would be very surprised if he doesn’t know what CRT is about. Again, I don’t believe he wrote in defense of CRT, but rather in opposition to certain kinds of legislation that happen to be motivated, at least in part, by a desire to oppose CRT.

    As an analogy: I deplore illegal gun violence, but would oppose efforts to pass new gun control laws. That doesn’t make me a supporter of gun violence. Similarly, I don’t think Mr. French is a supporter of CRT.

    Exactly. And having to point this out helps make the point of the editorial – because it shows that people get so wrapped up in these issues, and assume so much about a person’s motives when talking about race and history, that a teacher cannot feel comfortable teaching the history of these things without worrying someone will attribute motives, or opinions, to them they don’t have, and initiate a lawsuit over it (or whatever the remedy is).

    Except French is in the position of supposedly making a nuanced argument, in a joint editorial column with what could be described as rabid anti-gunners.

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    French’s position is that the state laws are too broad and advocates a district-by-school district approach. He wants the war fought on 16,800 battlefields instead of 50. In other words, surrender.

    The odds of concerned parents successfully keeping this kind of indoctrination out of their schools are much higher if it’s a local issue.

    Another problem there is that it becomes the parents having to fight it over and over, as it keeps coming back with each school board election, new district superintendant, or what-have-you.

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters: The odds of concerned parents successfully keeping this kind of indoctrination out of their schools are much higher if it’s a local issue.

    No, it’s not. What you then get is a more bifurcated nation than we have now. Because fighting in 17K battlefields will mean that you will only win in certain places such as majority white suburban school districts. Meanwhile, the hatred will continue to be ratcheted up in urban and majority-minority districts and places where parental involvement is negligible. It is 100% a losing strategy.

    If your aim is a United States, allowing half or more of the school districts to teach children to hate one half of their fellow Americans is not the answer. Nor is allowing this to continue during a district-by-district court battle that could take five years or more to windup at SCOTUS.

    And then SCOTUS decides that nobody has “standing” except for the students, and the students don’t have “standing” because they’re underage, and then when they turn 18 it becomes “moot.”  You know, just like elections…

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):
    He has a deep suspicion of his own side since Trump. Is unfailingly generous with the other side to a point of ignoring when they are obviously dealing in bad faith.

    As someone else noted recently, he (and his partner in crime, Jonah Goldberg) gleefully “punch right” these days. They treat the left with kid gloves.

    I would say it’s because they know on which side their bread is buttered.

    I hadn’t considered that but it is true and tragic. I use to like and admire both of them; however, I can’t abide them anymore. It seems to me they profoundly underestimate the threat and the risk of the woke left.

    They seem to think they don’t share in that risk, but they’re probably in for an unpleasant surprise at some point.

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    None of us object to history classes teaching about racism. We object to history classes being taught by racists.

    Gold.

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Speaking of making people uncomfortable, how often is the slave trade origins in Africa discussed? Or the enslavement of Slavs? Or how bout the crusades being a backlash to pilgrims being attacked on their way to Jerusalem by Muslim warriors?

    All things I did NOT learn in high school.

    What are you, some pro-slavery islamophobe?

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Jager (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    Where is the line between “informing” and “promoting?” Does the concept (whatever that is) have to intentionally “promote” something, or is also banned if it incidentally promotes something? Does it have to “promote” something only in a reasonable mind to be a violation, or does it violate the statute if it promotes something in anyone’s mind, no matter how unreasonable?

    In this issue I don’t know that there is a difference between “informing” and “promoting” . America is racist at it’s core and from it’s founding, all white people are guilty and should feel bad for profiting from this “systemic racism” You are be definition racist if you are white and a victim if you are not.

    In what way would it matter if your speech is deemed to be “informing”, rather than “promoting” the idea, that people fall into one of two categories based solely on their skin color, this skin color alone determines whether you are a victim or an oppressor.

    Nobody knows. The teacher, even if they have no intention of promoting such ideas, won’t know if what they are teaching happens to trigger some sense of offense in a particular student. Or, what if the students begin to argue about it among themselves, and now “division” has been promoted. The student complains. The statute is so vague that the teacher’s conduct can be said to violate it. Next thing you know, the school loses funding. That’s a problem.

    I think you could draft a clearer statute which prohibits these obvious and egregious cases. Just adding something like “intentionally” include or “directly” promote, or “reasonable discomfort,” would help, though by themselves may not be sufficient to fix it.

    I might go along with that, as soon as they stop passing laws making it a crime to use the wrong pronoun, or to “dead-name” someone, etc.

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  23. Henry Castaigne Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters: The odds of concerned parents successfully keeping this kind of indoctrination out of their schools are much higher if it’s a local issue.

    No, it’s not. What you then get is a more bifurcated nation than we have now. Because fighting in 17K battlefields will mean that you will only win in certain places such as majority white suburban school districts. Meanwhile, the hatred will continue to be ratcheted up in urban and majority-minority districts and places where parental involvement is negligible. It is 100% a losing strategy.

    If your aim is a United States, allowing half or more of the school districts to teach children to hate one half of their fellow Americans is not the answer. Nor is allowing this to continue during a district-by-district court battle that could take five years or more to windup at SCOTUS.

    And then SCOTUS decides that nobody has “standing” except for the students, and the students don’t have “standing” because they’re underage, and then when they turn 18 it becomes “moot.” You know, just like elections…

    The left is relentless. We need school choice. If we rely on government or lawyers the left wins. Never fight according to the enemies plan.

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  24. Gary Robbins Member
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    I am embarrassed that this post was elevated to the Main Feed.  I listened to David French explain why a litigation strategy was better than the poorly worded anti-CRT laws.  His point was that when he started to litigate against speech codes in Universities, he only needed to win a few cases, and thereafter universities started to cave.  See this page which explains the Evanston-Skokie case which is a test case going on right now.  https://www.slfliberty.org/case/deemar-v-evanston-skokie-school-district-65/

    Still, there are the David French haters.  I suggest that they invest $10 a month or $100 a year to get a subscription to The Dispatch so that they can make up their own minds.

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am embarrassed that this post was elevated to the Main Feed. I listened to David French explain why a litigation strategy was better than the poorly worded anti-CRT laws. His point was that when he started to litigate against speech codes in Universities, he only needed to win a few cases, and thereafter universities started to cave. See this page which explains the Evanston-Skokie case which is a test case going on right now. https://www.slfliberty.org/case/deemar-v-evanston-skokie-school-district-65/

    Still, there are the David French haters. I suggest that they invest $10 a month or $100 a year to get a subscription to The Dispatch so that they can make up their own minds.

    Not.

    Gonna.

    Happen.

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  26. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Dbroussa: The continued betrayal of David French

    I’m assuming you mean “the continued betrayal by David French” rather than “somebody or other betrayed David French (though I think French believes that Donald Trump, and by extension, all Trump’s supporters, somehow betrayed French, which justifies his outrage.)

    Hmm…I would have to ask my wife who is the writer what is more correct, but I think you might be correct in that by is clearer than of. Perhaps I should have said…David French’s continued betrayal.

    In your defense, Thomas Malory did write, I think regarding Arthur, that he was “made knight of the best man there,” which in Malory’s day could well mean “by the best man there.”

    My wife says that either is acceptable, but that neither is the best way to state what I was trying to say. That is why she is a writer and I am an IT Consultant that posts on R> from time to time. 

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  27. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am embarrassed that this post was elevated to the Main Feed. I listened to David French explain why a litigation strategy was better than the poorly worded anti-CRT laws. His point was that when he started to litigate against speech codes in Universities, he only needed to win a few cases, and thereafter universities started to cave. See this page which explains the Evanston-Skokie case which is a test case going on right now. https://www.slfliberty.org/case/deemar-v-evanston-skokie-school-district-65/

    Still, there are the David French haters. I suggest that they invest $10 a month or $100 a year to get a subscription to The Dispatch so that they can make up their own minds.

    Not.

    Gonna.

    Happen.

    You commented 11 times in a row in this post in comments 72-82.  Perhaps that is appropriate in a Member Feed Post, but not a Main Feed Post, in my opinion.

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  28. Brian Wyneken Member
    Brian Wyneken
    @BrianWyneken

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    . . . 

    Still, there are the David French haters. I suggest that they invest $10 a month or $100 a year to get a subscription to The Dispatch so that they can make up their own minds.

    Not.

    Gonna.

    Happen.

    You commented 11 times in a row in this post in comments 72-82. Perhaps that is appropriate in a Member Feed Post, but not a Main Feed Post, in my opinion.

    Nigel Tufnel might beg to differ.

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  29. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Brian Wyneken (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    . . .

    Still, there are the David French haters. I suggest that they invest $10 a month or $100 a year to get a subscription to The Dispatch so that they can make up their own minds.

    Not.

    Gonna.

    Happen.

    You commented 11 times in a row in this post in comments 72-82. Perhaps that is appropriate in a Member Feed Post, but not a Main Feed Post, in my opinion.

    Nigel Tufnel might beg to differ.

    Who is that?

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  30. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    French’s position is that the state laws are too broad and advocates a district-by-school district approach. He wants the war fought on 16,800 battlefields instead of 50. In other words, surrender.

    I heard a conversation between Chris Rufo and David French on Bari Weiss’ Substack:  https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/should-public-schools-ban-critical  I think you have to be a subscriber to hear it, but if I remember correctly, Chris Rufo made this same point, if not here then somewhere else.  The legislation gives some backing to these parents who otherwise are left to their own devices to take on school board after school board.  David French kept taking the same tack:  the legislation is too broad and won’t stand up in court, although the language I’ve read in these bills makes it pretty clear that they are looking for history to be taught as a discipline, the good and the bad,  without ideology injected.  Seems right to me.  

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