The Continued Betrayal of David French

 

It’s always sad to see someone you once respected be clown themselves, alas Mr. French seems to want to take it to the next level. In a recent op-ed for the NYT, he joined with three other authors to decry the efforts by various States to slow down Critical Race Theory (CRT). You can read it (shouldn’t be a paywall even) here. (EDITED to correct link)

It’s not clear what parts of this Mr. French actually wrote, but since he signed his name to it, one has to assume that he agrees with it in toto.

The oped is fraught with problems, mostly with assigning pure and noble intention to the proponents of CRT and ascribing only the most vile intentions to its opponents. That has been Mr. French’s opinion of conservatives (that do not agree with him) since 2015. He is, of course, entitled to his views, but that doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t be criticized for that betrayal. I take it further that he, and many others like him, have betrayed the very essence of the conservative political movement by failing to express conservatives views in ways that win adherents to the cause.

As an example:

Indeed, the very act of learning history in a free and multiethnic society is inescapably fraught. Any accurate teaching of any country’s history could make some of its citizens feel uncomfortable (or even guilty) about the past. To deny this necessary consequence of education is, to quote W.E.B. Du Bois, to transform “history into propaganda.”

Why is it that teaching that the essential founding of the U.S. is flawed and thus that the US is a flawed country not propaganda?  Why is, as Kendi proclaims, that the govt must favor certain races to ensure equity of outcomes not propaganda and indoctrination? The authors, and especially Mr. French are desirous of destroying the value of our founding on Natural Law to replace it with what exactly?

There was a dust up on Twitter about how CRT should be replaced with Natural Law in our schools. I’d say that prior to CRT, we, mostly, taught Natural Law. That we are all equal, endowed with unalienable rights, and that the role of govt is to secure those rights and protect them from infringement (especially by the government). This shared mythos of our founding and arc towards improvement and the fulfillment of those ideals is the story of the U.S. A decent study of history emphasizes that as opposed to undermining it.

Over on The Federalist, there was a summation of the Twitter fight that is worth reading as well. The idea that Natural Law is now White Supremacy shows a remarkable lack of…well intelligence, or perhaps wisdom is the right term. When one defines that the US was founded to promulgate slavery as the 1619 Project attempts, then one might easily make the jump that the Natural Law that the Founders based their opinions on would be White Supremacy. That Mr. French appears to agree with this continues his slide into, I’d say it relevancy, but as he moves more to the left, or at least becomes a tool of the left by being a “critical conservative” he will become more popular in the mainstream.

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  1. Hoyacon Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Okay, I’ve read the NYT Op Ed. (Thank you, @ dbroussa, for providing a guest link to the piece.)

    Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, the piece assumes as a given that we do not have a legitimate interest in presenting a particular interpretation and narrative of America to our children. On the contrary, I think we do have such an interest, and I think those schools which are funded by American citizens and charged with the compulsory education of our children should avoid embracing shoddy scholarship that is contrary to our national character and that undermines the values most Americans hold dear. I believe that CRT and the 1619 Project represent such shoddy and destructive “scholarship,” and I think it’s well within the scope of state government to exclude such material from public primary and secondary education.

    My criticism of French here has been directed at his inability to first set the table with an acknowledgement of what is going on and what is at stake–before venturing into his take on statutory restrictions.  It’s possible that his participation in that editorial precluded him from doing so because of the views of the co-authors.  It’s also possible that he doesn’t see that “legitimate interest” as being at stake.

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  2. Gary Robbins Member
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    I suggest that you listen to David French himself explain his point of view as to how to best combat Critical Race Theory, or CRT.  He was interviewed on the Daily Bulwark today, Friday, July 16th.  Go to the 21:30 point in the podcast.  

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  3. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I suggest that you listen to David French himself explain his point of view as to how to best combat Critical Race Theory, or CRT. He was interviewed on the Daily Bulwark today, Friday, July 16th. Go to the 21:30 point in the podcast.

    I’m not interested at this point in how he wants to combat it; I’m interested in what he thinks about it, and whether he unequivocally condemns it.  Does he do that?

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  4. Henry Racette Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I suggest that you listen to David French himself explain his point of view as to how to best combat Critical Race Theory, or CRT. He was interviewed on the Daily Bulwark today, Friday, July 16th. Go to the 21:30 point in the podcast.

    Gary,

    I’ve read the Op Ed he endorsed, and am responding to that.

    H.

     

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  5. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Okay, I’ve read the NYT Op Ed. (Thank you, @ dbroussa, for providing a guest link to the piece.)

    I find the piece unconvincing for at least a couple of reasons, which I hope I can convey clearly.

    First, there’s the matter of misrepresentation. The authors do in fact misstate the Tennessee bill, critically omitting the phrase “should feel,” and thus mischaracterizing the bill. This isn’t incidental to the Op Ed: the authors base much of their argument on this purported call to avoid creating a particular feeling, rather than on what the bill actually does, which is prohibit explicitly telling kids what they should feel. I think this is a peculiar error, and hard to credit to mere sloppiness.

    A fair take, I think, but I don’t think that the omission of “should” weakens their point much, especially since they focus as much on the promote “division” section. They are still right that the statute is too vague. Aside from some obvious things he can’t do, a teacher may have no idea when he might be violating the statute. Are you not troubled by that at all?

    Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, the piece assumes as a given that we do not have a legitimate interest in presenting a particular interpretation and narrative of America to our children. 

    I don’t think it assumes that. As Hoya suggests, I think that discussion is deliberately omitted because the coauthors likely disagree and it doesn’t affect their broader point. By the same token, a hard core wokeist would criticize the article because it doesn’t advocate teaching CRT directly. But the whole point is to avoid that and focus on an area they agree on. 

    Your second point is a very fair criticism. 

     

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Okay, I’ve read the NYT Op Ed. (Thank you, @ dbroussa, for providing a guest link to the piece.)

    I find the piece unconvincing for at least a couple of reasons, which I hope I can convey clearly.

    First, there’s the matter of misrepresentation. The authors do in fact misstate the Tennessee bill, critically omitting the phrase “should feel,” and thus mischaracterizing the bill. This isn’t incidental to the Op Ed: the authors base much of their argument on this purported call to avoid creating a particular feeling, rather than on what the bill actually does, which is prohibit explicitly telling kids what they should feel. I think this is a peculiar error, and hard to credit to mere sloppiness.

    A fair take, I think, but I don’t think that the omission of “should” weakens their point much, especially since they focus as much on the promote “division” section. They are still right that the statute is too vague. Aside from some obvious things he can’t do, a teacher may have no idea when he might be violating the statute. Are you not troubled by that at all?

    Well the left doesn’t seem to care, when it comes to pronouns etc.  Maybe a taste of their own medicine?

     

     

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  7. Henry Racette Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    I don’t think that the omission of “should” weakens their point much

    You’re right that they make other arguments as well. This omission simply makes me question the integrity of the authors, and their forthrightness about their motives.

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    Aside from some obvious things he can’t do, a teacher may have no idea when he might be violating the statute. Are you not troubled by that at all?

    I’m not very troubled by it, no. I’m more concerned about a host of other workplace regulations that create actionable ambiguity. That doesn’t justify defending more bad legislation, of course: I’m not offering it as a defense of poorly written law. I’m just saying that I’m willing to risk that in order to prevent something I consider far worse.

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    By the same token, a hard core wokeist would criticize the article because it doesn’t advocate teaching CRT directly. But the whole point is to avoid that and focus on an area they agree on. 

    I guess this touches on a concern of mine, my fear that “the whole point” of the Op Ed might actually be to head off a measure that could effectively prevent CRT indoctrination. I think the reality is that CRT proponents are winning at the local level, where they represent a special interest that can effectively compete against the more diffuse general interests of local citizens caught up in their own lives and relatively oblivious to what goes on in the classroom. Faced with the possibility of concerned citizens making a legislative end-run around that, they suddenly discover a concern for free expression and federalized/local control.

    I think Mr. French has gotten into the habit, of late, of outsmarting himself.

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  8. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    The Babylon Bee mentioned Mr. French in a recent piece about the collusion between the White House and FB.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/to-avoid-1st-amendment-concerns-biden-administration-announces-they-will-let-facebook-run-the-gulags

    “This is such a great idea,” said brilliant Conservative folk hero David French. “The government is not violating the 1st Amendment by outsourcing the gulags to Facebook since Facebook is a private entity—and their terms of service clearly state at the bottom of page 3,272 that they are allowed to detain you in a labor camp any time they want to. If you agreed to the terms of service, there’s really nothing you can do. I guess you should have used another monopolistic social media platform. This is a huge win for conservative free-speech principles”

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  9. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Okay, I’ve read the NYT Op Ed. (Thank you, @ dbroussa, for providing a guest link to the piece.)

    I’m sorry that I didn’t get it right ght the first time. Posting from my phone early in the AM and the NYTs less than intuitive interface are my excuses. 

     

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  10. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    I don’t think that the omission of “should” weakens their point much

    You’re right that they make other arguments as well. This omission simply makes me question the integrity of the authors, and their forthrightness about their motives.

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    Aside from some obvious things he can’t do, a teacher may have no idea when he might be violating the statute. Are you not troubled by that at all?

    I’m not very troubled by it, no. I’m more concerned about a host of other workplace regulations that create actionable ambiguity. That doesn’t justify defending more bad legislation, of course: I’m not offering it as a defense of poorly written law. I’m just saying that I’m willing to risk that in order to prevent something I consider far worse.

    The risk is unnecessary, though, because a better statute could easily be drafted. And opposition to vague laws is an important conservative principle, too, as progressives often have a field day with them, not to mention just, again, the basic due process and fundamental fairness concerns. And in this editorial, at least, a few prominent progressives are on record agreeing about the problems with vague statutes.  So that’s nice. 

    I don’t know why we must refrain from criticizing our side (not that you’re saying that here, Henry) when it goes blundering into these things, unnecessarily tossing conservative principles aside and dividing the conservative coalition. It’s a gift to the left. 

     

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  11. Stina Inactive
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    I don’t know why we must refrain from criticizing our side (not that you’re saying that here, Henry) when it goes blundering into these things, unnecessarily tossing conservative principles aside and dividing the conservative coalition. It’s a gift to the left. 

    It’s a problem when you are criticizing your side for failing to be perfect when the opposing side is way far off the reservation.

    The NRO piece Hoyacon linked hits that one on the head.

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  12. Henry Racette Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    I don’t think that the omission of “should” weakens their point much

    You’re right that they make other arguments as well. This omission simply makes me question the integrity of the authors, and their forthrightness about their motives.

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    Aside from some obvious things he can’t do, a teacher may have no idea when he might be violating the statute. Are you not troubled by that at all?

    I’m not very troubled by it, no. I’m more concerned about a host of other workplace regulations that create actionable ambiguity. That doesn’t justify defending more bad legislation, of course: I’m not offering it as a defense of poorly written law. I’m just saying that I’m willing to risk that in order to prevent something I consider far worse.

    The risk is unnecessary, though, because a better statute could easily be drafted.

    I agree. However, the authors of the Op Ed were not suggesting that this law should be better written. Rather, they’re arguing that we should not have such laws. They are using imperfections — possibly serious imperfections — in proposed laws to justify something else: that there be no such laws restricting what can be taught in the classroom. (The fact that they’re mischaracterizing the Tennessee law in order to do that is telling, I think.)

    In their Op Ed they say this:

    Let’s not mince words about these laws. They are speech codes. They seek to change public education by banning the expression of ideas. Even if this censorship is legal in the narrow context of public primary and secondary education, it is antithetical to educating students in the culture of American free expression.

    I’ll be frank: I don’t believe that most of the signatories actually oppose speech codes in the classroom. (I don’t know about Mr. French.) I believe most of them will gladly accept speech codes that prohibit speech they don’t like. I don’t believe they are strong advocates of free speech in general. I think they are trying to do what I described earlier: prevent effective legislation limiting their preferred ideological instruction and leaving the matter to less effective local boards and groups that they can dominate and control. I think Mr. French has either been duped (likely) or has lost his bearing just a little and been caught up in the fine print and is missing today’s blaring headlines.

    (Incidentally, I still think David French is on our side in the broader scheme of things. I just think he’s making some pretty serious mistakes that diminish his value. We all make mistakes: that doesn’t make him a bad man.)

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  13. The Reticulator Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I’ll be frank: I don’t believe that most of the signatories actually oppose speech codes in the classroom. (I don’t know about Mr. French.) I believe most of them will gladly accept speech codes that prohibit speech they don’t like. I don’t believe they are strong advocates of free speech in general. I think they are trying to do what I described earlier: prevent effective legislation limiting their preferred ideological instruction and leaving the matter to less effective local boards and groups that they can dominate and control. I think Mr. French has either been duped (likely) or has lost his bearing just a little and been caught up in the fine print and is missing today’s blaring headlines.

    If they’re fine with the Biden administration urging Facebook to censor health-care information, they’re probably not against speech codes in the classroom, either. 

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  14. jeannebodine, Verbose Bon Viva… Member
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    David French is a dishonest, hypocritcal, narcissistical grifter in the extreme. The examples that follow are limited to the subject of CRT and its components and his views on race relations before and after terminal TDS and his new, big-paying gig at The Dispatch (partially funded by Facebook  and who knows who). Do we really believe his views have completely changed based on conscience? Only if we define conscience as $$$. And remember, these are examples on only one subject. Pick any subject and the results are exactly the same. Drag queens, anyone?

    Pre-TDS, Writing for National Review

    The Racial Poison of ‘White Privilege’

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/racial-poison-white-privilege/

    Black Lives Matter & Progressives: Radical, Dangerous Movement

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/12/black-lives-matter-progressives-radical-dangerous-movement/

    Black Lives Matter Keeps Getting More Radical — Will the Media Care?

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/08/black-lives-matter-media-left-radical/

    Is Diversity Really Our Strength?

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/american-diversity-requires-common-creed/

    The ‘Educated Elite’ Isn’t Educated, and It Isn’t Elite

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/american-educated-elite-not-educated-not-elite/

    Ta-Nehisi Coates’s Eloquent Hate Is Still Hate

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/ta-nehisi-coates-kanye-west-hate-eloquent/

    Black Lives Matter: Radicals Using Moderates to Help Tear America Apart

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/07/black-lives-matter-radical-divisive/

    Post-TDS, Writing for The Dispatch (There are too many to list especially in relation to his view of GOPers, Evangelicals, etc. as racists and our many failings but these specifically address CRT and how far we have to go as racist Americans. Also so many are behind a paywall and why pay when you can read The Daily Beast?).

    On the Use and Abuse of Critical Race Theory in American Christianity

    (CRT) ” can help identify the reality and effects of oppression. ” “In that construct, critical race theory can be an analytical tool (one of many) that can help us understand persistent inequality and injustice in the United States.”

    https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/on-the-use-and-abuse-of-critical

    American Racism: We’ve Got So Very Far to Go

    https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/american-racism-weve-got-so-very

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    The Babylon Bee mentioned Mr. French in a recent piece about the collusion between the White House and FB.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/to-avoid-1st-amendment-concerns-biden-administration-announces-they-will-let-facebook-run-the-gulags

    “This is such a great idea,” said brilliant Conservative folk hero David French. “The government is not violating the 1st Amendment by outsourcing the gulags to Facebook since Facebook is a private entity—and their terms of service clearly state at the bottom of page 3,272 that they are allowed to detain you in a labor camp any time they want to. If you agreed to the terms of service, there’s really nothing you can do. I guess you should have used another monopolistic social media platform. This is a huge win for conservative free-speech principles”

     

    Oh man, that’s beautiful!

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  16. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    jeannebodine, Verbose Bon Viva… (View Comment):

    David French is a dishonest, hypocritcal, narcissistical grifter in the extreme. The examples that follow are limited to the subject of CRT and its components and his views on race relations before and after terminal TDS and his new, big-paying gig at The Dispatch (partially funded by Facebook and who knows who). Do we really believe his views have completely changed based on conscience? Only if we define conscience as $$$. And remember, these are examples on only one subject. Pick any subject and the results are exactly the same. Drag queens, anyone?

    Pre-TDS, Writing for National Review

    The Racial Poison of ‘White Privilege’

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/racial-poison-white-privilege/

    Black Lives Matter & Progressives: Radical, Dangerous Movement

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/12/black-lives-matter-progressives-radical-dangerous-movement/

    Black Lives Matter Keeps Getting More Radical — Will the Media Care?

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/08/black-lives-matter-media-left-radical/

    Is Diversity Really Our Strength?

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/american-diversity-requires-common-creed/

    The ‘Educated Elite’ Isn’t Educated, and It Isn’t Elite

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/american-educated-elite-not-educated-not-elite/

    Ta-Nehisi Coates’s Eloquent Hate Is Still Hate

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/ta-nehisi-coates-kanye-west-hate-eloquent/

    Black Lives Matter: Radicals Using Moderates to Help Tear America Apart

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/07/black-lives-matter-radical-divisive/

    Post-TDS, Writing for The Dispatch (There are too many to list especially in relation to his view of GOPers, Evangelicals, etc. as racists and our many failings but these specifically address CRT and how far we have to go as racist Americans. Also so many are behind a paywall and why pay when you can read The Daily Beast?).

    On the Use and Abuse of Critical Race Theory in American Christianity

    (CRT) ” can help identify the reality and effects of oppression. ” “In that construct, critical race theory can be an analytical tool (one of many) that can help us understand persistent inequality and injustice in the United States.”

    https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/on-the-use-and-abuse-of-critical

    American Racism: We’ve Got So Very Far to Go

    https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/american-racism-weve-got-so-very

    He’s fairly critical of CRT in the “use and abuse” article above, clearly opposed to it as a way of seeing the world, and it’s a better summary of what it actually is than you usually see. 

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  17. Hoyacon Member
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    [Deleted: technical difficulties]

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    If you were planning to add/reply something to D.A.Venters’ comment, I’m not seeing it.

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  19. Hoyacon Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    He’s fairly critical of CRT in the “use and abuse” article above, clearly opposed to it as a way of seeing the world, and it’s a better summary of what it actually is than you usually see.

    Thanks for pointing me to that piece since I’ve essentially been saying throughout that one can’t truly assess French’s views on legislation affecting CRT without knowing how French feels about CRT itself.   As he notes, the problem is one of definition.  Looking at how he defines it, I would characterize his criticism as lukewarm.

    While he does attempt a concrete explanation/definition that may be accurate in an academic sense, my concern is that his characterizations adopt the rationalizations of CRT’s academic proponents and bear little relation to teaching materials in K-12 that I’ve seen.  It’s very possible that critics have adopted CRT as shorthand for teachings that go beyond the “CRT” that French speaks about.  This can happen and is a recipe for talking past one another.

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  20. Hoyacon Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    If you were planning to add/reply something to D.A.Venters’ comment, I’m not seeing it.

    Thanks.  See above.

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  21. Jim Beck Inactive
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    The best discussion of CRT, legislation, and parental response, Glenn Loury and john McWhorter:

    From the 28 min to 42 min they focus on CRT.

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  22. MarciN Member
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    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Okay, I’ve read the NYT Op Ed. (Thank you, @ dbroussa, for providing a guest link to the piece.)

    I’m sorry that I didn’t get it right ght the first time. Posting from my phone early in the AM and the NYTs less than intuitive interface are my excuses.

    Thank you for the link. I just now finally read the piece.

    There’s so much circular reasoning in it that I’m impressed by the patient analysis in this thread. I think the members of Ricochet are smarter people than the editors at the New York Times.

    Now I see why everyone here was upset by the editorial. And I am too.

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    MarciN (View Comment):

    If David French is agreeing with the other authors, then what he is pushing for is centralized education so that students get to hear the things the coauthors think they should. 

    My sense was that he was arguing for free speech on behalf of the educators. 

    He does seem to be among those always in favor of deferring to “experts.”

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  24. MarciN Member
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