They’re Called “World Wars” for a Reason

That war in the Middle East had been predicted did little to allay the shock of all who’ve followed the news from Israel since October 7th. Today’s first guest Niall Ferguson was among those who made such a prediction. He joins to discuss the Second Cold War, why it’s warming up, and the difficulties the US will face if the temperature continues to rise. And Eli Lake joins to expound upon a shift in Israel’s national security policy as the country concludes that existence in a world that contains Hamas is impossible.

 

 

 

  • Sound clip from the opening music: Benjamin Netanyahu’s address in response to Hamas’ attack.
  • Photo credit: Pro-Israel demonstrators take place in a rally in response to the attack in Israel, Monday, Oct. 9, 2023, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo: Ringo Chiu/Shutterstock)

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  1. EJHill Staff
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    Seen in the Mediterranean yesterday:

    The Israeli flag flying on the mast of a US Navy Arliegh Burke-destroyer.

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  2. BDB Inactive
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    Seen in the Mediterranean yesterday:

    The Israeli flag flying on the mast of a US Navy Arliegh Burke-destroyer.

    RAWRRRRR!  On the US Navy’s 248th birthday, nonetheless!  Give or take a time zone and an official observance.

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  3. RufusRJones Member
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    Newt’s World – Episode 616: Hamas Attack on Israel

    Newt reacts to the Hamas attack on Israel and gives his point of view of on how the United States should respond.

    As Israelis were wrapping up the seven-day-long Jewish holiday of Sukkot on Saturday, sirens rung out across the country just before dawn and citizens soon realized it was not a false alarm. A surprise attack on Israel was being waged by Hamas militants from the air, sea and ground. Newt talks about how the attack happened and what the United States response to Hamas should be.

     

    https://www.gingrich360.com/2023/10/13/newts-world-episode-616-hamas-attack-on-israel/

     

     

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  4. J Ro Member
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    Niall Ferguson says, “I don’t think our world is so different from the world of 1914.”

    Agreed! The events represented by this scene in the 1962 movie Lawrence of Arabia were happening in the Levant in October, 1918, exactly 105 years ago.

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  5. Scott Wilmot Member
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    At the 1:03:45 mark you start talking about the root cause of the Israel-Gaza/Iran War. Until we can clearly say that Islam is the root cause, we can’t fix the problem.

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  6. BDB Inactive
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    At the 1:03:45 mark you start talking about the root cause of the Israel-Gaza/Iran War. Until we can clearly say that Islam is the root cause, we can’t fix the problem.

    How much Islam should we eliminate to fix the problem?

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  7. RufusRJones Member
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    This is excellent analysis. Short. It’s on all podcast platforms. 

    David Harsanyi – The Buck Sexton Show

    https://www.bucksexton.com/david-harsanyi-the-buck-sexton-show/

     

     

     

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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    I’ve listened extensively to Robert Spencer. I don’t see how you can modify or improve Islam to fit into western civilization. 

    What we have been doing to immigration is going to turn into national suicide.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    About halfway in, here is analysis from Benjamin Weingarten. It’s not long, but it’s really dense. I would describe it as the technical description of the political dynamics. 

     

    https://thecharliekirkshow.com/podcasts/the-charlie-kirk-show/the-islamist-infiltration-of-america-with-michael

     

     

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  10. RufusRJones Member
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    This didn’t get in the news much. There was one kibbutz with an alert security guard and a rifle. She killed five of the terrorists, and everybody survived pretty much. Some countries need more guns and more concealed carry. I’m no expert, but I would say a lot of those areas need grenades and RPG’s. Etc.

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  11. RufusRJones Member
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    We spend $1 trillion a year on defense and…

    … we have a munitions shortage.

    … we have a skilled labor shortage in the defense industry, both repair and manufacturing.

    … etc

    https://www.bucksexton.com/elbridge-colby-the-buck-sexton-show/

     

     

     

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    This didn’t get in the news much. There was one kibbutz with an alert security guard and a rifle. She killed five of the terrorists, and everybody survived pretty much. Some countries need more guns and more concealed carry. I’m no expert, but I would say a lot of those areas need grenades and RPG’s. Etc.

    Because the muslim infiltrators are going to have them.

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  13. Taras Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    This didn’t get in the news much. There was one kibbutz with an alert security guard and a rifle. She killed five of the terrorists, and everybody survived pretty much. Some countries need more guns and more concealed carry. I’m no expert, but I would say a lot of those areas need grenades and RPG’s. Etc.

    Because the muslim infiltrators are going to have them.

    Indeed, I was under the impression that Israeli civilians were more widely armed than they turned out to be; but possibly that marks me as an old-timer.   (Was that music concert, by any chance, a “gun-free zone”?)

    I speculate that liberal Israelis suffered more than conservative ones, because the right-wingers would be more likely to be armed, and to shoot it out with the terrorists (to one conclusion or the other) rather than surrendering.   Win or lose, they would be less likely to be raped, tortured, or taken hostage.

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  14. RufusRJones Member
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    Taras (View Comment):
    Indeed, I was under the impression that Israeli civilians were more widely armed than they turned out to be;

    I was ***really*** surprised by this. That certainly wasn’t painted correctly by the media for all of these years.

     

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  15. RufusRJones Member
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  16. BDB Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

     

    I don’t give a galloping hoot what Kilmeade puts out. 

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  17. RufusRJones Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

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    I don’t give a galloping hoot what Kilmeade puts out.

    It’s a very compelling indictment of Hamas etc.

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

     

    I don’t give a galloping hoot what Kilmeade puts out.

    It’s a very compelling indictment of Hamas etc.

    There’s a plentiful supply, I don’t think there’s any need to go to Kilmeade for it.

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  19. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    Early on Rob said that he doesn’t have any thoughts and I said to myself….truer words have not been spoken.

    Niall was interesting until he said that Jake Sullivan was really smart and that if ti wasn’t for Joe Biden he would be a great Foreign Policy wonk.  He also said that Blinken is a good SecState.

     

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  20. Taras Coolidge
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Early on Rob said that he doesn’t have any thoughts and I said to myself….truer words have not been spoken.

    Niall was interesting until he said that Jake Sullivan was really smart and that if ti wasn’t for Joe Biden he would be a great Foreign Policy wonk. He also said that Blinken is a good SecState.

     

    It is, indeed, a little hard to believe.

    On the other hand, in the White House, the President is the proverbial 800-pound gorilla.

    Even if he’s an 800-pound gorilla with declining mental faculties.

    If they disagree with the President’s foolish policies, of course, they should at least threaten to resign.  

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
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    Taras (View Comment):

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Early on Rob said that he doesn’t have any thoughts and I said to myself….truer words have not been spoken.

    Niall was interesting until he said that Jake Sullivan was really smart and that if ti wasn’t for Joe Biden he would be a great Foreign Policy wonk. He also said that Blinken is a good SecState.

    It is, indeed, a little hard to believe.

    On the other hand, in the White House, the President is the proverbial 800-pound gorilla.

    Even if he’s an 800-pound gorilla with declining mental faculties.

    If they disagree with the President’s foolish policies, of course, they should at least threaten to resign.

    But this group has an even better option:  they can actually implement the policies THEY want, while telling President Mortimer Snerd that they’re implementing HIS.  He’ll never know the difference, so they’re safe.

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  22. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

     

    I don’t give a galloping hoot what Kilmeade puts out.

    It’s a very compelling indictment of Hamas etc.

    There’s a plentiful supply, I don’t think there’s any need to go to Kilmeade for it.

    JFC it is a 15 minute ***free*** ***excellent*** interview.  Nothing bad is going to happen to you if you listen to it.

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  23. BDB Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

     

    I don’t give a galloping hoot what Kilmeade puts out.

    It’s a very compelling indictment of Hamas etc.

    There’s a plentiful supply, I don’t think there’s any need to go to Kilmeade for it.

    JFC it is a 15 minute ***free*** ***excellent*** interview. Nothing bad is going to happen to you if you listen to it.

    I’m grateful for your effort etc, but I already know all I need to of HAMAS, and all I want to of Kilmeade.

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  24. RufusRJones Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

     

    I listened to a ton of stuff yesterday. This was about the education system and the big picture in the Middle East. The person was a professor at Catholic University.

    Mark Levin was on Fox and friends yesterday and after listening to him you genuinely wonder how they don’t level Lebanon and Iran before this is over. 

    I just heard a former Israeli ambassador on Hugh Hewitt, I think his name was Dr. Michael Oren. He was saying they need to deal with Iran first, because Hamas isn’t going anywhere. 

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  25. BDB Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

     

    I listened to a ton of stuff yesterday. This was about the education system and the big picture in the Middle East. The person was a professor at Catholic University.

    Mark Levin was on Fox and friends yesterday and after listening to him you genuinely wonder how they don’t level Lebanon and Iran before this is over.

    I just heard a former Israeli ambassador on Hugh Hewitt, I think his name was Dr. Michael Oren. He was saying they need to deal with Iran first, because Hamas isn’t going anywhere.

    Oren also wrote Six Days of War, which is a great read.  

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  26. Taras Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Early on Rob said that he doesn’t have any thoughts and I said to myself….truer words have not been spoken.

    Niall was interesting until he said that Jake Sullivan was really smart and that if ti wasn’t for Joe Biden he would be a great Foreign Policy wonk. He also said that Blinken is a good SecState.

    It is, indeed, a little hard to believe.

    On the other hand, in the White House, the President is the proverbial 800-pound gorilla.

    Even if he’s an 800-pound gorilla with declining mental faculties.

    If they disagree with the President’s foolish policies, of course, they should at least threaten to resign.

    But this group has an even better option: they can actually implement the policies THEY want, while telling President Mortimer Snerd that they’re implementing HIS. He’ll never know the difference, so they’re safe.

    Amusing, but not realistic.  There are too many Biden loyalists in the White House — members of his family, if no one else — that will let him know of this kind of deception.   You’d have to get everybody on the same page, even if we set aside the liberal media.

    And so, the President got his own way in Afghanistan.

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    Taras (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Early on Rob said that he doesn’t have any thoughts and I said to myself….truer words have not been spoken.

    Niall was interesting until he said that Jake Sullivan was really smart and that if ti wasn’t for Joe Biden he would be a great Foreign Policy wonk. He also said that Blinken is a good SecState.

    It is, indeed, a little hard to believe.

    On the other hand, in the White House, the President is the proverbial 800-pound gorilla.

    Even if he’s an 800-pound gorilla with declining mental faculties.

    If they disagree with the President’s foolish policies, of course, they should at least threaten to resign.

    But this group has an even better option: they can actually implement the policies THEY want, while telling President Mortimer Snerd that they’re implementing HIS. He’ll never know the difference, so they’re safe.

    Amusing, but not realistic. There are too many Biden loyalists in the White House — members of his family, if no one else — that will let him know of this kind of deception. You’d have to get everybody on the same page, even if we set aside the liberal media.

    And so, the President got his own way in Afghanistan.

    I guess so, if you think the family members etc would think it was more important to bungle things HIS way, rather than do things better and he gets credit for it even though it’s not what he wanted.

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  28. kedavis Coolidge
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    Niall Ferguson can get bent, George Floyd wasn’t murdered.  Unless you want to include suicide as “self-murder.”

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
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    The simple reason why Arafat didn’t make any real peace deal was that he would have probably woken up dead the next morning.

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    Did Rob really say that withdrawing from Afghanistan during Trump wouldn’t have gone any better than Biden?

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