The Fantastic Mr. Fox

This week, Steve Hayward sits in for Rob (just a scheduling issue, not a Big Trip) and we’ve got British free speech advocate Laurence Fox and our good and very smart friend Dr. Jay Bhattacharya  back to give some advice and comment on the state’s emerging plans to re-open. Also, a recent survey has some surprising results and Steve and Peter defend a maligned movie.

Music from this week’s show:  The Fox (What Does The Fox Say?) by Ylvis

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  1. Mark Alexander Coolidge
    Mark Alexander
    @MarkAlexander

    Laurence Fox is the kind of man that American progressive teachers have been working hard to breed out in the last 20 years with the War Against Boys in the public schools. 

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  2. Nick Plosser Coolidge
    Nick Plosser
    @NickP

    Great guests! Been a huge fan of Fox and Inspector Lewis for years. 

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  3. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Maybe because Steve Hayward started the squirrel discussion, James never said which maligned movie he’d been watching, that motivated the post.

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  4. JennaStocker Member
    JennaStocker
    @JennaStocker

    The opening discussion after the poll questions was a great show of three different, but very knowledgeable  perspectives coming together with slightly varied possibilities for the state of politics in America at this moment. Could it be that Nancy Pelosi understands the voters are smarter and more informed (and able) to make their own opinions on these cultural issues/events and norms, but the increasingly authoritative bent of progressives doesn’t want the public to wield that power? Maybe Nancy and Chuck Schumer see the current flows stronger with the AOC’s and Omar’s and  they’re just trying to keep the last bit of their power amongst the left?

    And I can’t emphasize enough how wonderful it was to be introduced to Mr. Fox. What a great segment. Both of our nations could take heed of Milton’s words on censorship in his Areopagitica. From start to “The Sound of Music”, this was another great show. Thank you!

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  5. James Lileks Contributor
    James Lileks
    @jameslileks

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Maybe because Steve Hayward started the squirrel discussion, James never said which maligned movie he’d been watching, that motivated the post.

    I put that at the end of the original post. 

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  6. James Lileks Contributor
    James Lileks
    @jameslileks

    (And yes, now I am just messing with you.)

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  7. Aaron Miller Member
    Aaron Miller
    @AaronMiller

    Fox inspired me to write a post with his final comments: Move the Middle

    Farage, like Reagan, won elections by boldly stating truth as he saw it. Fox will gain popularity in the same way. Forget focus groups. Just say what you believe and let people surprise you. 

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  8. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Speaking of “sensible leftism”. This is very wonkish, but everybody needs to take a crack at trying to understand this. This lays out why Socialism and populism are going crazy right now and I think it explains Nancy Pelosi’s behavior as outlined in the podcast.

    https://investresolve.com/podcasts/mike-green-the-fourth-turning-and-reimagining-the-american-dream/

    @stevenhayward @peterrobinson it would also be perfect for VDH. The guy that is being interviewed lives in the bay area. I’ve seen multiple videos and interviews of this guy and he’s really smart.

    You guys might not have the time to deal with this but you should pass it on to someone else that does.

     

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  9. EJHill Podcaster
    EJHill
    @EJHill

    The Fantastic Mr. Fox announced today.

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  10. JennaStocker Member
    JennaStocker
    @JennaStocker

    EJHill (View Comment):

    The Fantastic Mr. Fox announced today.

    Outstanding! Thanks @ejhill for posting this! After listening to the gentlemen’s discussion and seeing this, maybe there’s a takeaway for politicians in America. The intolerant liberals & shut-down forever crowd really don’t have the numbers behind them, but right now they have the loudest voices. A strong leader from the right with a similar message could have a great impact. And it’s big enough to just be on constant defense of our Constitutional rights, they must always be front and center, asserted as the raison d’etre. And Mr. Fox is absolutely correct, and it’s something the left has convinced people wrongly about conservatives, that diversity/tolerance and a national, patriotic identity are mutually exclusive.  Messaging is so powerful.

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  11. Mark Alexander Coolidge
    Mark Alexander
    @MarkAlexander

    EJHill (View Comment):

    The Fantastic Mr. Fox announced today.

    Yes!

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  12. kylez Member
    kylez
    @kylez

    Nancy Pelosi’s going with the left because she’s a leftist.

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  13. SParker Member
    SParker
    @SParker

    Critics hated The Sound of Music from the start*.  I know this from the Wikipedia entry for it.   Which I know because I was curious whether the men were wearing coat and tie were because it was shot in Cinerama (a 3-camera/projector wide-format process used for a very small number of films, How the West Was Won being one) and Peter saw it in a Cinerama theatre.  Going to the first ones of those was a big deal and people may not have fully recovered by 1965.  The movie, however, was shot in Todd-AO, which was a single camera wide-format process meant for a curved screen (like Cineramas had, so maybe).  I suspect the answer is that the men were wearing coat and tie because their wives told them to.  Why get complicated?

    (Personally, I saw it because my mother somehow thought that what a 13-year-old boy needs to see in the summer of 1965 in a strange city is musicals (My Fair Lady, The Sound of Music, Mary Poppins) and not Help.  She did not go with me as she did not like movies, Gone With the Wind and Auntie Mame being the only exceptions I’m aware of.   Now there’s some therapist fodder for you.)

     

    *I’m sure everyone involved in the production wore out the Liberace line “I cried all the way to the bank.”

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  14. Wolfsheim Member
    Wolfsheim
    @Wolfsheim

    In French, a final (orthographic) -d is silent before a consonant but may “surface” as [t] before a vowel, so pied-à-terre is ​ ​[pjetaˈtɛʁ]. Bon appétit is [bɔːnæpeɪˈtiː], no nasalized vowel, no final -t…Ah, but though French may not be not the forte of the Richochet trio, the political analysis is superb. I was particularly cheered this time by Peter Robinson’s forceful argument that Nancy Pelosi and her fellow Democrats are simply charging ahead, public opinion and the next elections be damned. I say “cheered” because it suggests that those of us non-professional observers and commentators who are feeling quite dismayed are not delusional. The leftists who triumphed in the last elections are, it seems, just a ruthless as we take them to be. If the flip-side of ruthlessness is carelessness, there may be a sharp reaction that will yet save the republic.

     

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  15. Peter Robinson Contributor
    Peter Robinson
    @PeterRobinson

    SParker (View Comment):

    Critics hated The Sound of Music from the start*. I know this from the Wikipedia entry for it. Which I know because I was curious whether the men were wearing coat and tie were because it was shot in Cinerama (a 3-camera/projector wide-format process used for a very small number of films, How the West Was Won being one) and Peter saw it in a Cinerama theatre. Going to the first ones of those was a big deal and people may not have fully recovered by 1965. The movie, however, was shot in Todd-AO, which was a single camera wide-format process meant for a curved screen (like Cineramas had, so maybe). I suspect the answer is that the men were wearing coat and tie because their wives told them to. Why get complicated?

    (Personally, I saw it because my mother somehow thought that what a 13-year-old boy needs to see in the summer of 1965 in a strange city is musicals (My Fair Lady, The Sound of Music, Mary Poppins) and not Help. She did not go with me as she did not like movies, Gone With the Wind and Auntie Mame being the only exceptions I’m aware of. Now there’s some therapist fodder for you.)

     

    *I’m sure everyone involved in the production wore out the Liberace line “I cried all the way to the bank.”

    I like the sound of your mother. 

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  16. Peter Robinson Contributor
    Peter Robinson
    @PeterRobinson

    Wolfsheim (View Comment):

    In French, a final (orthographic) -d is silent before a consonant but may “surface” as [t] before a vowel, so pied-à-terre is ​ ​[pjetaˈtɛʁ]. Bon appétit is [bɔːnæpeɪˈtiː], no nasalized vowel, no final -t…Ah, but though French may not be not the forte of the Richochet trio, the political analysis is superb. I was particularly cheered this time by Peter Robinson’s forceful argument that Nancy Pelosi and her fellow Democrats are simply charging ahead, public opinion and the next elections be damned. I say “cheered” because it suggests that those of us non-professional observers and commentators who are feeling quite dismayed are not delusional. The leftists who triumphed in the last elections are, it seems, just a ruthless as we take them to be. If the flip-side of ruthlessness is carelessness, there may be a sharp reaction that will yet save the republic.

    I enjoy your post-show corrections so much that I’m going to make an effort to mispronounce a great deal of French en l’avenir.

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  17. Vince Guerra Member
    Vince Guerra
    @VinceGuerra

    It’s really quite simple.

    “You don’t apologize to these people. You give them both barrels in return.” 

    Exactly. Glad to hear someone saying it. 

    “You don’t have any values. Your only value is to continue to be called conservative.”

    Gotta say, I’m loving this man. 

    Now, about Pelosi. She’s not afraid of losing an election because they just lost one and it didn’t matter. They cheated, they got caught, and nobody did anything about it. On the contrary, most of our leaders defended them. Now they’re trying with HR.1 to legalize all of the cheating they used. So why should they care. 

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  18. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    It’s really quite simple.

    “You don’t apologize to these people. You give them both barrels in return.”

    Exactly. Glad to hear someone saying it.

    “You don’t have any values. Your only value is to continue to be called conservative.”

    That seems like a pretty accurate description of George Will and Jonah Goldberg, among others.

    Gotta say, I’m loving this man.

    Now, about Pelosi. She’s not afraid of losing an election because they just lost one and it didn’t matter. They cheated, they got caught, and nobody did anything about it. On the contrary, most of our leaders defended them. Now they’re trying with HR.1 to legalize all of the cheating they used. So why should they care.

     

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  19. Vince Guerra Member
    Vince Guerra
    @VinceGuerra

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    It’s really quite simple.

    “You don’t apologize to these people. You give them both barrels in return.”

    Exactly. Glad to hear someone saying it.

    “You don’t have any values. Your only value is to continue to be called conservative.”

    That seems like a pretty accurate description of George Will and Jonah Goldberg, among others.

    Gotta say, I’m loving this man.

    Now, about Pelosi. She’s not afraid of losing an election because they just lost one and it didn’t matter. They cheated, they got caught, and nobody did anything about it. On the contrary, most of our leaders defended them. Now they’re trying with HR.1 to legalize all of the cheating they used. So why should they care.

     

    Among others. 

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  20. Randy Webster Member
    Randy Webster
    @RandyWebster

    I don’t think there was an Austro-Hungarian navy in 1933.  It probably ended in 1918.

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  21. Richard Easton Coolidge
    Richard Easton
    @RichardEaston

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    I don’t think there was an Austro-Hungarian navy in 1933. It probably ended in 1918.

    He was a captain in WW1.

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