Summer of Love

This week, a special edition of the Ricochet Podcast. Peter Robinson and Rob Long (Lileks is cruising the Atlantic) are joined by The Weekly Standard’s Andrew Ferguson and the great P.J. O’Rourke. You’ll definitely want to check out P.J.’s new venture AmercianConsequences.com. As you would expect, this show a wide ranging ramble through the culture, but past and present, including but no limited to President Trump, Sheriff Joe, the Summer of Love (in ’67), Burning Man, cars, Wall Street, Matthew Arnold’s poem Dover Beach and more. And be sure and stick around after the show (or at least the part with Andy and P.J. for a rare conversation with just Rob and Peter (aka The Founders).

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  1. Patrick McClure Coolidge
    Patrick McClure
    @Patrickb63

    So every podcast has to attack the President.  The Flagship podcast has sadly become a one-note band.

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  2. Fred Hadra Podcaster
    Fred Hadra
    @FredHadra

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):
    So every podcast has to attack the President. The Flagship podcast has sadly become a one-note band.

    Last week: VDH

    Week before that: Scott Adams

    Week before that: Larry Kudlow as co-host.

    Note sure that adds up to this show having become a “one-note band.”

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  3. Basil Fawlty Member
    Basil Fawlty
    @BasilFawlty

    Fred Hadra (View Comment):

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):
    So every podcast has to attack the President. The Flagship podcast has sadly become a one-note band.

    Last week: VDH

    Week before that: Scott Adams

    Week before that: Larry Kudlow as co-host.

    Note sure that adds up to this show having become a “one-note band.”

    If only Rob could have participated . . .

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  4. Functionary Thatcher
    Functionary
    @Functionary

    The referral to American Consequences was worth the price of admission.  Wow!  What a great magazine.  And its free.  Go there right now!

    PJ writes such funny stuff — funny because it’s true.

    “As far as I’m concerned, what Apple, Google, and especially Facebook sell are annoyance, noise, and distraction. I’ve got kids and dogs. Annoyance, noise, and distraction are unlimited free goods at my house.
    I don’t want to see photos of the adorable grandchildren of everyone I’ve ever met and videos of the cute things their cats do. Even less do I want to hear about the world’s dullest experiences and most banal thoughts – which people save up for their Facebook postings. If Facebook wants to make money from me, I’ll pay the website handsomely to go the hell away.”

    The podcast was a joy to listen to. But I must say I was disappointed WRT the Arpaio pardon discussion — all four of those elderly wits focused only on the personal and political aspects of “Sheriff Joe’s” impending pardon; what about the legal issues?! He wasn’t convicted of being an odious man (he is, as Jon Gabriel convincingly argues in The Conservatarians  podcast). He was convicted of violating a court order to stop profiling Hispanics. But all this discussion in the flagship podcast about his general nastiness, and the political implications of Trump’s imminent decision to pardon him is not relevant.

    Jon argues that a good case can be made that the judge was not being political, but was appropriately applying the law in convicting him and in denying him his constitutional right to a jury trial.  But those are the proper questions, and should have been the focus of the discussion.

    Fortunately, Peter Robinson followed up later with a good post on those questions. I think he had a nagging feeling that the proper application of law is the issue; not whether “Sheriff Joe” is a good guy, or what Trump’s base needs to satisfy its passions. Although those questions are interesting, that’s not how we should be evaluating the decision to pardon.

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  5. Reldim Inactive
    Reldim
    @Reldim

    Doesn’t the NR Cruise set sail on August 31st? Or did Lileks decide to get to Southhampton by taking the westbound voyage on the QM2?

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  6. John Hendrix Thatcher
    John Hendrix
    @JohnHendrix

    Guys: this was one funny podcast. Even by Ricochet Flagship podcast standards.

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  7. John Hendrix Thatcher
    John Hendrix
    @JohnHendrix

    Functionary (View Comment):
    ly, Peter Robinson followed up later with a good post on those questions. I think he had a nagging feeling that the proper

    Functionary (View Comment):
    The referral to American Consequences was worth the price of admission. Wow! What a great magazine. And its free. Go there right now!

    PJ writes such funny stuff — funny because it’s true.

    “As far as I’m concerned, what Apple, Google, and especially Facebook sell are annoyance, noise, and distraction. I’ve got kids and dogs. Annoyance, noise, and distraction are unlimited free goods at my house.
    I don’t want to see photos of the adorable grandchildren of everyone I’ve ever met and videos of the cute things their cats do. Even less do I want to hear about the world’s dullest experiences and most banal thoughts – which people save up for their Facebook postings. If Facebook wants to make money from me, I’ll pay the website handsomely to go the hell away.”

    The podcast was a joy to listen to. But I must say I was disappointed WRT the Arpaio pardon discussion — all four of those elderly wits focused only on the personal and political aspects of “Sheriff Joe’s” impending pardon; what about the legal issues?! He wasn’t convicted of being an odious man (he is, as Jon Gabriel convincingly argues in The Conservatarians podcast). He was convicted of violating a court order to stop profiling Hispanics. But all this discussion in the flagship podcast about his general nastiness, and the political implications of Trump’s imminent decision to pardon him is not relevant.

    Jon argues that a good case can be made that the judge was not being political, but was appropriately applying the law in convicting him and in denying him his constitutional right to a jury trial. But those are the proper questions, and should have been the focus of the discussion.

    Fortunately, Peter Robinson followed up later with a good post on those questions. I think he had a nagging feeling that the proper application of law is the issue; not whether “Sheriff Joe” is a good guy, or what Trump’s base needs to satisfy its passions. Although those questions are interesting, that’s not how we should be evaluating the decision to pardon.

    I wish I could give this post more than one ‘like’.

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  8. Constantinus Magnus Coolidge
    Constantinus Magnus
    @ConstantinusMagnus

    Hmmmm.

    What doesn’t fit in this progression of Ricochet Membership levels, as discussed in this podcast?

    Ronald Reagan – Margaret Thatcher – Calvin Coolidge – Abraham Lincoln – Jon Gabriel (!)

    This is why we got Trump.

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  9. CliffTOP Inactive
    CliffTOP
    @CliffTOP

    Gents,

    Some tough love here…  that was the worst Ricochet Podcast I’ve ever heard.

    First, four speakers is too much.  Second, when I’m looking for cutting-edge curmudgeonly insights and perspectives, I just call my grandfather.  But from Ricochet I expect more.

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  10. ToryWarWriter Thatcher
    ToryWarWriter
    @ToryWarWriter

    I first heard of the return of Squeegee kids to New York in the pages of National Review within a week of DeBlassio’s election as mayor.  So the fact that people are just noticing now…

     

     

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  11. ToryWarWriter Thatcher
    ToryWarWriter
    @ToryWarWriter

    I want to congratulate the podcast and Rob Long for listening to the audience, and putting the Trump criticism at the end where the Trump people asked them to.

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  12. Annegeles Reagan
    Annegeles
    @Annegeles

    As far as I can tell from the website, Burning Man isn’t free.  Tickets range from $425 – $1,200, plus a vehicle fee.    But they do have subsidized tickets for low income people……….

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  13. Lucy Elwood Member
    Lucy Elwood
    @LucyElwood

    Pretty much as soon as they began to discuss politics, PJ O’Rourke said that Sherriff Arpaio was like a Nazi, that Trump was psychotic and ruled by an organ lower than his gut (meaning his male member), and that Trump’s base consists of 68 people.  Andrew Ferguson and Rob joined in, and all on the podcast had themselves a good laugh. They found themselves hilarious.

    O’Rourke should have been introduced as someone who endorsed Hillary — that would have set up the Trump-bashing more forthrightly.

    Like O’Rourke, I am in New Hampshire; there are indeed a whole bunch of “flinty New Englanders” in my rural part of the state. Many voted for Trump; more than a few — more than 68 — still have Trump signs in their yard.

    More than 90 percent of the GOP voted for Trump, but Ricochet is working hard to be the go-to site for the 10 percent who didn’t. For that minority, the vicious contempt and name-calling hurled at Trump and his “68” supporters will be music to their ears. Not to me. If I want to be insulted and listen to Trump be called names, I can go about 500 other places for that. Why pay to listen to it on Ricochet?

    • #13
  14. LNBE Inactive
    LNBE
    @LNBE

    Hi guys. I’ve explicitly thrown money at Ricochet so I could come here and say — I love the podcast, but some of the old man humor was pretty dated and cringey. Women can’t make up their minds! Hahahhaaa, fresh hot takes, there. :|

    Love the podcast. Very grateful for Rob Long’s perspective and Peter Robinson’s Reagan cred. And James Lilek’s segues. Missed those this week.

    • #14
  15. LNBE Inactive
    LNBE
    @LNBE

    (also, thrilled to hear the word “antinomianism”.)

    • #15
  16. Basil Fawlty Member
    Basil Fawlty
    @BasilFawlty

    Lucy Elwood (View Comment):
    Pretty much as soon as they began to discuss politics, PJ O’Rourke said that Sherriff Arpaio was like a Nazi, that Trump was psychotic and ruled by an organ lower than his gut (meaning his male member), and that Trump’s base consists of 68 people. Andrew Ferguson and Rob joined in, and all on the podcast had themselves a good laugh. They found themselves hilarious.

    This was when I stopped listening.

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  17. Z in MT Member
    Z in MT
    @ZinMT

    Lucy Elwood (View Comment):
    O’Rourke should have been introduced as someone who endorsed Hillary — that would have set up the Trump-bashing more forthrightly.

    This is all you need to know about PJ O’Rourke. PJ has always been the Acela corridor elitist’s comedy relief. His attack on Sheriff Joe is just his barking seal act to please his audience.

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  18. Lucy Elwood Member
    Lucy Elwood
    @LucyElwood

    p.s. It’s fine with me that Ricochet has lots of ardent anti-Trumpers, but I think the podcasts should be more balanced — more lean-Trump or pro-Trump podcasts to balance out the anti-Trump ones. As it stands, the anti-Trump podcasts greatly outnumber the others. Another afterthought: I did not start out as a Trump supporter. But the media hysteria and the double standard and the ongoing Trump derangement, including from plenty of “thought leaders” on the right, have totally infuriated me and made me more of a Trump supporter than I was in November 2016.

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  19. Basil Fawlty Member
    Basil Fawlty
    @BasilFawlty

    Lucy Elwood (View Comment):
    p.s. It’s fine with me that Ricochet has lots of ardent anti-Trumpers, but I think the podcasts should be more balanced — more lean-Trump or pro-Trump podcasts to balance out the anti-Trump ones. As it stands, the anti-Trump podcasts greatly outnumber the others. Another afterthought: I did not start out as a Trump supporter. But the media hysteria and the double standard and the ongoing Trump derangement, including from plenty of “thought leaders” on the right, have totally infuriated me and made me more of a Trump supporter than I was in November 2016.

    My feeling, too.  And I miss the old podcast days when someone like Angelo Codevilla could freak out Rob by mentioning anal sex during a discussion of SSM. Those were the days, my friend.

    • #19
  20. Rightfromthestart Coolidge
    Rightfromthestart
    @Rightfromthestart

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Lucy Elwood (View Comment):
    Pretty much as soon as they began to discuss politics, PJ O’Rourke said that Sherriff Arpaio was like a Nazi, that Trump was psychotic and ruled by an organ lower than his gut (meaning his male member), and that Trump’s base consists of 68 people. Andrew Ferguson and Rob joined in, and all on the podcast had themselves a good laugh. They found themselves hilarious.

    I didn’t stop at that point but I was trying to figure out how they could be so utterly clueless as to the size and composition of Trump’s base and then it hit me , I’ll  every one is a religious follower of the Bible of the New York Times, which, to this day, after how many condemnations, is still insisting that Trump ‘refused’ to condemn Nazis.

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  21. Pepe LePew Inactive
    Pepe LePew
    @PepeLePew

    It’s useful to go back to the 19th century and earlier reflections on a feeling the world has lost its faith and is chaotic. We now have confused armies fighting—the Antifa and the neo-Nazis…and conservatives among themselves.  There is a loss of faith among conservatives in their principles, for example the rule of law.  In all the disgust with Trump’s statements, there should be mention of Senator Marco Rubio’s tweets, which in part state “When entire movement built on anger & hatred, it justifies & ultimately leads to violence against them.”  That sounds like a defense of mob action.  If Senator Rubio believes mob violence is justified, then if he were a contemporary of Matthew Arnold would he have found lynch mobs to be justified?  The reaction to Trump is the  greatest danger to conservatives.  Conservatives need to sit down and think about how they respond to Trump.  They failed to thoughtfully engage with Trump during the primary. For example, I never heard anyone discuss Trump’s books, interviews and comments on politics made prior to the campaign.  Now we begin to see those, such as the one where he discussed North Korea.  Wouldn’t a disciplined approach to Trump then have possibly resulted in a different view of him by the voters, maybe brought a different outcome? Well, it’s not too late to give up on the emotional responses that make senators sound as though they’d have supported lynch mobs.

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  22. Eustace C. Scrubb Member
    Eustace C. Scrubb
    @EustaceCScrubb

    Peter Coyote is the government agent in E.T.

    All time segue by @roblong – The Great Courses: Better Than Blowing Yourself Up.

    As for Bob Hope as a hippie:

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  23. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    I enjoyed it, gentlemen. I take people for who they are and expect that some things are baked into the cake by now.

    Rob, I love your segues. You are the Terminator of seguists. James has nothing on you.

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  24. Patrick McClure Coolidge
    Patrick McClure
    @Patrickb63

    Lucy Elwood (View Comment):
    p.s. It’s fine with me that Ricochet has lots of ardent anti-Trumpers, but I think the podcasts should be more balanced — more lean-Trump or pro-Trump podcasts to balance out the anti-Trump ones. As it stands, the anti-Trump podcasts greatly outnumber the others. Another afterthought: I did not start out as a Trump supporter. But the media hysteria and the double standard and the ongoing Trump derangement, including from plenty of “thought leaders” on the right, have totally infuriated me and made me more of a Trump supporter than I was in November 2016.

    This is what has happened to me also.  he was my 17th choice among Republicans.  But now I like him better than I did in November.

    Lucy Elwood (View Comment):
    Pretty much as soon as they began to discuss politics, PJ O’Rourke said that Sherriff Arpaio was like a Nazi, that Trump was psychotic and ruled by an organ lower than his gut (meaning his male member), and that Trump’s base consists of 68 people. Andrew Ferguson and Rob joined in, and all on the podcast had themselves a good laugh. They found themselves hilarious.

    Yeah, me too.  The Podcast has had some people whom they pass off as pro-Trump. As Fred pointed out:

    Fred Hadra (View Comment):
    Last week: VDH

    Week before that: Scott Adams

    Week before that: Larry Kudlow as co-host.

    Note sure that adds up to this show having become a “one-note band.”

    But all three of these persons are less pro-Trump and more anti-Hillary.  Or in the case of Scott Adams, more pro-look-how-smart-I,-Scott-Adams,-was-and-you-weren’t.

    Overall the best the podcast has done is have grudging Trump supporters on.

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  25. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):
    But all three of these persons are less pro-Trump and more anti-Hillary. Or in the case of Scott Adams, more pro-look-how-smart-I,-Scott-Adams,-was-and-you-weren’t.

    Overall the best the podcast has done is have grudging Trump supporters on.

    For the record, we do political commentary and conversation, not hagiography. If you seriously think that Victor Davis Hanson, Scott Adams, and Larry Kudlow are somehow just “grudging” Trump supporters, then you should probably go find Jeffery Lord or Kayleigh McEnany’s podcast.

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  26. Patrick McClure Coolidge
    Patrick McClure
    @Patrickb63

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):
    But all three of these persons are less pro-Trump and more anti-Hillary. Or in the case of Scott Adams, more pro-look-how-smart-I,-Scott-Adams,-was-and-you-weren’t.

    Overall the best the podcast has done is have grudging Trump supporters on.

    For the record, we do political commentary and conversation, not hagiography. If you seriously think that Victor Davis Hanson, Scott Adams, and Larry Kudlow are somehow just “grudging” Trump supporters, then you should probably go find Jeffery Lord or Kayleigh McEnany’s podcast.

    Are you inviting me not to listen to, or comment on, The Flagship Podcast?  What membership tier does being asked not to listen or comment belong in?   Do we pay for that one, or do we get a refund for sacrificing the purchased privilege to listen and comment?  Perhaps reluctant is better than grudging in describing what is called pro-Trump, that I’ll grant.   But I didn’t know that if I didn’t tug my forelock and ask for permission to have my own opinion regarding the guests my betters have invited, I’d be told to listen to something else.

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  27. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):
    Are you inviting me not to listen to, or comment on, The Flagship Podcast? What membership tier does being asked not to listen or comment belong in? Do we pay for that one, or do we get a refund for sacrificing the purchased privilege to listen and comment? Perhaps reluctant is better than grudging in describing what is called pro-Trump, that I’ll grant. But I didn’t know that if I didn’t tug my forelock and ask for permission to have my own opinion regarding the guests my betters have invited, I’d be told to listen to something else.

    Never said anything about your ability or right to comment on what ever you want. But you seem to be troubled by hearing any commentary of the President that isn’t “he’s doing great!” We don’t do that, which is why I suggested seeking out podcasts that might be closer to your interests.

    Donald Trump is the President, not a deity and he’s not above criticism. Hanson, Adams, and Kudlow are not “reluctant” supporters of the President. But they’re not sycophants either. Which is exactly why we book them.

     

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  28. Basil Fawlty Member
    Basil Fawlty
    @BasilFawlty

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    Donald Trump is the President, not a deity and he’s not above criticism. Hanson, Adams, and Kudlow are not “reluctant” supporters of the President. But they’re not sycophants either. Which is exactly why we book them.

    I know. But when Rob absents himself when the three Trump supporters you mention are guests and then returns with vigah when the O’Ferguson twins are featured, I think it fair to conclude that he’s happier interacting with the anti-Trump crowd than with the pro-Trump crowd.

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  29. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    I know. But when Rob absents himself when the three Trump supporters you mention are guests and then returns with vigah when the O’Ferguson twins are featured, I think it fair to conclude that he’s happier interacting with the anti-Trump crowd than with the pro-Trump crowd.

    First off, all throughout the election, we put Rob on with Trump supporters many, many times. We (and he) do not shy away from that. Second, you are connecting two unafilliated events. With Lileks off this past week (and next), it’s very hard to find TWO guest hosts. So I asked a favor of Rob and Peter and we did a rare Saturday show this week. P.J. had been on our list for a while to promote his new website (that Andy writes for), so it was just kismet that it came together in this way.

    And now you know the rest of the story….

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  30. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    And now you know the rest of the story….

    Some folks see conspiracies everywhere. We all know it’s really a plot by the Antarans to discredit Trump and put in their lizardman candidate. Or was Trump the lizardman candidate? I always have trouble keeping track.

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