Our [EXPLETIVE DELETED] Cities

New York! San Francisco! Our once grand cities are fast turning into… Yikesvilles. To help our hosts work up a diagnosis, The Ricochet Podcast needs the great Victor Davis Hanson. The quartet talk universities; they consider the unique top-down nature of this new wave of revolution, and discuss whether the country is in graver danger than it was in those dreadful 1970s.

Then James, Peter and Rob muse on the recently discarded standards of public decency vis-à-vis debased internet content and the all-to-common swear word.

 

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  • Sound clip is from New York Governor Kathy Hochul’s remarks after the seeing the video of Jordan Neely’s death

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  1. namlliT noD Member
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    @DonTillman

    kedavis (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    The US was the number one nation in manufacturing output until pretty recently, around 2010, when China had ramped up enough to overtake us. And with the advances in robotics and logistics automation, and the fact that robots in China aren’t cheaper than robots in the US, I think we’re seeing a potential manufacturing renaissance.

    Don’t the robots in the US come from China?

    (I’m only familiar with robots for electronics manufacturing, but…)

    Manufacturing robots come from all over; US, Japan, Germany,…

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  2. kedavis Coolidge
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    The US was the number one nation in manufacturing output until pretty recently, around 2010, when China had ramped up enough to overtake us. And with the advances in robotics and logistics automation, and the fact that robots in China aren’t cheaper than robots in the US, I think we’re seeing a potential manufacturing renaissance.

    Don’t the robots in the US come from China?

    (I’m only familiar with robots for electronics manufacturing, but…)

    Manufacturing robots come from all over; US, Japan, Germany,…

    Okay, but, even for robots “assembled” in other locations, how many of them get the parts/materials from China?

    Seems to be pretty similar to prescription medications, and other things.

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  3. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

    kedavis (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    The US was the number one nation in manufacturing output until pretty recently, around 2010, when China had ramped up enough to overtake us. And with the advances in robotics and logistics automation, and the fact that robots in China aren’t cheaper than robots in the US, I think we’re seeing a potential manufacturing renaissance.

    Don’t the robots in the US come from China?

    (I’m only familiar with robots for electronics manufacturing, but…)

    Manufacturing robots come from all over; US, Japan, Germany,…

    Okay, but, even for robots “assembled” in other locations, how many of them get the parts/materials from China?

    (I’m only familiar with electronic components, but…)

    Electronic components come from all over; US, Malaysia, Japan, Taiwan, Korea,…

    • #33
  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    The US was the number one nation in manufacturing output until pretty recently, around 2010, when China had ramped up enough to overtake us. And with the advances in robotics and logistics automation, and the fact that robots in China aren’t cheaper than robots in the US, I think we’re seeing a potential manufacturing renaissance.

    Don’t the robots in the US come from China?

    (I’m only familiar with robots for electronics manufacturing, but…)

    Manufacturing robots come from all over; US, Japan, Germany,…

    Okay, but, even for robots “assembled” in other locations, how many of them get the parts/materials from China?

    (I’m only familiar with electronic components, but…)

    Electronic components come from all over; US, Malaysia, Japan, Taiwan, Korea,…

    Chips are made in a few locations, although still China is responsible for a lot of them – if chips were commonly made in the US, US car makers wouldn’t have had big problems with shortages – and even for the final production of chips in the US and other countries, the silicon wafers used to produce them aren’t necessarily made there, and even the raw materials for making the silicon wafers to start with comes mostly from China.

    • #34
  5. RufusRJones Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    VDH is completely on point with this podcast from a few days ago:

     

    This is a page and a half if you print it out

    https://mises.org/wire/were-living-age-capital-consumption

     

     

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  6. BDB Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    VDH is completely on point with this podcast from a few days ago:

    This is a page and a half if you print it out

    https://mises.org/wire/were-living-age-capital-consumption

    The capital being consumed is not just money, either.  Cultural, infrastructure, reputation, intelligence, population — the list goes on.  These are all being frittered away, and not only by accident.  We are being reduced.

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  7. Miffed White Male Member
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Unspoken is that in 1950 America was still the main production nation due to the world being bombed.

    But US car production increased up through the 80’s, during the time Detroit went seriously downhill.

    And a substantial fraction of the US car production moved to neighboring cities (Dearborn, Windsor, Dundee, Trenton, Warren) and cities in other states.

     

    My point is still valid about a yearning to return to 1950s anywhere.

    But if you want to ignore it and pretend that we can return to the way things were when we produced half of the worlds products go right ahead.

    I don’t yearn for the 1950s, I just wish our largest and most important cities hadn’t become post-apocalyptic hellscapes.

    The US was the number one nation in manufacturing output until pretty recently, around 2010, when China had ramped up enough to overtake us. And with the advances in robotics and logistics automation, and the fact that robots in China aren’t cheaper than robots in the US, I think we’re seeing a potential manufacturing renaissance.

    I just this weekend started reading “The Box” by Marc Levinson about the impact of the shipping container on the world.  I’m only a few chapters in but it’s fascinating what the impact of turning transportation from a labor intensive significant cost of production to essentially nil had on the economy.  

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    VDH is completely on point with this podcast from a few days ago:

    This is a page and a half if you print it out

    https://mises.org/wire/were-living-age-capital-consumption

    The capital being consumed is not just money, either. Cultural, infrastructure, reputation, intelligence, population — the list goes on. These are all being frittered away, and not only by accident. We are being reduced.

    I love that article. The only people that don’t agree with it are the people that make money off of the government.

    • #38
  9. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

    kedavis (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Electronic components come from all over; US, Malaysia, Japan, Taiwan, Korea,…

    Chips are made in a few locations, although still China is responsible for a lot of them – if chips were commonly made in the US, US car makers wouldn’t have had big problems with shortages – and even for the final production of chips in the US and other countries, the silicon wafers used to produce them aren’t necessarily made there, and even the raw materials for making the silicon wafers to start with comes mostly from China.

    The fundamental problem with manufacturing is that if you don’t have all the necessary components in stock, you’re stuck, you can’t ship.

    So yes indeed, if more components were manufactured in the US, things would be a lot better.

    • #39
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